2019/20 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & Alternates thread

Samurina said:
wait what french man if Ponsart wd from France would replace him?
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They might choose not to replace him with a French skater - there's nothing in the rules that's says they have to - but if they do it would most likely be Luc Economides who was third at Masters. It can't be Adam Siao Him Fa because he competed in the JGP again this year.
 
Skate Talker said:
Only 6 countries for the 12 spots - better hope the solo USA & SUI don't drop out too late to be replaced or no WS points?
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It never stopped skaters from getting points at GPF or JGPF.

If I'm reading the documents correctly, the minimum numbers from one nation are for senior internationals and, now, Challenger Series, where there aren't country- or skater-specific qualifications, like at ISU Championships and GP/JGP.
 
Happy for Marin for the second GP invite - but is she ready?! The way she skated at the CS last last week is like she wasn't good and she didn't care.
 
clairecloutier said:
Cain-Gribble/LeDuc are now the first- or second-ranked team at both Skate America and IdF, based on world standings, current season's-best-scores, and Worlds results last year (although obviously, not all teams competed at Worlds). Could we see them at the Grand Prix Final?

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Ummm, hoping not to get too far ahead of myself, but I'll take a wild guess and say yes. Also, even without the top-seed withdrawals, C-G/LD still looked to have opportunities to make a lot of noise at both events, especially with how they have performed in the early season going at their Challenger event. They have clearly improved to next-level contending status. They are not only 'knocking on the door,' they have been striding through with self-belief, steady training results, and positive goal-setting.

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RoseRed said:
This is incorrect. Peng/Jin are at SA, and they were 4th at Worlds (~22 points higher than Ashley and Tim at 9th). They are also higher in WS.
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True, and P/J have great programs this season. The only thing is that until they live up to those programs and consistently hit home runs, I don't see that they have yet fully earned their top-dog rating and automatic deference. Obviously, P/J's tech skills are more explosive than Ash/Tim's. But since Worlds, A&T have improved in all aspects of their skating, and are looking strong, albeit they still have to work on aceing all of their jump difficulty with no doubts. Receiving positive rep from the judges at the U.S. International Classic comp, is huge. Ever since they partnered, A&T have garnered a reputation for steady improvements and for the most part, delivering under pressure.

It will be a matter of who brings their absolute A game to the competitive arena, as we saw that P/J weren't working on all cylinders at U.S. International Classic vs Ash/Tim. But we'll see how the fur flies on the GP.
 
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Marco said:
Happy for Marin for the second GP invite - but is she ready?! The way she skated at the CS last last week is like she wasn't good and she didn't care.
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Marin never seemed like she didn't care at NHT to me 🤷‍♂️
But I agree, she was pretty much hit and miss, in practice and in competition.
So, well, there is still some time left, so I hope her team can still fix some things.
 
Of the replacement pairs, Pfund/Santillan and Contarino/Pauletti have not reached the 140 min score for the GP. Matte/Ferland, who had a SB of 121 last year, increased way up to 152 for USFS Intl so they should be ok for the sub list now.

All men, ladies and dance teams on the top 10 replacement lists we compiled here are well above the min score.
 
Orm Irian said:
They might choose not to replace him with a French skater - there's nothing in the rules that's says they have to - but if they do it would most likely be Luc Economides who was third at Masters. It can't be Adam Siao Him Fa because he competed in the JGP again this year.
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There was an open spot last year and Didier passed on Economides. Really cruel for someone who trains nearby with Amodio.
 
"The alternate list needs to be worked through in ranking order for the top 75 ranked Skaters/Couples according to their Season’s Best. All Skaters/Couples of the alternate list will be grouped in top ranked groups of ten (10) Skaters, out of which the respective Organizing ISU Member may pick one Skater/Couple for invitation. Skaters/Couples, who place first in any of the ISU Challenger Series events for 2019/20 and can prove to have skated the minimum Technical score as mentioned in paragraph 2.3, will be added to the alternate list, bottom ranked according to their scores."

So I have always found the wording to be VERY murky on this rule, but it seems that by winning Nebelhorn, Ignatov was able to be placed in the alternate list. Its the "bottom ranked according to their scores" wording which is wildly confusing and seems to allow for a variety of interpretations. But, whatever. Ignatov is a worthy competitor here at any rate.

When considering the winners of the other singles challenger series events (Hanyu, Jin, Tanaka, Aliev, Kihira, Shcherbakova, Miyahara, Trusova, Bell), all of them have GP spots already, so he was the only winner without spots until recently. FWIW, I'd rather see the CS winners like Ignatov get the spots than someone who was 40th best last year and might even be at a much lower level this year.
 
