Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

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My point is that none of them really have freedom of speech - not whether the nasty comments about you and those you love are more distasteful and potentially dangerous than another. They not only don't clap back (at least not like I would) but they also rarely state opinions, stay out of politics, etc. etc. It is a big price to pay but it is not new.

They do clap back though. Kate recently sued Tatler magazine for that "Catherine the Great" article and parts of the article were retracted. She has every right to as well. If magazines are putting out stuff that is untrue, racist, etc. royals can and do sue the magazines.
 
She went to private school for at least of her education - paid for by her now-estranged father. Not exactly living a totally deprived life.
She certainly got advantages from going to private school, but, like anyone else who isn't the same class, race, religion, etc. as the bulk of people who go to tony private schools, there are psychological and social costs of being an outsider, and, in the case of being part of a racial minority, having to context switch.

There are exceptions, like Catholic schools that have a lot of lower income minority students in neighborhoods with badly performing and sometimes dangerous public schools, like the Catholic school Sonia Sotomayor attended, but that's a different situation.
 
I maintain it would be a huge adjustment for a modern young American woman to accept all the restraints of royal life and expectations. Especially with all the press they received and the fact that she did not marry a minor royal. Can they choose another religion? I believe Harry has even acknowledged that he has never been able to vote as that would not be remaining politically neutral. Certain aspects of the "gilded cage" apply to all of them.
 
Private schools in the US are really different from the exclusive boarding schools for the elite in the UK. Many parents send their kids to private/parochial schools in the U.S. but it doesn't mean they're these posh, upper-crust people. Just because Meghan went to a private school doesn't mean her parents were that fancy.
 
Private schools in the US are really different from the exclusive boarding schools for the elite in the UK. Many parents send their kids to private/parochial schools in the U.S. but it doesn't mean they're these posh, upper-crust people. Just because Meghan went to a private school doesn't mean her parents were that fancy.
Here's Wikipedia's list of alumnae for that school:
  • Lucie Arnaz, actress
  • Tyra Banks, model and TV personality
  • Elizabeth Baur, actress
  • Charlotte Caffey, musician
  • Pat Carroll, actress
  • Linda Dangcil, actress
  • Diane Disney, daughter of Walt and Lillian Disney
  • Elliot Fletcher, actor and trans advocate
  • Mary Tyler Moore, actress
  • Ruth Nelson, actress
  • Patricia Newcomb, film producer and publicist
  • Gigi Perreau, actress
  • Ione Skye, actress
  • Yara Shahidi, actress
  • Dakota Johnson, actress, attended the middle school
  • Meghan Markle, actress, Duchess of Sussex

I sense a theme (FWIW, this may be an LA thing).
 
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She certainly got advantages from going to private school, but, like anyone else who isn't the same class, race, religion, etc. as the bulk of people who go to tony private schools, there are psychological and social costs of being an outsider, and, in the case of being part of a racial minority, having to context switch.

There are exceptions, like Catholic schools that have a lot of lower income minority students in neighborhoods with badly performing and sometimes dangerous public schools, like the Catholic school Sonia Sotomayor attended, but that's a different situation.
I was responding to the claim that she didn't have many financial extras growing up. Going to private school is the opposite of that. Her father worked in Hollywood and made good money.

I’m not claiming anything about her experience of that. I went I to a fancy college and was a scholarship student so I know it is not all easy-but I wouldn’t be where I am in life without that education.
 
Private schools in the US are really different from the exclusive boarding schools for the elite in the UK. Many parents send their kids to private/parochial schools in the U.S. but it doesn't mean they're these posh, upper-crust people. Just because Meghan went to a private school doesn't mean her parents were that fancy.
Yeah it was that fancy. Her father made good money working in Hollywood.
 
You know, I find Harry and Meghan much less interesting than many other royals, yet I inevitably find myself drawn back to this thread. Maybe because it's more active these days than the main royal thread? Nobody seems to be doing anything scandalous...
Yeah well covid has had an effect on everything right.
 
I maintain it would be a huge adjustment for a modern young American woman to accept all the restraints of royal life and expectations. Especially with all the press they received and the fact that she did not marry a minor royal. Can they choose another religion? I believe Harry has even acknowledged that he has never been able to vote as that would not be remaining politically neutral. Certain aspects of the "gilded cage" apply to all of them.

They can't choose another religion, because the monarch is the "Defender of the Faith" and is the supreme governor of the Church of England. As for voting, the monarch isn't expressly forbidden from doing so, but usually chooses not to.

I don't think anyone is denying that it would be difficult to adjust to being part of the royal family for anyone who is an outsider. It was difficult for Diana even though she had her own title and was from a family that had long historical connections to the royal household. But some people adjust successfully and some don't, and the monarchy is so set in its ways that one "outsider" is not going to be able to change it by themselves, even when it might need to change.
 
