Lemonade20
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They mentioned it on the news, but I don't remember which one
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Lemonade20
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I'm assuming it's already been recorded, but it would be better to pause on the Oprah interview. Just seems the timing isn't right with the world hoping for Prince Phillip to recover.
MsZem
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I was actually referring to the showbiz element. Usually when you look at an alumni list on Wikipedia there's more of a mix - for example, my school in Oregon has some athletes, an actress, musicians, writers, and an astronaut.
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It's been recorded, because some still photographs and quotes from it have already been released.
I hate to say it, but I don't think an American network is too concerned about the timing with Prince Philip being in hospital. If he passes away, they might feel differently.
MacMadame
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Did I say it was a gritty downtown school? That doesn't even make sense because it's a private school.
But $18k is about right for the lower-end private schools. My HS charges $42,200 and that's just tuition. If you are a boarding student, it costs $$63,700 which I personally think is INSANE but that's what a school like that costs.
AxelAnnie
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Well if it helps ratings they will be interested.
Harry however should be if he had modicum of decency.
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clairecloutier
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Someone on Twitter posted clips of Harry talking about the press and his mother's death:
The difference would be that it is L.A.
taf2002
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Some of my issues:
1. Endlessly talking about getting together "too fast". Too fast to whom? I married my husband after 3.5 months after meeting him. We've been married over 35 yrs. For H &M it was over a year. YOU (including William) don't get to decide anyone else's timeline.
2. Accusing them of wanting to have their cake & eat it too. (Who doesn't?) Harry has a proud military background. The Invictus Games was his baby. Meghan started the cooking program. What would it hurt to let them continue? I felt & still do that taking away patronages they started was mean-spirited & spiteful of the queen. I can see not using them for ribbon-cutting events but those things were different.
3. Blaming them for the timing of the Oprah interview. They have gotten so much criticism that the interview even exists that the timing is a moot issue. When would be a good time for it? Never? For the last time, CBS will decide. Besides, PP is 99 - he's been in iffy health for years. He's going to die sometime - we all are. I doubt life as we know it is going to stop when he does, even in the UK.
4. Blaming them for being entitled & having more than certain posters have. Some of the people here seem outraged they get 3 squares a day. Meghan may have gotten her 1st audition in Hollywood because of who her daddy is but then she had to prove herself. She was rich thru her own efforts before she met Harry. Some people seem to think that being rich is the be all & end all of everything. They should be able to put up with any despicable thing just because they're rich. There's a difference between a photo op & someone with a long-range camera taking pictures thru your windows.
ETA: btw when I said "yeah, it's exactly the same thing" I should have put this:
Obviously some people need to have sarcasm pointed out.
1. Endlessly talking about getting together "too fast". Too fast to whom? I married my husband after 3.5 months after meeting him. We've been married over 35 yrs. For H &M it was over a year. YOU (including William) don't get to decide anyone else's timeline.
2. Accusing them of wanting to have their cake & eat it too. (Who doesn't?) Harry has a proud military background. The Invictus Games was his baby. Meghan started the cooking program. What would it hurt to let them continue? I felt & still do that taking away patronages they started was mean-spirited & spiteful of the queen. I can see not using them for ribbon-cutting events but those things were different.
3. Blaming them for the timing of the Oprah interview. They have gotten so much criticism that the interview even exists that the timing is a moot issue. When would be a good time for it? Never? For the last time, CBS will decide. Besides, PP is 99 - he's been in iffy health for years. He's going to die sometime - we all are. I doubt life as we know it is going to stop when he does, even in the UK.
4. Blaming them for being entitled & having more than certain posters have. Some of the people here seem outraged they get 3 squares a day. Meghan may have gotten her 1st audition in Hollywood because of who her daddy is but then she had to prove herself. She was rich thru her own efforts before she met Harry. Some people seem to think that being rich is the be all & end all of everything. They should be able to put up with any despicable thing just because they're rich. There's a difference between a photo op & someone with a long-range camera taking pictures thru your windows.
ETA: btw when I said "yeah, it's exactly the same thing" I should have put this:
Obviously some people need to have sarcasm pointed out.
