Russian Figure Skater tests positive for drugs - delays ceremony for team medals

[DreamSkates]

Tutberidze didn't come up with the excuse. Valieva's mother did. It was she who testified at the hearing; Tutberidze did not.

It is very possible the mother is involved, not the coach. The grandfather said he takes the drug.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Sure, because mom would have known how to dose her daughter so that she was only caught once, less than two months before the Olympics.

 

[DreamSkates]

Kamila is the fall guy here because the system failed her. It maybe as has been discussed, a failure to do the tapering of the PED soon enough to eliminate it in the drug analysis or miscalculated of her individual renal function or any other manipulation that resulted in a positive sample.

We can speculate further about who did not flag the test and why and/or why the lab person who knew the result didn't make it available sooner.
Ok, so much for "this is my last post" three posts ago.

 

[Maximillian]

Did I read incorrectly or was there more than just TMZ found?

 

[Aussie Willy]

Did I read incorrectly or was there more than just TMZ found?

There were three drugs found - one banned and the other two acceptable.

 

[YourBorneo]

Which one of your usernames means “spin master” in Russian? Asking for a few dozen friends.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I have to say I am a little bemused that the potential doping part of the Eteri abuse situation is where some people draw the line and will/will not condemn her, and not the verified and chronicled starvation and emotional abuse (and physical as well if she's forcing skaters to train hard while injured).

Probably still better than the people who still haven't drawn the line.

 

[Xela M]

It is possible that, since Valieva alleged her grandfather takes the banned drug for his heart, that the grandfather and/or mother gave her the drug. Maybe the coach didn't know and didn't give it to her.

It is very possible the mother is involved, not the coach. The grandfather said he takes the drug.

I mean... ANYTHING is possible... I could become the UK Prime Minister (or our current Prime Minister could grow a conscience ).

Doesn't mean it's probable

 

[DreamSkates]

I mean... ANYTHING is possible... I could become the UK Prime Minister (or our current Prime Minister could grow a conscience ).

Doesn't mean it's probable

Well, during the CAS meeting with Valieva, the report is that her grandfather showed that he had the drug and took it for his heart. So that could very well be beyond probable, the source of the drug.

 

[AxelAnnie]

I think the Russian pairs all understood that if all skated clean, the Chinese pair would win since it was held in China. Moskvina mentioned that in an interview.

Please provide an interview. It does not sound like anything Moskvina would ever say.....except maybe at home in her bathroom or something.

If you don't have proof, please don't spread rumors. Things are messed up enough without putting rumors and innuendo out there.
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You know Russia has a long history of dopping. Russia can no longer compete. This is why it is ROC

Scott Hamilton (bless his soul) said that in his opinion the adults were making sure they won medals, but not making sure their skaters were treated like human beings...not commodities.

He also suggested that Valieva needed to get the heck out of Russia. Certainly away from Eteri.
He also suggested she could come to the USA and learn to skate and complete clean.

 

[soogar]

Please provide an interview. It does not sound like anything Moskvina would ever say.....except maybe at home in her bathroom or something.

If you don't have proof, please don't spread rumors. Things are messed up enough without putting rumors and innuendo out there.

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Tamara Moskvina: “At the Olympics our skaters will have to show the highest level, because the Chinese pair is strong and will have the support of the fans and judges on their side”

Tamara Moskvina told about what she expects from her pairs' performances at the Russian Nationals, which will become a qualifier for the Beijing Olympics.

fs-gossips.com

 

[Sylvia]

Link to the Pairs discussion thread : https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/pairs-discussion-thread-2021-22.108538/

 

[AxelAnnie]

Tamara Moskvina: “At the Olympics our skaters will have to show the highest level, because the Chinese pair is strong and will have the support of the fans and judges on their side”

Tamara Moskvina told about what she expects from her pairs' performances at the Russian Nationals, which will become a qualifier for the Beijing Olympics.

fs-gossips.com

Well - aren't you Johnny on the Spot (that means fast). I appreciate it .

