The Dance Hall 13: When You Dance on the Ice and Your Feet Twizzle Twice, That's Amore

[marbri]

First look at Bashynska/Perron

Best RD music so far !( choreographed in France I believe so it is what it is lol). Finally some Nirvana and am just thankful they are not on the Senior international circuit where Rettstatt makes them change their music

https://x.com/kaiyabauerfan/status/1978995288325906590

 

[angi]

If the RD event at GP France is any indication of how the rest of the dance season is going to look like we are in for a wild ride

 

[PRlady]

Despite hating most of the music I’m again happy to be seeing the RD live in Milan. Thrills and chills!

 

[litenkyckling]

the egregious judging and tech calling here was perhaps the worst we've seen in quite some time

 

[Ice_dance_fan]

the egregious judging and tech calling here was perhaps the worst we've seen in quite some time

Chinese Nebelhorn wasn't better

 

[litenkyckling]

Chinese Nebelhorn wasn't better

I think when the 3 time European champions are receiving their lowest RD score since 2018 despite skating well and are being beaten by at least one team with poor edge quality then yeah this is even worse than Chinese Nebelhorn.

 

[angi]

I think when the 3 time European champions are receiving their lowest RD score since 2018 despite skating well and are being beaten by at least one team with poor edge quality then yeah this is even worse than Chinese Nebelhorn.

But did they skate that well? Aside from the midline, which I thought was really good, the rest felt far from their best to me. I think compared to some other teams, the score seems low (D/S especially), but inspecting the performance on its own, I didn't feel like they were missing that many points if I'm being honest.

 

[angi]

Charlene decided to call out the judges on social media, not sure this will end well for Guignard/Fabbri.

 

[manhn]

I never realized how darn danceable and catchy Nirvana music can be. I’m surprised not more NA men didn’t use this music. I’m also surprised that it got clearance.

 

[her grace]

Charlene decided to call out the judges on social media, not sure this will end well for Guignard/Fabbri.

It wasn’t going to end well anyway.

Now look at that IAM

 

[tony]

Charlene decided to call out the judges on social media, not sure this will end well for Guignard/Fabbri.

Just clarifying that she's reposting a story of someone else who called them out.
But anyways they need to withdraw from NHK and dump the RD. That's the only way they aren't sinking way down the standings this year.

And PCS for a top-rated skater or couple doesn't mean anything when the program is terrible.

 

[Debbie S]

Am I correctly seeing that the French judge placed G/F 2nd and FB/C 4th? Interesting....

 

[tony]

I will say though that since Charlene is reposting all of the commentary pointing out the judging (including from AnythingGOEs, who as far as I know have always taken the Jackie Wong "I'm unbiased... usually" approach), I have little hope that they will actually dump the program and start over. Yes, this panel may be stacked against them in terms of pushing IAM or whatever people may be thinking, but the program isn't good. And I'm one of the resident massive G/F fans here and have been for a long time. I wish someone in their camp had a real talk with them about what must be done.

 

[Karen-W]

I will say though that since Charlene is reposting all of the commentary pointing out the judging (including from AnythingGOEs, who as far as I know have always taken the Jackie Wong "I'm unbiased... usually" approach), I have little hope that they will actually dump the program and start over. Yes, this panel may be stacked against them in terms of pushing IAM or whatever people may be thinking, but the program isn't good. And I'm one of the resident massive G/F fans here and have been for a long time. I wish someone in their camp had a real talk with them about what must be done.

If they weren't willing to listen to the judges or anyone with any sense last season, I don't see them doing any differently this season, even with an Olympic medal on the line.

As it is, losing in the RD here to DavSmo should be a huge wake-up call to the FISG that their hopes for a TE bronze are in stark danger. Italy cannot afford to lose those points to Georgia in the TE RD and still expect to win bronze. You'd think the FISG would twist the arms of GuigFab and Barbara enough to go back to the drawing board with an Olympic medal potentially slipping out of their hands.

 

[kwanfan1818]

It’s almost as if Fusar-Poli wants to remain the only Olympic medalist for Italy in Ice Dance.

 

[morqet]

Shows the importance of getting out before the GP starts to have feedback. G/F were killed today in part by the PSt level 1 & knock-on effect on the GOE multiplier - they are losing about 2 points to the teams above them who were getting strong 2s or 3s. Did they have injury issues over the summer, because otherwise I don't understand why they came into this event cold when they knew it would be stacked.

 

[Andrea82]

The talk in Italian in the K&S was

Barbara: (can't understand because of voices over her)
Marco: 34 of components?
Barbara: well, with this jury
Charlene: are they joking?
Barbara: no, this is the reality

Am I correctly seeing that the French judge placed G/F 2nd and FB/C 4th? Interesting....

Yes.
In PCS she has 1) Fear/Gibson 2) FB/C and 3) G/F

Guignard/Fabbri were ranked 5th in PCS by Pandya of Great Britain, Khmyzenko of Georgia (Russia until last year), Yordanova of Bulgaria and Krauziene of Lithuania.

 

[tony]

The talk in Italian in the K&S was

Barbara: (can't understand because of voices over her)
Marco: 34 of components?
Barbara: well, with this jury
Charlene: are they joking?
Barbara: no, this is the reality



Yes.
In PCS she has 1) Fear/Gibson 2) FB/C and 3) G/F

G/F's were ranked 5th in PCS by Pandya of Great Britain, Khmyzenko of Georgia (Russia until last year), Yordanova of Bulgaria and Krauziene of Lithuania.