I sense a theme (FWIW, this may be an LA thing).
I don't think you can get a sense of how fancy a school is from its alumni. I had a scholarship to a private HS and we have some prestigious alumni and even some famous people who sent their kids there. But in the hierarchy of public schools we were in the middle somewhere, not remotely posh, and with most students being middle or upper-middle class, with a lot of kids getting at least a partial scholarship. But it was definitely more prestigious than sending your kid to one of those chain private schools.

I have no idea how posh Meghan's school but I would say it was probably on the lower end of private schools in terms of poshness and how rich the parents were as most Catholic Schools are.

In terms of the politics of their situation and comparing this thread to the Trump thread, this thread is NOT in PI. It's not supposed to a place to debate the monarchy but a place to share stories about Harry and Meghan and then respond to them. It's not like a fan thread in The Trash Can though where no negativity is allowed. But if you hate the monarchy and don't want to read about "ooh, they've posted a picture of their baby bump!" then I'd say the thread is not for you.
 
I was responding to the claim that she didn't have many financial extras growing up. Going to private school is the opposite of that. Her father worked in Hollywood and made good money.

I’m not claiming anything about her experience of that. I went I to a fancy college and was a scholarship student so I know it is not all easy-but I wouldn’t be where I am in life without that education.
She might not have had many financial extras growing up. Her father sounds like he had, at least for a while, although with no guarantee of future earnings, but also another family to pay for in a high cost-of-living area, and she might have had the education, but not much more herself, while many of her classmates would have taken their clothes, their vacations, their houses, their household staff, etc. as a given.

I'm not downplaying the value of her education. But that doesn't necessarily mean she lived much more than a middle class existence aside from that, and possibly a working class existence while her mother was struggling.

A ballet dancer from Albania was asked in an interview about his poor (moneywise) early life in Tirana, and he replied that everyone had the same amount of nothing, and they didn't feel poor. I've read this over and over about many successful people saying the same. It's stressful being around plenty when you don't have it and you can't reciprocate in the same way as your classmates, and when every day is a reminder about what you don't have.
 
They are getting worse and worse and worse! Philip is apparently close to death and they say they are victims
 
Prince Philip has a serious cardiac infection. I would not drag his name in this thread.
 
She might not have had many financial extras growing up. Her father sounds like he had, at least for a while, although with no guarantee of future earnings, but also another family to pay for in a high cost-of-living area, and she might have had the education, but not much more herself, while many of her classmates would have taken their clothes, their vacations, their houses, their household staff, etc. as a given.

I'm not downplaying the value of her education. But that doesn't necessarily mean she lived much more than a middle class existence aside from that, and possibly a working class existence while her mother was struggling.

Going to a private high school without scholarships is a big financial extra in itself. All of Hollywood has no guarantees - its a project-based industry - but somehow he came up with tuition. And poor Meghan, not living much more than a middle class lifestyle! I mean, the deprivation of that. ;) (I was from a working class family and had dorm mates who had every privilege except that I got the same grades even though I didn't have their prep school advantages).

I have no idea how posh Meghan's school but I would say it was probably on the lower end of private schools in terms of poshness and how rich the parents were as most Catholic Schools are.

This school is on the hillsides in LA. It's no gritty downtown school. Tuition (without fees) is currently over $18k a year, and they brag about how many students end up in prestigious colleges. Sorry, but to most working class families (like mine was) this was completely out of reach.
 
Private schools in the US are really different from the exclusive boarding schools for the elite in the UK. Many parents send their kids to private/parochial schools in the U.S. but it doesn't mean they're these posh, upper-crust people. Just because Meghan went to a private school doesn't mean her parents were that fancy.
True. I worked for 10 years at a private school (the only school in Ottawa that has boarding). There is a big difference though with private schools that are independent and ones that are for profit. But there is a lot of money raised for scholarships etc. I loved working there (Admissions).
 
Going to a private high school without scholarships is a big financial extra in itself. All of Hollywood has no guarantees - its a project-based industry - but somehow he came up with tuition. And poor Meghan, not living much more than a middle class lifestyle! I mean, the deprivation of that. ;) (I was from a working class family and had dorm mates who had every privilege except that I got the same grades even though I didn't have their prep school advantages).



This school is on the hillsides in LA. It's no gritty downtown school. Tuition (without fees) is currently over $18k a year, and they brag about how many students end up in prestigious colleges. Sorry, but to most working class families (like mine was) this was completely out of reach.
Well it’s not really a brag it’s what attracts the parents aka marketing. Private schools select their students with exam, interview, previous report cards etc., references from former teacher. In that regard it is nothing like a public school as public can’t turn away students.
 
What is despicable about requesting that the interview be held back?

Besides, it's CBS's decision on when the interview airs. Not H&M's. ETA: which it clearly says in the title of the Daily Fail article that @AxelAnnie linked to.
 
Well, we only can speculate about what is actually said in the interview. I can't see how the optics will look good for Harry and Meghan if it is unflattering in any way to the BRF as his grandfather is severely ill or dying. I have no idea whether they or even Oprah could postpone it but I would think it would be in their best interests to try. Worst case scenario - a state funeral and mourning British people coincide with them talking about how their experience was "almost unsurvivable".
 
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