There are a couple of places where one could construe Moskvina' words to mean what you say. I did not see her saying she was not going to win because the oLYS were in Bejing, and that is in S/H favor.

This is what she actually said "
Does such a strong interest of the audience affect your work?

Tamara Moskvina: No, I’m glad that people show such interest not only in women’s single skating or in men’s skating, but also in our pair skating, that they argue, discuss programs, costumes. This is good. At the Olympics our skaters will have to show the highest level in order to defeat competitors from China. Sui Wenjing and Han Cong are very strong athletes, they will have the support of the fans on their side in Beijing, and it’s no secret that the judges also show sympathy for the hosts of the Olympics. Therefore, our pairs need winning, passionate music to perform successfully.

 

[soogar]

Well - aren't you Johnny on the Spot (that means fast). I appreciate it .

There are a couple of places where one could construe Moskvina' words to mean what you say. I did not see her saying she was not going to win because the oLYS were in Bejing, and that is in S/H favor.

This is what she actually said "
Does such a strong interest of the audience affect your work?

Tamara Moskvina: No, I’m glad that people show such interest not only in women’s single skating or in men’s skating, but also in our pair skating, that they argue, discuss programs, costumes. This is good. At the Olympics our skaters will have to show the highest level in order to defeat competitors from China. Sui Wenjing and Han Cong are very strong athletes, they will have the support of the fans on their side in Beijing, and it’s no secret that the judges also show sympathy for the hosts of the Olympics. Therefore, our pairs need winning, passionate music to perform successfully.

"Sui Wenjing and Han Cong are very strong athletes, they will have the support of the fans on their side in Beijing, and it’s no secret that the judges also show sympathy for the hosts of the Olympics." - Moskvina says it right here.

It's not a big secret that if a host country has a strong athlete in a judged sport, the judges seem to be lenient on scoring. If the event was held in Russia, then the Russians usually have the advantage, just like the Canadians have when events are in Canada/North America. Yet somehow, the "North American" advantage doesn't seem to favor Americans in Canada.

 

[Aussie Willy]

Interesting article about the mental health of young athletes.

Kamila Valieva horror show proves the price of Olympic gold is too high | Cath Bishop

This is not a problem happening just in Russia – a win-at-all-costs mentality is affecting young athletes more than ever

www.theguardian.com

 

[skatingguy]

"Sui Wenjing and Han Cong are very strong athletes, they will have the support of the fans on their side in Beijing, and it’s no secret that the judges also show sympathy for the hosts of the Olympics." - Moskvina says it right here.

It's not a big secret that if a host country has a strong athlete in a judged sport, the judges seem to be lenient on scoring. If the event was held in Russia, then the Russians usually have the advantage, just like the Canadians have when events are in Canada/North America. Yet somehow, the "North American" advantage doesn't seem to favor Americans in Canada.

Boitano won in Calgary in '88 - Davis/White won in London in '13 - Kwan & Eldredge won in Edmonton in '96 - Kwan won in Vancouver in '01 - Lysacek won in Vancouver in '10 - I'm sure there are more examples.

 

[once_upon]

I guess it's possible that she took grandfather's medication, just not very logical to dose it so it wouldn't show on a drug screen.

I can believe I could fly, but it's not logical to actual do it.

 

[Vagabond]

Kamila Valieva horror show proves the price of Olympic gold is too high | Cath Bishop

This is not a problem happening just in Russia – a win-at-all-costs mentality is affecting young athletes more than ever

www.theguardian.com

I have heard from a range of coaches around the world who conclude sadly that the past week in Beijing further proves that the only way to protect minors will be to bring in age limits for elite competition. Valieva has shown the human cost is simply too high. But whatever new regulations ensue, bigger change can only come from greater leadership to set a broader purpose for sport, shift mindsets and behaviours and instil meaningful metrics beyond medals.