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Lemonade20
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A normal couple can get engaged quickly. This is not a normal couple. Meghan didn't realize what she was getting herself in. A longer engagement would have helped in this case, simply because the royal family has certain protocols and traditions that would have been impossible to learn right away. Even Kate (who also went through the gauntlet) had time to adjust and she was not royalty to begin with.
Having Harry ask them to postpone the interview wouldn't be a bad thing, but since it's going ahead, I hope they chose their words carefully and focused on themselves instead of blaming everyone.
taf2002
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I was wrong. Apparently you can set the timeline for couples. I'm sure if they had had a 2 or 3 year engagement there wouldn't have been any criticism or racist remarks.
Lemonade20
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Wow, racism again?!? I'm not criticizing anyone, but rather just stating it's different when you are marrying into a royal family like this. You are completely obsessed with her skin color.I was wrong. Apparently you can set the timeline for couples. I'm sure if they had had a 2 or 3 year engagement there wouldn't have been any criticism or racist remarks.
taf2002
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Get over yourself. This is the 1st time in this thread I have mentioned racism. And I was talking about when they were 1st married.
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There's a difference. Harry won't be king. William will be.
As for the interview, Harry can ask but it's doubtful CBS will concede. And who knows? Harry may have already asked and CBS said no.
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Let me translate the criticisms re: a longer engagementI was wrong. Apparently you can set the timeline for couples. I'm sure if they had had a 2 or 3 year engagement there wouldn't have been any criticism or racist remarks.
“A longer engagement would have been better because it would have been more time for everyone to scare Meghan off and then Harry wouldn’t have married that terrible woman unsuitable to be Royal who doesn’t know her place.”
The Queen did not take away Invictus or other initiatives Harry and Meghan started. She took patronages that they held on her behalf, some honorary military appointments for Harry and I think for Meghan it was the National Theatre. These are patronages she asked them to take on, and as they are no longer working members of the royal family those patronages will now be taken on by others who are. Harry’s two big initiatives, Sentebale and Invictus, are still his and have issued statements saying that he will still be involved. The same for some charities that Meghan was working with on her own.
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And here I thought things would be better here without aftershocks, silly me.
canbelto
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Again the microaggression is off the chart. Would you have dictated what you thought a proper engagement length was if Meghan was an upper-crust white English rose? No you wouldn't. But because she's black you have all this concern-trolling that she's "not a good fit" and "didn't know what she was getting herself into."
Also Meghan and Harry had a short engagement because Meghan is older and there's a ticking biological clock. Had she waited as long as Waity Katie her ovaries would have dried up.
Philip and Elizabeth had a rather short engagement and got married very young. Her father Bertie was not happy actually. That obviously didn't work out.
Lemonade20
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Naturally there's always excitement when someone new comes in the royal family. They will always find a negative angle to it, but given time and the chance to prove it, I think it could have succeeded. No one deserves all the hate and racism, criticism and blame like Meghan has gone through. It is partly the British not ready to accept her, and partly not being accustomed to living this kind of lifestyle. It's the perfect storm that made them feel this way and they shouldn't have to.
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A longer engagement would have been better because it would have allowed Meghan more time to prepare and plan for her new role. Harry, who saw what his mother went through, should have know this.Let me translate the criticisms re: a longer engagement
“A longer engagement would have been better because it would have been more time for everyone to scare Meghan off and then Harry wouldn’t have married that terrible woman unsuitable to be Royal who doesn’t know her place.”
I'm not sure why some people in this thread amplify the worst that's been said of them as if it's broadly representative. They were well-liked and had high approval ratings at the time of their marriage and really up to the point when they announced they were stepping away. Many saw it as a modern-day Grace Kelly situation. Many still do, on both sides of the Atlantic.
There are royal brides who faced worse from the public and the press; that the abuse wasn't racist didn't make it nice for Camilla to be labeled a homewrecker, Maxima to have to deal with the fallout from her father's actions, Mette-Marit to be seen as inappropriate because of her partying past and Sofia for doing glamour modeling and trashy reality shows. This doesn't mean what Meghan dealt with from some quarters was okay, and she and Harry are very much within their rights with the decision to step away. But yes, a longer engagement may have helped avoid some of the issues they ended up dealing with.