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Wait i am confused did Ting Cui drop our of INF and NHK
Because i looked under INF entries and she said she was still competing there on ISU website
 
Samurina said:
Wait i am confused did Ting Cui drop our of INF and NHK
Because i looked under INF entries and she said she was still competing there on ISU website
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She announced on Instagram that she's withdrawing. It hasn't been updated on the ISU pages yet.
 
haribobo said:
So I have always found the wording to be VERY murky on this rule, but it seems that by winning Nebelhorn, Ignatov was able to be placed in the alternate list. Its the "bottom ranked according to their scores" wording which is wildly confusing and seems to allow for a variety of interpretations.
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Essentially, this confirms that winning a Challenger is still a way onto the top 10 alternate list. It is good to know that winning a CS can still provide a pathway for those athletes who come on super strong during a preseason to be selected--as well as to know that at least Japan is open to inviting athletes that are having a great preseason.
 
peibeck said:
This is the replacement for Z/E?

I'm not sure if I should be :mitchell: or :rofl:
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The replacement was always going to be someone much weaker than Z/E since they were a seeded team, but I don't think USFS tried to pick an obviously weak team in comparison to who else was available.

Here's the list of who was available from @Sylvia's earlier list.


PAIRS (next 10 on last season's ISU SB list):

PRK RYOM & KIM (CoC; did they decline IdF?) ISU SB 16--when Jones/Boyadji were chosen, it looked like Ryom/Kim were being selected for IDF so they likely were not available
AUS ALEXANDROVSKAYA & WINDSOR (SA) ISU SB 26 already there
CAN RUEST & WOLFE (SA) ISU SB 29 already there
USA LOCKLEY & PROCHNOW (none) ISU SB 33 American, couldn't be selected because already 3 USA teams
USA LU & MITROFANOV (RC) ISU SB 35 American, not able to be selected
RUS KUDRIAVTSEVA & SPIRIDONOV (none) ISU SB 36 available
CRO PETRANOVIC & SOUZA-KORDEIRU (none) ISU SB 37 available
GBR JONES & BOYADJI (none; are they competing this season?) ISU SB 38 chosen
USA DIGERNESS & NEUDECKER (none) ISU SB 39 American, not able to be selected
USA PFUND & SANTILLAN (none) ISU SB 47, American not able to be selected

Would you feel better if Kudriavtseva/Spiridonov or Petranovic/Souza-Kordeiru were chosen?
 
her grace said:
The replacement was always going to be someone much weaker than Z/E since they were a seeded team, but I don't think USFS tried to pick an obviously weak team in comparison to who else was available.

Here's the list of who was available from @Sylvia's earlier list.


PAIRS (next 10 on last season's ISU SB list):

PRK RYOM & KIM (CoC; did they decline IdF?) ISU SB 16--when Jones/Boyadji were chosen, it looked like Ryom/Kim were being selected for IDF so they likely were not available
AUS ALEXANDROVSKAYA & WINDSOR (SA) ISU SB 26 already there
CAN RUEST & WOLFE (SA) ISU SB 29 already there
USA LOCKLEY & PROCHNOW (none) ISU SB 33 American, couldn't be selected because already 3 USA teams
USA LU & MITROFANOV (RC) ISU SB 35 American, not able to be selected
RUS KUDRIAVTSEVA & SPIRIDONOV (none) ISU SB 36 available
CRO PETRANOVIC & SOUZA-KORDEIRU (none) ISU SB 37 available
GBR JONES & BOYADJI (none; are they competing this season?) ISU SB 38 chosen
USA DIGERNESS & NEUDECKER (none) ISU SB 39 American, not able to be selected
USA PFUND & SANTILLAN (none) ISU SB 47, American not able to be selected

Would you feel better if Kudriavtseva/Spiridonov or Petranovic/Souza-Kordeiru were chosen?
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I came to the same result last weekend when I examined this same exact list.... I thought well maybe they choose the Brits (if they were even still competing, even @Sylvia wasnt sure)

SO many teams were either already competing at SkAm or were Americans and not eligible to be selected.
 
her grace said:
PRK RYOM & KIM (CoC; did they decline IdF?) ISU SB 16--when Jones/Boyadji were chosen, it looked like Ryom/Kim were being selected for IDF so they likely were not available
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North Koreans also not likely to get a visa to compete in the US. Isn’t that why they missed Four Continents last season?
 
ISU grids are updated today (Oct. 10) with the withdrawals of Ting Cui (IdF & NHK) and McNamara/Carpenter (IdF) due to injury (eta link to USFS' press release): https://www.usfsa.org/story.aspx?id=92732&type=media

Ladies: https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...1487-entries-ladies-2019-20-all-6-events/file

Ice Dance (Turkkila/Versluis' vacated RC spot still open): https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...4-entries-ice-dance-2019-20-all-6-events/file

Julian Yee was added yesterday to Skate Canada on Men's grid (eta: Makar Ignatov's name has not appeared there yet for NHK): https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...4/21486-entries-men-2019-20-all-6-events/file

Ruest/Wolfe were added on Oct. 7 to IdF on the Pairs grid: https://isu.org/docman-documents-li...21485-entries-pairs-2019-20-all-6-events/file
 
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