Russian figure skating news & updates in 2022

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TAHbKA said:
He is untouchable as long as he supports the regime. As for the reaction of the world - when was he invited to a show outside Russia the last time? 5-6 years ago to Italy? What does he have to lose?
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He had a show in Italy this season. Even Loena was there.
And I thought he wanted to be a coach :rolleyes:
 
TAHbKA said:
Exactly. Hence the idiot's idea that black lives matter should be applied to Georgians (in Eteri's case) is well, idiotic.
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Just put a mirror to your racist face!
As a Puerto Rican having experienced racism in the good old USA - my mother & I called “Spik Ni**ers” by the President of a Woman’s Club in a largish Southern Appalachian city in the 1970s - I can vouch first hand for lightness of skin tone meaning nothing in the overall racism for having non-white features, such as curly or frizzy hair.

Living in Russia for years, I made friends with beautiful Georgians who were blatantly discriminated for their different hair and other features in ballet companies. I totally understand certain traits in Eteri…I’m sure that she was making a big “F-u” statement to certain Slavic snobs when she went blonde.
 
reut said:
Tickets to that show looked like this:

From what I gather there wasn't "other" event before that just happened to be at the same venue, it was part of the show, the show started with "local talents" and then continued with skaters.
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Are you sure ?

Reddit - Dive into anything

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It says


Dmitri Kuznetsov, a journalist, was there and wrote about it on his TG channel. Link

A rough translation:

"My personal result of the show in Tula. The situation is too resonant to not say anything.

What can be said briefly about the facts:

  1. Athletes were framed. Apparently, they now need to find out exactly the theme of the show and what happens in the palace before and after the event.
  2. The organizers of the show "Union of Champions" claim that they did not know about a certain concert before the show.
  3. Formally, there were no Z's at the show itself, but there were slogans against sanctions and patriotic songs. I'm not a fan of such content, but it's a matter of taste. The point is different - it is very difficult to separate the concert before the show from the show itself outwardly - although I admit that neither the organizers of the Plushenko show, nor the athletes, could have known about this concert.
  4. I was given a badge with Z at first, then changed to the badge of the "Union of Champions".
  5. The athletes protested and did not want to go on the show for half an hour and called Alexander Kogan. They were, let's say, persuaded.
  6. Lisa Tuktamysheva - well done."
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I'm forced to link to the reddit thread and not telegram which I have seen) because sadly he has deleted it and gone on "vacations which were not planned and for a undetermined time" https://t.me/makelutznotwar/2971 :eek:
 
Trillian said:
The practice of conferring citizenship based on birth within a country (jus soli) is relatively uncommon, and most countries actually confer citizenship at birth based on the legal nationality of the parents (jus sanguinis). So it probably matters more what official nationality her parents had when she was born. I think she’s most likely a Russian citizen and could easily have gotten Georgian citizenship if she wanted it. But being born in Russia technically doesn’t mean automatic citizenship. (ETA: although maybe it did in the Soviet era; I haven’t read anything about the history of the laws there.)
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Based on what?
 
TAHbKA said:
Dear god, you're insane. Where did you get that `black' shit about the Georgians/Azeris and what not? What on earth do you grow in your head??? I mean, you might bother checking, but all these people are white. Just as the Russians.
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Well reasoned, thought and fact filled. NOT.
"The most prominent example of a famous, black Russian is Alexander Pushkin. Seen as the father of Russian literature and the greatest ever Russian poet, Pushkin had African ancestory. He has even had a brand of vodka named after him" response...NOT!
 
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Justlooking said:
Are you sure ?
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Yes, I'm sure. As much as they want to "separate" themselves, it's not that it was the whole other event which just "happened" to be at that arena at the same day and they had no connection to it whatsoever.
And, yes, I read that journalist's posts (before they were deleted apparently - and btw I think I know why, someone wrote under one of his posts that she will "report" him to his bosses; in two last weeks culture of reporting to authorities got back to 1937 in russia now, speed of their descend to hell is mind blowing).
Also, I read posts from some other journalists. Also, reports from the show.
One of the posts RU journo wrote about this show totally blew my mind yesterday (although not sure why I'm still surprised?!?! WHY?! As if any of them had balls to write anything on February 24th when it was, just to remind you, still "allowed").

So, his post (there is more, this is just small quote):
"Of course, in this time everyone reacts to symbolics with patriotic subtext (euphemism to RU swastika which was used) like the bull to bullfighter's a$$. And they have any right to react like that, because at this very time, when you read this post, national federations are voting about what will happen with russia next season, and each such concert theoretically might influence their decision to be 'ban RU fed' - and that's it"

Just to remind you that RU journos were also banned, even to get virtual accreditations, were not happy about it, and will do everything possible for this not to happen next season.
(What blew my mind was that when I was reading and saw "because at this very time, when you read this post..." I naturally continued in my mind "people are being tortured and killed in Ukraine", I was so naive to think that that was the reason some people reacted negatively to skaters' participation in that show and saw something bad in it. But, of course, that's not the case. They are just worried they will be banned next season, or maybe more seasons to come).
 