I mean it is kinda that you have the IAM team judges being the ones pushing down the PCS, but even so it may be a blessing in disguise of hopes of getting a new program anyways.

 

[Ice_dance_fan]

The talk in Italian in the K&S was

Barbara: (can't understand because of voices over her)
Marco: 34 of components?
Barbara: well, with this jury
Charlene: are they joking?
Barbara: no, this is the reality



Yes.
In PCS she has 1) Fear/Gibson 2) FB/C and 3) G/F

Guignard/Fabbri were ranked 5th in PCS by Pandya of Great Britain, Khmyzenko of Georgia (Russia until last year), Yordanova of Bulgaria and Krauziene of Lithuania.

And all these countries best ice dance teams training in IAM

 

[NinjaTurtles]

Just clarifying that she's reposting a story of someone else who called them out.

She posted herself firstly “this sport is a corrupt joke”. She’s not exactly hiding behind reposts

 

[her grace]

I have little hope that they will actually dump the program and start over. Yes, this panel may be stacked against them in terms of pushing IAM or whatever people may be thinking, but the program isn't good. And I'm one of the resident massive G/F fans here and have been for a long time. I wish someone in their camp had a real talk with them about what must be done.

They can get a new program if they so desire (like you, I don't think that's what they will take away from this event), however, the fact of the matter is these vibes/decades theme RDs don't play to G/F's strengths. They are never going to win a "who vamps the best" competition.

Shows the importance of getting out before the GP starts to have feedback. G/F were killed today in part by the PSt level 1 & knock-on effect on the GOE multiplier - they are losing about 2 points to the teams above them who were getting strong 2s or 3s.

OTOH, let's be real. Favored teams get higher levels called on patterns and step sequences even when that's not their strength.

And it's not like it's going to get better for G/F facing all the IAM judges who hold their teams up and push non-IAM teams down. Canada better hope their politiking game is on or G/P could be in the same boat.

 

[tony]

She posted herself firstly “this sport is a corrupt joke”. She’s not exactly hiding behind reposts

Where? Because it's not in her stories.

 

[NinjaTurtles]

Where? Because it's not in her stories.

I retract! I confused her handle and a fan account that posted it around the same time as her stories.

 

[Marta24]

G/F said in an interview that the last seasons they had to rush their preparation to be ready for Lombardia and they didn’t want to do that for the Olympic season. I understand that, but there are plenty of other Challengers or Senior Bs they could have entered.

Regarding the judging panel, at the Olympics there will be judges who are probably going to help them a bit, like Czechia and Finland. The Italian judges usually give a big push to the Czech teams, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Czech judge reciprocate. Especially, considering how much Italian coaches have done to develope Czech ice dance. That being said, it's going to be difficult to give G/F any push in Milan if they can't change the perception of being dumped.

 

[angi]

And it's not like it's going to get better for G/F facing all the IAM judges who hold their teams up and push non-IAM teams down. Canada better hope their politiking game is on or G/P could be in the same boat.

I really don't think their scoring here is just an issue of an IAM block or IAM push. I mean, even the Italian judge gave them 81.81. Yes, on this day it would have had them 2nd, but overall? they need to be scoring 84+ to be in the medal discussion, and even with a more suitable score it wouldn't have been close to it.

They are as others mentioned, determined to blame others instead of examining their contribution to their current situation. They were told repeatedly last season that their program is not working; they had a meltdown and scored 106, and what did they do? change the costumes. Yes, the costumes were bad, but the program itself was terrible, yet if you go and watch it's debut at Lombardia and the final skate at WTT - they kept it the same, even the elements that always scored badly. And when you compare it to other teams who received negative feedback on their programs (V/M on Moulin Rouge at the start, C/B for their 2022/23 season FD), they always went back to the drawing board and played with it until it worked.
It's possible that they had a good reason for not doing a challenger, but it ended up hurting them. Not only did they score low here, 3/10 judges gave them a music violation call for the RD, so I doubt they are not being told behind the scenes that they are risking it with the RD. Will it be enough for them to actually act on the feedback? I doubt it, considering Charlene already reposted like 3 different posts calling the sport and judging for corruption and manipulation.

 

[Karen-W]

G/F said in an interview that the last seasons they had to rush their preparation to be ready for Lombardia and they didn’t want to do that for the Olympic season. I understand that, but there are plenty of other Challengers or Senior Bs they could have entered.

Yup - Nepela would have been a good place to get their programs out in front of the judges with still enough time to tweak things should they have gotten poor feedback.

 

[marbri]

Before seeing their RD I had a bad feeling just knowing they chose Backstreet Boys...
I think it's time we just accept they and Barbara aren't that great at creating great programs.

 

[her grace]

Maybe they should switch to Bikini Kill and go out with a bang.

 

[Kateri]

I've been working all day, and I see I'm walking in the room to ice dance going up in flames, again.

I was looking forward to watching the men live, but now I kinda wanna catch up on dance instead!

 

[skategal]

I will say though that since Charlene is reposting all of the commentary pointing out the judging (including from AnythingGOEs, who as far as I know have always taken the Jackie Wong "I'm unbiased... usually" approach), I have little hope that they will actually dump the program and start over. Yes, this panel may be stacked against them in terms of pushing IAM or whatever people may be thinking, but the program isn't good. And I'm one of the resident massive G/F fans here and have been for a long time. I wish someone in their camp had a real talk with them about what must be done.

ITA.

That RD is the worst stinker of a program I’ve seen all season.