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Theatregirl1122 said:
Yes, in the same way that breaking up with someone is hard. But if you ghost someone you've been in a long term relationship with, you're still an *sshole.
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I would say this is true most of the time, but with two caveats. A) we only have one person’s perspective on what kind of communication did or did not take place leading up to the split, and B) there are scenarios where ghosting is a byproduct of some kind of personal crisis, not just callousness.

I have no inside knowledge of this situation whatsoever, I’m just trying to be mindful that there’s only been one incomplete, emotionally-charged side of the story shared publicly. This is a case for me personally where there are too many holes in the narrative for me to feel like there was an obvious bad guy.
 
I disagree: unless he contradicts her and says that he did tell her or says that there was a reason he couldn't even let her know he wasn't going to Nationals and would explain later, there aren't "two sides" to not communicating that he wasn't fulfilling his end of the business relationship.
 
On the flip side, she was over communicating. She shared with the world that his parents potentially didn’t agree with his lifestyle choices and that there was potential emotional and physical abuse.

I’m in the camp that we don’t know, and to be honest, it’s not our business to know, the full story. It’s pointless to vilify two people who were teenagers when this happened, and clearly both made poor choices. The best thing to do now is move on and support them in their separate partnerships with other people.
 
Tinycities said:
On the flip side, she was over communicating. She shared with the world that his parents potentially didn’t agree with his lifestyle choices and that there was potential emotional and physical abuse.

I’m in the camp that we don’t know, and to be honest, it’s not our business to know, the full story. It’s pointless to vilify two people who were teenagers when this happened, and clearly both made poor choices. The best thing to do now is move on and support them in their separate partnerships with other people.
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This right here. She immediately speculated the reasons out in the open, pulling his parents’ views into the situation. Maybe there were more layers to what happened and maybe he doesn’t want to go into full details about it.

They both have moved on to new partnerships and that’s that.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
I disagree: unless he contradicts her and says that he did tell her or says that there was a reason he couldn't even let her know he wasn't going to Nationals and would explain later, there aren't "two sides" to not communicating that he wasn't fulfilling his end of the business relationship.
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You can't say for certain that is the situation as it happened. Again, all we know is Bella's very public statements, but no one else, including their coaches, were discussing the issue, even at the time. I think Bella is great and I enjoy following her on IG, but that doesn't mean that what SHE was saying publicly at the time is the cold, hard truth of the matter. I am in no way casting any aspersions on her character or insinuating anything, so please don't paint my comments as engaging in any sort of "blaming" or "shaming" or typical, ingrained societal misogyny because it's none of that at all. Instead, it is simply recognizing there appears to be more to this story than what has been shared, by either party, publicly. There are any number of reasons or explanations - some probably quite innocent and blameless, others a bit more melodramatic - but I fail to see why it is okay to accept, at face value, what Bella said 20 months ago as fact and dig in and refuse to consider that maybe he isn't the complete douchebag jerk in the story after all.
 
no one is going to convince anyone of anything but if I want to side-eye him I will side-eye him I literally do it with like half the skaters currently skating people are complicated and so is my judgement that he'll never even know about
 
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but I fail to see why it is okay to accept, at face value, what Bella said 20 months ago as fact and dig in and refuse to consider that maybe he isn't the complete douchebag jerk in the story after all.
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I consider him a douchebag jerk for not telling her he wasn't going to compete at Nationals without being in such a crisis he was unable to, and he has had ample opportunity to contradict her or to say he couldn't reach her. Or even give the, "We had a different intepretation of a conversation/text/email." And he hasn't, and it's not because he's refusing to speak about it entirely, see: interview with quotes from him, so he's in my douchbag jerk category.
 
Tinycities said:
On the flip side, she was over communicating. She shared with the world that his parents potentially didn’t agree with his lifestyle choices and that there was potential emotional and physical abuse.
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That is true. It appeared she was in a panic, but nonetheless, she said far more than she should have.

On the other hand, she hasn't publicly said or written one word about him since she announced the official end of the partnership, so she seems to have learned her lesson there.
 
kwanfan1818 said:
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I consider him a douchebag jerk for not telling her he wasn't going to compete at Nationals without being in such a crisis he was unable to, and he has had ample opportunity to contradict her or to say he couldn't reach her. Or even give the, "We had a different intepretation of a conversation/text/email." And he hasn't, and it's not because he's refusing to speak about it entirely, see: interview with quotes from him, so he's in my douchbag jerk category.
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Again, you are assuming that EVERYTHING Bella said at that time, publicly, as fact. You are not, though, privy to every single bit of communication or information she was receiving from him or other people (whether they be coaches, family, friends, etc).

