2018-2019 Canadian Ladies News and Updates!

Any word yet on whether or not Sr Ladies SPs and LPs will be streamed?

I’ve been sorting through the following thread & haven’t yet found a link:
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/tsn-broadcast-dates-and-times.105081/

In the past, only groups 1 and 2 for the SP and LP have been streamed. Basically, anything that’s getting broadcast on tv will not be streamed. I think they might have made an exception last year and streamed group 3 of the women’s SP? I seem to remember that. But that’s definitely the exception, not the rule.
 
They streamed the entire ladies short last year live as it wasn't going to be on TV live. Not sure the schedule this year and it still says "TBD" on the Skate Canada site.
 
CBC article about Gabby Daleman.
Daleman is @ TCC/Orser Team for almost 4 years.

If such condition/state of mind/skating situation/body image/injuries (as Daleman's) were described by one of Tutberidze's skater, the blame would certainly be linked to Eteri and discussed to no end, even if "some problems" started back in childhood. So the question, then, should be, where was "Team Orser" in Daleman's case.
 
Daleman is @ TCC/Orser Team for almost 4 years.

If such condition/state of mind/skating situation/body image/injuries (as Daleman's) were described by one of Tutberidze's skater, the blame would certainly be linked to Eteri and discussed to no end, even if "some problems" started back in childhood. So the question, then, should be, where was "Team Orser" in Daleman's case.


I don't think you can tell from this article that "Team Orser" wasn't there.

From the article:

Daleman kept the slip to herself.
Once on the ice, she tells coach Lee Barkell that she can't see. Her vision is completely blurred, and Lee says 'get off the ice.'"
 
Thanks @Habs . It sounds like the depression came from the concussion which isn’t out of ordinary. It started in fall 2018. She was off the ice fairly quickly after. They said she was bullied at school, not at skating.
 
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It sounds like the depression came from the concussion which isn’t out of ordinary. It started in fall 2018. She was off the ice fairly quickly after. They said she was bullied at school, not at skating.

I think it’s more likely that the concussion exacerbated it. There was a clip shown at Skate Canada that was shot at High Performance Camp in early September where she was talking already about her anxiety and depression.

Post concussion symptoms are no joke (take it from someone still suffering set backs many years later). It sounds like she got the help that she needed though and took the necessary time off. Hope she takes care of herself now and in the future. Sport is not worth health in any way and it’s a long life after skating.
 
I know a few former elite athletes who actually developed mental health issues after concussions so can imagine if you already had some issues and then had a concussions it likely worsened. I wish there was more research on concussions and mental health issues. I know my own daughter who was a national athlete retired after multiple concussions and then developed some anxiety issues. Yet passed all the post concussion testing as it’s based in cognition testing and not on mental health testing. We need more research on this.
 
Re Rod Black - I am only bothered by him when he becomes too fixated on one specific athlete. Though he does have his obious favourites, nothing recently has come close to his Elvis obsession, thank goodness. In fact, these days I would gladly take 3 Rod Blacks if they would only just get rid of Brian Williams. He is totally unnecessary and obnoxious - and so obviously only there as a job perk.
 
Can I just say that Kaiya Ruiter, the new Novice Ladies champion and Canadian record holder (only 12 years old!), is just about the cutest darn thing I have ever seen. Congratulations to her :cheer2:
Oh my god, she is adorable. More importantly, she has style and personality on the ice and looks like she loves to skate.

The way things have been looking lately, if Daleman was out of the equation, that skate could probably have won the senior ladies title this year. :P
 
Can I just say that Kaiya Ruiter, the new Novice Ladies champion and Canadian record holder (only 12 years old!), is just about the cutest darn thing I have ever seen. Congratulations to her :cheer2:
She represents Alberta and her first name begins with K and has a weird unconventional spelling -- I think she'll do just fine, if history is anything to go by.
 
Can I just say that Kaiya Ruiter, the new Novice Ladies champion and Canadian record holder (only 12 years old!), is just about the cutest darn thing I have ever seen. Congratulations to her :cheer2:

I know isn’t she special? She actually reminds me of a young Gaby Daleman who was a little spitfire like that with big jumps really young.
 
I don't insist, but strongly suspect, that all the excitement and hoopla over "Big Star Med" coming to her rink, and all the attention around it, contributed to Daleman's "self-doubts". If i was her, and had her skating abilities, i would have stuck around and moved Med (or any foreign star skater coming to my rink) figuratively speaking "backstage" by out-skating her... I would not let a foreigner run me out of the rink.... So i hope Daleman is back and swinging, and brings back "Gladiator" with new power moves, and a steampunk gladiator costume... :EVILLE:
https://cdn-img-3.wanelo.com/p/374/b16/be2/a9a20b799d6ca33dcef01ef/x354-q80.jpg

I think that Gabbie is mature enough and grounded enough not to let Med's presence at the rink get to her.

Daleman is @ TCC/Orser Team for almost 4 years.

If such condition/state of mind/skating situation/body image/injuries (as Daleman's) were described by one of Tutberidze's skater, the blame would certainly be linked to Eteri and discussed to no end, even if "some problems" started back in childhood. So the question, then, should be, where was "Team Orser" in Daleman's case.

IDK that it would linked to Eteri.

IIRC, in the case of Lipniskaya, was her eating disorder not linked to Eteri because Eteri encouraged her to go on the powder diet and/or lose weight?

Just asking, I don't know.

I've never heard anything about team Orser pressuring skaters to lose weight - which does mean that they do not do so.

Gabbie's depression and anxiety may be rooted in part in her struggle with ADHD and a learning disability, and in having been bullied - then the concussion.

