Was This Personal or Professional: (UHC CEO murder)

I was expecting it, as sad as that sounds. Criminals going viral for their looks used to happen quite a bit on twitter.
I feel long in the past before social media romantizing criminals was just as big a thing, Bonnie & Clyde, ....

There's tons of Hollywood movies about it.

Not to forget about all the people who write love letters to murderers in jail.

And of course nowadays you can be a crazy criminal and become insanely successful, rich and powerful BECAUSE of it too.
 
I feel long in the past before social media romantizing criminals was just as big a thing, Bonnie & Clyde, ....

And Ted Bundy was considered "hot" and had a lot of pen pal girlfriends...

There's tons of Hollywood movies about it.

Not to forget about all the people who write love letters to murderers in jail.

And of course nowadays you can be a crazy criminal and become insanely successful, rich and powerful BECAUSE of it too.
Yes, it's always been a thing. But with social media all of these crazies have found each other. It's like how flat earthers started out as a jokey meme but then it became a real conspiracy that people started to believe in after it gained popularity online.
 
Yes, it's always been a thing. But with social media all of these crazies have found each other. It's like how flat earthers started out as a jokey meme but then it became a real conspiracy that people started to believe in after it gained popularity online.
Yeah, I feel TikTok is especially bad at connection really weird people :scream:

But I also feel that many Netflix true crime formats really tend to feed into romantisizing criminals (even though I like a lot of other Netflix shows, I find that rather irritating).
 
When I first learned about this guy, I figured he was some kind of anti-social crusader, and he may be to some extent, but if that diatribe is really written by him, this is back to being a heartbreaking situation on all sides. It sounds like his mom suffered horribly and was obstructed by UHC for years. Given her condition (neuropathy), it's not clear that unfettered access to every test and treatment would have helped, but UHC causing so much trouble and extra expense for her let him fixate on them as the main problem.

Also, despite his grandfather being ultra wealthy, I think he had 10 kids, which dilutes the $$ a bit. The shooter may have had scholarships to that $40K/year school, given how smart he was. There is no mention of his dad in that diatribe, so it's possible his mother was on a fixed income (alimony). The point I want to make is that healthcare is so expensive in the US that even people at the uppermost edge of middle class or the bottom of the wealthy class are giving up trips and treats to pay for it.
 
I would not give the statement allegedly posted on social media any credence until it's verified. However, the quotes from people that know mentioned that he had debilitating back issues that caused significant pain and interfered with his ability to have a normal life and romantic relationships. That kind of pain, especially if it leads to loss of sleep, could definitely make someone lose their mind.
 
Creepy!

 
People thirsting over criminals just grosses me out. Give me Mr. Rodgers any day. But it does explain how criminals get into positions of power.

He may have had some mental issues when younger but more mechanisms to cope to where no one noticed. I wouldn’t rule it out just because it didn’t show in late teens/early twenties.
 
Here we have another lone wolf shooter. Really that is the entire explanation of it. There isn't anything more, just like the guy who tried to assassinate Donald Trump. People try to find something else in these shootings but they are the same general narrative every time, whether an assassination attempt or a mass shooting.
When I took World Regional Geography, I had to write a paper predicting the course of terrorism in the US for the next 10 years, and what I found in the research said that this would be the course of terrorism in US for the foreseeable future--lone wolf shooters. There were a number of reasons why this was considered likely more likely here than elsewhere, although it was thought that all developed countries were at fairly high risk.
He may have had some mental issues when younger but more mechanisms to cope to where no one noticed. I wouldn’t rule it out just because it didn’t show in late teens/early twenties.
Definitely not ruling it out. I brought it up in the first place because I thought it might be relevant. Or it might not.

I'm not sure why we all feel this need to explain things without sufficient evidence, but we do.
 
I'm not sure why we all feel this need to explain things without sufficient evidence, but we do.
A combination of wanting to make sense of things and wanting to assure ourselves that we are still safe even though random people are going around executing people and guns are everywhere. (That's my take on it.)

I don't know. If the manifesto linked by @nlloyd is really from the shooter, this was a targeted attack. @Private Citizen Please stop pulling politics into this. Right now, no one cares or knows if he was left, right, up, or down.
He's definitely upside down (mentally).

I actually came here to post a link to this commentary from a lawyer that covers this from a legal angle:
 
I feel long in the past before social media romantizing criminals was just as big a thing, Bonnie & Clyde, ....
I have a percentage of young female students who are obsessed with serial killers. From what I have read, there is a strong correlation between certain types of emotional trauma in young people and that sort of fixation on criminals.
A combination of wanting to make sense of things and wanting to assure ourselves that we are still safe even though random people are going around executing people and guns are everywhere. (That's my take on it.)
Probably, but that is just further proof that we are an illogical species. Making sense of random things just means understanding that they are random; it doesn't make us safer.
 
I feel long in the past before social media romantizing criminals was just as big a thing, Bonnie & Clyde, ....

