I wonder if some skaters prefer to always do it the same way on a particular jump in order to have better muscle memory.
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Aceon6
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Some just have it as a habit from when they were younger. Once they develop real quads and glutes, they don’t need to swing their arms up, but they’re stuck with it.
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We've been told more than once that, if you learn your jumps that way, it's a hard habit to break. It sounds like most skaters are probably not going to be able to drop it overnight, even if they'd like to.
Interesting, does it make it easier when learning the jumps? I always thought that arms up was more difficult but a way to earn more points.
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IINM, raised arms are no longer a recognized feature for jumps, so a skater won't earn higher levels by using them.
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Aceon6
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Kids often swing their arms up naturally to get height. When it was rewarded, coaches went with it. But it’s a barrier to quick rotation so I don’t think it helps at all.
That makes total sense, I didn't realize that it was no longer rewarded by judges.
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You never know that’s it’s not rewarded by judges: they can pack a lot of inconsistency and off-the-books scoring in GOE.
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There was a period when one of the official bullet points for positive GOE on jump elements was "varied position in the air / delay in rotation."
It's not clear whether that was originally intended to refer to simple variations of air positions such as arm positions, as opposed to more full-body variations (as with delayed axels, split-flips, etc.). While that was on the books, many skaters did start including simple arm variations and were apparently rewarded for them in their GOEs, so de facto that did become a positive bullet point.
Some skaters apparently found that learning to jump with one or both arms overhead actually helped their jump consistency, so they started using those variations on all or most of their jumps and continued doing so even after the GOE guidelines were rewritten to remove that bullet point.
Which is different, in any case, from just "throwing" their arms up, maybe above shoulder height but not overhead, in an effort to hoist themselves up into the air in an uncontrolled way. That would not have been rewarded or have helped consistency.
The current, comparable bullet point is worded as "very good body position from take-off to landing." So that can reward either a standard air position or a variation, as long as it is performed with very good quality, not only in the air but also before and after.
Different individual judges might have personal variations in terms of how they interpret and apply these bullet points.
But it would be hard to argue, under the current wording, that lifting one or both arms should automatically deserve a reward.
It's not clear whether that was originally intended to refer to simple variations of air positions such as arm positions, as opposed to more full-body variations (as with delayed axels, split-flips, etc.). While that was on the books, many skaters did start including simple arm variations and were apparently rewarded for them in their GOEs, so de facto that did become a positive bullet point.
Some skaters apparently found that learning to jump with one or both arms overhead actually helped their jump consistency, so they started using those variations on all or most of their jumps and continued doing so even after the GOE guidelines were rewritten to remove that bullet point.
Which is different, in any case, from just "throwing" their arms up, maybe above shoulder height but not overhead, in an effort to hoist themselves up into the air in an uncontrolled way. That would not have been rewarded or have helped consistency.
The current, comparable bullet point is worded as "very good body position from take-off to landing." So that can reward either a standard air position or a variation, as long as it is performed with very good quality, not only in the air but also before and after.
Different individual judges might have personal variations in terms of how they interpret and apply these bullet points.
But it would be hard to argue, under the current wording, that lifting one or both arms should automatically deserve a reward.
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Do I remember correctly a skater, possibly Kerrigan, who could do a double and land with her hands on hips? Whoever it was I thought it was cool.
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She might have. What I remember more specifically was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtkTHjXx2g&t=2m32s, with hands next to her head.
And then there was this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYJwKs4kpk&t=1m40s
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Maybe, I remember it a little differently.I believe you're thinking of Jill Trenary. The jump is at about the 2:45 mark in this video.
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This is what I remember. Amazing to go from down low then up and into a jump. A coulple of the men could do this, I think.
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