Eys. Unless more is done, raising age limits will keep the pressure on the athletes at levels below junior competition. We see this in football, where top teams and even players are ranked nationally, and we see this in figure skating, where Junior skaters earn World Standings points while competing in Junior events.

As I have mentioned a few times before, Russian ice dancers who are too young to compete internationally even on the Junior skate exhibition programs on national television and are given bouquets by pairs of even younger boys and girls (presumably competitive skaters themselves).

It's time to dial it all back.

 

[MacMadame]

I guess it's possible that she took grandfather's medication, just not very logical to dose it so it wouldn't show on a drug screen.

How would they even know that this was a drug that would help with athletic recovery? Or how much to take? Or when to take it?

Boitano won in Calgary in '88 - Davis/White won in London in '13 - Kwan & Eldredge won in Edmonton in '96 - Kwan won in Vancouver in '01 - Lysacek won in Vancouver in '10 - I'm sure there are more examples.

Only two of those are the Olympics. And having a hometown advantage doesn't mean all your skaters win. It means they get scored slightly higher than they would have if they did the exact same skate in a more neutral place.

Personally, I think the hometown advantage is from having a hometown audience strongly rooting the hometown skaters. And since there wasn't much of an audience in Beijing, I'm not sure how much that factored in here.

 

[jlai]

Boitano won in Calgary in '88 - Davis/White won in London in '13 - Kwan & Eldredge won in Edmonton in '96 - Kwan won in Vancouver in '01 - Lysacek won in Vancouver in '10 - I'm sure there are more examples.

All these are examples that happened in Canada which makes me think Canada beings exception

 

[skatingguy]

All these are examples that happened in Canada which makes me think Canada beings exception

An exception to what?

 

[Vagabond]

I do not understand why people (not just here) think that Canada and the United States are home grounds for each other's athletes. As far as I can tell, they aren't.

 

[wickedwitch]

Hometown advantage is a thing and pretty much all sports not just figure skating. There’s no reason to think that figure skating is somehow the only sport where hometown advantage doesn’t come in to play.

 

[Vagabond]

Hometown advantage is a thing and pretty much all sports not just figure skating. There’s no reason to think that figure skating is somehow the only sport where hometown advantage doesn’t come in to play.

Yes, but do Americans competing in Canada have a hometown advantage? Do Canadians in the U.S.?

 

[euterpe]

What's interesting about Davis/White winning 2013 Worlds in London ON is that there was no Canadian judge on either SD or FD panel. There was a US judge on the SD panel, but the FD panel leaned heavily toward Eastern Europe: RUS LTU SVK UKR GER UZB HUN AZE FRA.

Also rans in the competition:
5th: Weaver / Poje
7th: Chock / Bates
8th: Shibutanis
9th: Ilinykh / Katsalapov
17: Guignard / Fabbri
18: Gilles / Poirier
20: Chris and Cathy Reed

 

[canbelto]

By 2013 it seems as if TPTB had decided that it was Davis and White's "turn" and that Virtue/Moir were old news.

 

[kwanfan1818]

There's a reason the Seattle Seahawks fans are called The 12th Man.

 

[Vagabond]

There's a reason the Seattle Seahawks fans are called The 12th Man.

It isn't because they're all from Canada, is it?

 

[overedge]

More often than not, skaters are competing on a rink that's not their home rink, and are not even competing in their own city. That's very different from, say, football/soccer, baseball, and hockey, where teams have a home facility and regularly play games there. IMO there's very little, if any, "home field advantage" in skating.

 

[PRlady]

More often than not, skaters are competing on a rink that's not their home rink, and are not even competing in their own city. That's very different from, say, football/soccer, baseball, and hockey, where teams have a home facility and regularly play games there. IMO there's very little, if any, "home field advantage" in skating.

I disagree. Under normal circumstances the homie audience really helps performance. And even in large countries like China and the US, nationalism plays in and the fan doesn’t care that the skater is actually from Boston or Harbin or someplace they don’t live.