There's tons of Hollywood movies about it.

Not to forget about all the people who write love letters to murderers in jail.

And of course nowadays you can be a crazy criminal and become insanely successful, rich and powerful BECAUSE of it too.
It happens in Canada too of course. I am not one of those people. It’s very weird.
 
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I have a percentage of young female students who are obsessed with serial killers. From what I have read, there is a strong correlation between certain types of emotional trauma in young people and that sort of fixation on criminals.
One of my favourite genres used to be serial killer novels which had to have more than one dead body. Patricia Cornwell, Michael Connelly, James Paterson, Jonathan Kellerman, etc. And Silence of the Lambs is a fantastic read. And then non-fiction books about serial killers too.

Don't know why. I just found it a fascinating genre.
 
One of my favourite genres used to be serial killer novels which had to have more than one dead body. Patricia Cornwell, Michael Connelly, James Paterson, Jonathan Kellerman, etc. And Silence of the Lambs is a fantastic read. And then non-fiction books about serial killers too.
I'm not talking about novels. I'm talking about being absolutely fixated on actual serial killers.
 
I'm not "fixated" on serial killers. I have always had a fascination with them b/c of Psychology. Watch Mindhunter which shows the development of Psychological profiling of serial killers.
 
I would not give the statement allegedly posted on social media any credence until it's verified. However, the quotes from people that know mentioned that he had debilitating back issues that caused significant pain and interfered with his ability to have a normal life and romantic relationships. That kind of pain, especially if it leads to loss of sleep, could definitely make someone lose their mind.
According to the Redditors, that statement was uploaded after he was detained so they think it’s fake. I have not seen any other references to it. NYT, ABC etc did report on some Reddit posts by the shooter that he was in debilitating pain for a year and a half, but the surgery was so successful that he was off pain killers 7 days after the surgery and was now pain free. He also posted on Reddit that he had brain fog during school and BCBS paid for all his testing associated with it.

Officials now have a notebook with his writings so more to come.
 
What I find fascinating is that this guy was smart enough to elude police for several days, but also left behind traces. And when he was found he still had the gun on him. To me, this is someone who, on some level, wanted or expected to be found. And I agree with the latest Reddit post I saw that he will not live to see jail time.

As for thirsting after criminals, does no one remember Jeremy Meeks?
 
What I find fascinating is that this guy was smart enough to elude police for several days, but also left behind traces. And when he was found he still had the gun on him. To me, this is someone who, on some level, wanted or expected to be found. And I agree with the latest Reddit post I saw that he will not live to see jail time.

As for thirsting after criminals, does no one remember Jeremy Meeks?
Yes I think the point was to get caught so he has a platform (trial) to get his message out there re: healthcare insurance and try to force change within the industry.
 
What I find fascinating is that this guy was smart enough to elude police for several days, but also left behind traces. And when he was found he still had the gun on him. To me, this is someone who, on some level, wanted or expected to be found. And I agree with the latest Reddit post I saw that he will not live to see jail time.
The conspiracy theorists are taking a different tack, which is questioning why someone so smart and methodical would still have the gun and other stuff on him, so they think he's being framed.

Do the Redditors think he'll be Jeffrey Epsteined? That would only further fuel conspiracy theories.
 
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that he injured his back and hips surfing. Before he went to Hawaii he was certainly successful in school and at work. They report he had lately been into the Manosphere, leaning into Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson. Since Tucker was his jam maybe Luigi will give him an interview.
 
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that he injured his back and hips surfing. Before he went to Hawaii he was certainly successful in school and at work. They report he had lately been into the Manosphere, leaning into Jordan Peterson and Tucker Carlson. Since Tucker was his jam maybe Luigi will give him an interview.
Jordan Peterson is completely crazy.
 
The conspiracy theorists are taking a different tack, which is questioning why someone so smart and methodical would still have the gun and other stuff on him, so they think he's being framed.

Do the Redditors think he'll be Jeffrey Epsteined? That would only further fuel conspiracy theories.
He could have been on the move to kill another victim.
 
What I find fascinating is that this guy was smart enough to elude police for several days, but also left behind traces. And when he was found he still had the gun on him. To me, this is someone who, on some level, wanted or expected to be found. And I agree with the latest Reddit post I saw that he will not live to see jail time.

As for thirsting after criminals, does no one remember Jeremy Meeks?

I don't think he's well. Everything I've read about his high school and college days is about a super smart guy who was involved with high school clubs, his college fraternity, graduated in four years with a Masters and did well enough at work to receive promotions and quits to find something else. And then everyone loses track of him. And now this. What on earth happened?
 
I don't think he's well. Everything I've read about his high school and college days is about a super smart guy who was involved with high school clubs, his college fraternity, graduated in four years with a Masters and did well enough at work to receive promotions and quits to find something else. And then everyone loses track of him. And now this. What on earth happened?
Quarter life crisis?
 

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