Lemonade20
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Exactly my point. It takes time to adjust to everything new. You can get engaged quickly but at the same time you can't just jump into the family thinking everyone will accommodate you immediately. It takes time to get to know everyone and to understand what's expected of you. There is a lot to cover, so much it's mind blowing. How would you feel?
taf2002
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But Camilla WAS a homewrecker, Mete-Marit DID have a partying past, Sofia DID trashy reality shows. (Not that those examples justifies venom.) I do think that blaming someone for something her parent did is always wrong. What Meghan did wrong was breathing & existing. And she's still doing it.
Lemonade said:
I married a Canadian. There were a lot of cultural differences. I am 8 yrs older than my husband which made the prospect of children pretty much impossible. Yet both of our families immediately embraced both of us. It took time for us to adjust but not our families. To this day there have been no judging.
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Not sure why getting rid of just one side of the
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MsZem
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1. Not everything is a microagression.Again the microaggression is off the chart. Would you have dictated what you thought a proper engagement length was if Meghan was an upper-crust white English rose? No you wouldn't. But because she's black you have all this concern-trolling that she's "not a good fit" and "didn't know what she was getting herself into."
Also Meghan and Harry had a short engagement because Meghan is older and there's a ticking biological clock. Had she waited as long as Waity Katie her ovaries would have dried up.
Philip and Elizabeth had a rather short engagement and got married very young. Her father Bertie was not happy actually. That obviously didn't work out.
2. Lovely that in order to make your point you have to put down Kate, who has done nothing bad to anyone.
(QE and Philip had known each other from a young age)
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MsZem
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Some people saw Meghan as inappropriate because she's biracial - racists, gross. Others had issues with her being an American, divorced, and an actress. Which is stupid, but, well, she was a divorced American actress. And again, Harry and Meghan were quite popular at the time of their marriage and some time afterwards.
Maxima had to get married without her parents being present. That would suck for anyone
I think Harry is understandably sensitive to media coverage given his mother's experiences and the way she died, but it seems to make his life so stressful and unpleasant. I hope stepping away will help, but I also hope for his sake that he's working with a mental health professional.
(sorry, I didn't mean to do two consecutive posts!)
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1) Its my experience that when someone has this totally irrational hatred of someone they don't know from a hole in the wall, the reasons are usually sex and race.
2) Waity Katie wasn't my nickname for her. It's the nickname the British press assigned her when she waited for that ring.
3) She was still 21 which is much younger than Harry and Meghan when they got married.
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I thought it was believed to be William who cautioned Harry on moving too quickly. If true, William's intentions - loving concern from an older brother somewhat experienced in what a young bride would face or - family interference, who knows. We gather Harry did not take it well. As for those of us who wonder if Meghan really knew what she was in for - if she had, would that have changed anything - we don't know. A startling number of BRF marriages seem to end in acrimony and divorce so feeling concern for those who marry into it seems okay to me.
As for the interview, Harry does seem to care deeply about how they are perceived. As a mother and grandmother myself, my greatest wish would be for my children and grandchildren to have some kind of a supportive ongoing relationship. At the very least, I hope they can be comfortable if in each other's company. That is where I think the timing of this interview could be crucial. Many, many people have successfully formed their own "family" with those they feel a deep connection and have no regrets. Harry seemed close to at least some of the members of his family, I think it matters to him.
As for the interview, Harry does seem to care deeply about how they are perceived. As a mother and grandmother myself, my greatest wish would be for my children and grandchildren to have some kind of a supportive ongoing relationship. At the very least, I hope they can be comfortable if in each other's company. That is where I think the timing of this interview could be crucial. Many, many people have successfully formed their own "family" with those they feel a deep connection and have no regrets. Harry seemed close to at least some of the members of his family, I think it matters to him.
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Well, that makes it perfectly okay to be nasty about her. Someone else did it first!
You should ask yourself why you feel the need to denigrate one woman to lift up another. It's not a nice thing to do.
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