I can come up with a bunch of hypothetical scenarios that would fit the information we have that paint one or the other or both of them as the douchebag jerks in whatever went down.
 
Karen-W said:
Again, you are assuming that EVERYTHING Bella said at that time, publicly, as fact. You are not, though, privy to every single bit of communication or information she was receiving from him or other people (whether they be coaches, family, friends, etc).
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I am assuming that he had every opportunity to say that she was lying that he never told her he wouldn't appear at Nationals, or that he was unable to tell her, or that she misinterpreted what he said/texted/IM'ed/emailed, etc. to her. From the moment she posted on social media to the recent interview in which he was quoted.
 
BlueRidge said:
This discussion is heading toward the classic at this point.
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It's become the traditional competition of who can just scroll past and stop replying. Luckily we have some actual skating to talk about later this evening and can complain about that instead. We will survive.
 
Rukia said:
It's become the traditional competition of who can just scroll past and stop replying. Luckily we have some actual skating to talk about later this evening and can complain about that instead. We will survive.
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This evening? Do we have to complain? ;)
 
BlueRidge said:
Dang I lost track.

I can complain about the 80s RDs but I'm trying not to...
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Eh, I think we've seen all of the teams competing this weekend except Lopareva/Brissaud. Mind, we saw them 4+ weeks ago so we might like their material better with the extra training time.
 
After reading numerous posts, I'll just offer my two cents...

I get that this is news and his non-comments are fair game to comment on. I also understand if it may rev up some real emotions in some of us, but I'm finding all of this speculation to be very negative and taking this thread in a dreadful direction.

This situation involves young skaters where one party, who some are perceiving as the victim, even hinted or insinuated that the "ghosting" partner may have been in some sort of danger. The other party is choosing not to disclose, which doesn't take a lot of imagination to come up with reasons why he's not going too public, nor does he owe any of us an explanation considering he didn't create the situation where this news became public.

I'm not saying nobody is entitled to comment or have feelings, but I am suggesting we all take a breath, take into consideration the age of the parties and circumstances that have been suggested by one or both parties, and evaluate what exact harm did any of us suffer from either party's' actions to get people so worked up in a way that sounds personal.
 
You know, it's sort of funny... For once our nice, media-trained skaters are managing to generate some drama. Sure, it's not anywhere near the same level as their Russian counterparts, but give 'em props for backing right on into this despite that media training they get along the way from the USFS, lol.
 
Karen-W said:
You know, it's sort of funny... For once our nice, media-trained skaters are managing to generate some drama. Sure, it's not anywhere near the same level as their Russian counterparts, but give 'em props for backing right on into this despite that media training they get along the way from the USFS, lol.
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If we want proper drama we gotta give them some of grandpa's juice probably so rip
 
Karen-W said:
You know, it's sort of funny... For once our nice, media-trained skaters are managing to generate some drama. Sure, it's not anywhere near the same level as their Russian counterparts, but give 'em props for backing right on into this despite that media training they get along the way from the USFS, lol.
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Well don't be rushinto this conclusion, maybe Sasha Trusova will reveal Ilia Malinin and Jun Hwan Cha are in love or whatever
 
PRlady said:
When is the actual competition?

ETA: never mind. Considering short trip to Budapest for JGP OR challenger: will wait and see who’s coming to decide.
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Budapest Trophy is actually two competitions. One is the Challenger for Sr men, women & dance. Simultaneously is the non-Challenger competition for Sr pairs, and Jr men, women, pairs & dance.
 
Leah Neset/Artem Markelov's interview with Japanese TV after they won their 2nd JGP gold medal (posted on JSF's Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxP9-cspemq/
They broke 100 points in the FD for the first time (-1 deduction for an extended lift): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi6DTxzMbNw
I'll post a link to their winner's interview after it's published by the ISU.

Caroline & Brendan Mullen finished 5th overall with 3 ISU PB scores in Osaka - their 4th place FD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaabrJ96jYM
 
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