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reut said:
So, his post (there is more, this is just small quote):
"Of course, in this time everyone reacts to symbolics with patriotic subtext (euphemism to RU swastika which was used) like the bull to bullfighter's a$$. And they have any right to react like that, because at this very time, when you read this post, national federations are voting about what will happen with russia next season, and each such concert theoretically might influence their decision to be 'ban RU fed' - and that's it"

Just to remind you that RU journos were also banned, even to get virtual accreditations, were not happy about it, and will do everything possible for this not to happen next season.
(What blew my mind was that when I was reading and saw "because at this very time, when you read this post..." I naturally continued in my mind "people are being tortured and killed in Ukraine", I was so naive to think that that was the reason some people reacted negatively to skaters' participation in that show and saw something bad in it. But, of course, that's not the case. They are just worried they will be banned next season, or maybe more seasons to come).
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Forgot one important quote, towards the end of that post he also says: "luckily ISU still don't really know how to use Internet and won't be able to trace this" (the whole "scandal", not his post).:rolleyes:
 
reut said:
Forgot one important quote, towards the end of that post he also says: "luckily ISU still don't really know how to use Internet and won't be able to trace this" (the whole "scandal", not his post).:rolleyes:
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Yeah, well, this idiot seems to forget that Skating Twitter DOES and they will mobilize over something like this.
 
Karen-W said:
Yeah, well, this idiot seems to forget that Skating Twitter DOES and they will mobilize over something like this.
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They already did. :) For better or for worse I don't think this specific case will change anything in ISU's decision.
 
reut said:
They already did. :) For better or for worse I don't think this specific case will change anything in ISU's decision.
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Neither do I. And, to be honest, if the rumor from Worlds that Match TV reported is accurate, then this "vote/comment" period between the 4/1 ISU Exec Council meeting and the one scheduled for 4/24 is a mere formality. Sentiment is already baked in and not likely to change in their favor - and certainly not because of some whiny Russian sports journo.
 
Here’s a clip of Kostornaia (& several other skaters) performing yesterday in a group number in the Pluschenko-led tour. While I can translate the words on her t-shirt “Нас не догонят” - loosely “They won’t catch up with us” - I’m curious of what exactly is the intended message? Won’t be caught by others… we’re the best?

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Алена Косторная. Финал. Шоу " Союз Чемпионов". Тула. 9.04.2022

Aliona Kostornaia. Harley Queen. The final. The show "Union of Champions". Tula. 9.04.2022
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Frau Muller said:
Here’s a clip of Kostornaia performing yesterday in a group number in the Pluschenko-led tour. While I can translate the words on her t-shirt “Нас не догонят” - loosely “They won’t catch up with us” - I’m curious of what exactly is the intended message? Won’t be caught by others… we’re the best?

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Алена Косторная. Финал. Шоу " Союз Чемпионов". Тула. 9.04.2022

Aliona Kostornaia. Harley Queen. The final. The show "Union of Champions". Tula. 9.04.2022
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One is tempted to respond with an infamous clothing quote from another person born in Eastern Europe. :shuffle:
 
VALuvsMKwan said:
One is tempted to respond with an infamous clothing quote from another person born in Eastern Europe. :shuffle:
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Who? Clothing quote. Pray tell!
You mean the “Z” crap? At least they weren’t wearing that.
 
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Frau Muller said:
Here’s a clip of Kostornaia (& several other skaters) performing yesterday in a group number in the Pluschenko-led tour. While I can translate the words on her t-shirt “Нас не догонят” - loosely “They won’t catch up with us” - I’m curious of what exactly is the intended message? Won’t be caught by others… we’re the best?

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Алена Косторная. Финал. Шоу " Союз Чемпионов". Тула. 9.04.2022

Aliona Kostornaia. Harley Queen. The final. The show "Union of Champions". Tula. 9.04.2022
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"Nas ne dogonyat" is a song by t.A.T.u from the 2000s and has been used a lot by Russian athletes, also during the Sochi Olympics.
I don't think she meant this as a political statement.
 
reut said:
This is the number of those taken from the streets during protests and detained, none of them was "thrown to jail" afterw
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Karen-W said:
Dang! Mad props to Kolyada for withdrawing and refusing to participate. It's interesting that most of these skaters opposed and upset are St Petersburg-based.

It's got to be crazy and insane for all of those skaters who are opposed to the war, but want to skate in the future. If you leave Russia now, I suspect you leave Russia forever.

And f*ck Kogan! He's as awful as Zhulin and Plushenko, pressuring them to skate like that.
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Good on Kolyada and indeed, f**k Kogan the old b***and.
 
irenemulindwairen said:
Good on Kolyada and indeed, f**k Kogan the old b***and.
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It really just looks as if Kolyada had a better business proposition to do Eteri's show. My opinion is that her show looked much more elaborate and probably was more lucrative than Plushenko's show. I'm not sure that I would assume that Kolyada withdrew because of political sentiments. Too bad all the other skaters didn't have an offer for Eteri's show.
 
Let's say you are a skater and are offered two shows.
One includes:
Olympic silver medalists in ice dance
Olympic silver medalists in pairs
2 most recent Olympic ladies champions
all the most recent ladies world champions (among the Russians, of course)
and you are going as a headliner among the men, because duuh, there are no other men.

The other show includes an Olympic champion from 2014, a world champion from 2015, a European champion. There are several men skating in the show, the headliner is a 4 times men Olympic champion and your name would be written somewhere around the juniors.

Assuming the money is more or less the same, you career is more or less over, gee, where would you go?

That is for Kolyada picking Tutberidze's show VS Pluschenko
 
From everything I've heard, he originally said yes to both and then withdrew from one. Is that incorrect?
 
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