If a skater of Eteri had mental health issues and the same history and circumstances, I don't think those issues would be attributed to Eteri.
 
Gabby looked invincible last year at Nationals and Kaetlyn much more vulnerable, but that is not how the rest of the season played out. Hopefully Gabby can put the pressures behind her and just skate for the love of it, easier said than done. I sat right near Gabby's family last year and she definitely has great support. I am impressed with her mother's grasp of the priorities for her daughter. For Skate Canada, I wished Alaine a good free skate and she had one so - I am now wishing Alaine a great short and free skate. Wish I was there!
 
Daleman is @ TCC/Orser Team for almost 4 years.

If such condition/state of mind/skating situation/body image/injuries (as Daleman's) were described by one of Tutberidze's skater, the blame would certainly be linked to Eteri and discussed to no end, even if "some problems" started back in childhood. So the question, then, should be, where was "Team Orser" in Daleman's case.

So, I want to ask about this since you mentioned the topic.

I read frequently when Western fans criticize Tutberidze's training style as being conducive to injuries, body iamge problems, etc. Then Russian fans respond by saying this is unfair and overly critical, because in the Western World, Gold, Daleman, etc. all have serious body image and/or mental health problems. And perhaps the coach had something to do with this.

My take on this, is that Gold, Daleman, Wagner, and others talk openly about their mental health issues because there is less of a stigma to do so here. My hunch is there may be many Russian skaters with bad mental health who aren't talking about this as much (either they discuss the issue less or I miss it since I don't frequently read the Russian media). So I'm surprised that this consideration has not been discussed. Your thoughts? (With this said, I know Russian skaters give very frank, candid interviews and it seems the least "open" skaters are the East Asian skaters, on average.)
 
I've never heard anything about team Orser pressuring skaters to lose weight - which does mean that they do not do so.
Obviously it's not the same thing, but Doug Haw was the one who made comments about Tuktamysheva being overweight (despite being able to land 3As). I hope none of his skaters ever heard about that, because it clearly encourages a culture of unhealthy body image.
 
Obviously it's not the same thing, but Doug Haw was the one who made comments about Tuktamysheva being overweight (despite being able to land 3As). I hope none of his skaters ever heard about that, because it clearly encourages a culture of unhealthy body image.

IIRC his comment was to suggest if she lost X number of pounds (I forget the number but he said a number) the judges would likely look more favorably toward her because that's what they seem to want.

He wasn't representing his own opinion necessarily - just his interpretation of what the powers that be tend to favor.
 
IIRC his comment was to suggest if she lost X number of pounds (I forget the number but he said a number) the judges would likely look more favorably toward her because that's what they seem to want.

He wasn't representing his own opinion necessarily - just his interpretation of what the powers that be tend to favor.
He was absolutely representing his own opinion. The exact quote was "If I was that good and could do a triple axel, I would definitely drop 8-10 pounds, if I was her, because her component scores would go right up." He then proceeded to say she looked "heavy on the ice" and started waxing poetic about skaters with "perfect bodies". Disgusting. :mad:
 
He was absolutely representing his own opinion. The exact quote was "If I was that good and could do a triple axel, I would definitely drop 8-10 pounds, if I was her, because her component scores would go right up." He then proceeded to say she looked "heavy on the ice" and started waxing poetic about skaters with "perfect bodies". Disgusting. :mad:
That he said it, or that it might be true? I think Hawe's comments were wrong, and maybe he's just presenting his own thoughts on the matter, but given everything we've seen in the past number of years from various skaters in different countries regarding the pressures they felt to stay thin indicate that this is a problem in the sport. If athletes feel the pressure to be thin, if coaches apply that pressure, if federations are applying that pressure, it's probably because the judges are talking about it and rewarding skaters who have a particular body shape.
 
That he said it, or that it might be true? I think Hawe's comments were wrong, and maybe he's just presenting his own thoughts on the matter, but given everything we've seen in the past number of years from various skaters in different countries regarding the pressures they felt to stay thin indicate that this is a problem in the sport. If athletes feel the pressure to be thin, if coaches apply that pressure, if federations are applying that pressure, it's probably because the judges are talking about it and rewarding skaters who have a particular body shape.
Oh, I definitely think it is true, and I think that is even more disgusting than the fact that people in the sport like Haw continue to, if not support the idea (and I think he does with all his talk of "perfect bodies" and skaters looking "like Barbie and Ken"), at least perpetuate it with a kind of "Oh, that's just how it is in our sport" attitude.
 
That's such a shame about Pineault.

I couldn't be happier for Schumacher! Another skate like the challenge and I can't see her not making the podium here. I hope Skate Canada has a plan to send her to a senior international to get her minimums. Going to worlds as the third skater would be an opportunity too good to pass up!
 
That's such a shame about Pineault.

I couldn't be happier for Schumacher! Another skate like the challenge and I can't see her not making the podium here. I hope Skate Canada has a plan to send her to a senior international to get her minimums. Going to worlds as the third skater would be an opportunity too good to pass up!
I think they need her for Jr worlds though. Maybe 4CC and Jr Worlds?
 
Should Alison be in the top three she should be sent to Sr. Worlds. We need to have at least two skaters going who can land a 3/3 in the short. I think that SC should have made it clear at the start of the season that regardless of nationals placement, the top three who landed a clean 3/3 in the short would be sent to Worlds.
 
Kudos to Larkyn for that SP. With easier jumps, her TES was only 3 points off Gabby's, and she did everything with really good quality.

Also, though I hugely commend Gabby, I kind of think her 3lz should have gotten a <
 

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