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I wonder if the family illness came about after they got to Korea. That might explain Chris’ lack of focus in the short. Maybe they thought they could compete and determined they couldn’t. Or maybe the situation was bad enough that they needed to leave quickly. I’m a huge fan of the Kneirims and hope everything is okay.Right, the tweet won't load. There must be a family illness involved, but clearly it was thought best (and rightly so) not to blame a family illness for their withdrawal. I even thought perhaps the Knierims might better have chosen to skip 4CCs altogether in order to concentrate on being in their best shape for Worlds, since the turnaround from Nationals was very quick for 4CCs. That way, U.S. fed might have been able to send D/F (to reward their season) or Lu/Mitrofanov (to gain more experience).
OTOH, the idea may have been to keep momentum going. But since the Knierims weren't perfect in the fp at U.S. Nats, maybe think about foregoing 4CCs mostly because of the travel and the very quick turnaround from Nationals. And just go back to training and dealing emotionally with whatever family situation is going on.
I didn’t explicitly state that, but I did wonder if the Kneirims will withdraw from worlds as well. Depends on the nature of the family illness. For them to WD as they did makes me think it’s something serious.I would think someone would have to withdraw because the team was already named.
P/J from China were one of the pairs that an American pair would have to pass, and that doesn't look like it will happen.
Right, the tweet won't load. There must be a family illness involved, but clearly it was thought best (and rightly so) not to blame a family illness for their withdrawal. I even thought perhaps the Knierims might better have chosen to skip 4CCs altogether in order to concentrate on being in their best shape for Worlds, since the turnaround from Nationals was very quick for 4CCs. That way, U.S. fed might have been able to send D/F (to reward their season) or Lu/Mitrofanov (to gain more experience).
OTOH, the idea may have been to keep momentum going. But since the Knierims weren't perfect in the fp at U.S. Nats, maybe think about foregoing 4CCs mostly because of the travel and the very quick turnaround from Nationals. And just go back to training and dealing emotionally with whatever family situation is going on.
Exactly my point throughout this thread. USFS has a rather detailed three-tier consideration of performance in place and it can't just scrap it. That doesn't mean the situation isn't fluid, it means it could not name C & J to the world team outright. As noted they are first alternates.^^^Unless the Knierims are really injured or that family illness remain unresolved, I can't see USFS not sending them. I know many people love the idea of a skate off or changing assignments when another team skates really well, but that's not going to happen this season.
For the USA to institute a skate off for two or more teams, it'd have to happen before a season starts, not midway through a season. Changing the rules for everybody in the middle of a skating season is unfairest of all. Another thing, wouldn't the use of a skate off for worlds have to be written into the official procedures and bylaws of US skating? I don't think that idea is yet. You can' t just say "Oh we'll use 4CC for a skate off between skating team A and skating team B" when they've already selected the worlds team.
At the rate USA changes anything it'll be after the Beijing Olympics before the US even discusses the option of using 4CC results as a tiebreaker for choosing our entries.
And if I were Calalang/Johnson or Tarah and Danny I'd keep training hard anyway. which they probably will do.
I don't know if that's the case, since the choice wasn't even between C & J and K & K to start with; there is a certain amount of "embarrassment" as you call it in nearly every skater's career. Finishing a spot or two below a teammate at Four Continents doesn't compare to some of the disappointments many skaters have weathered.Or maybe they just withdrew to avoid further embarrassment by being beaten by the team that should be going to Worlds.
Exactly my point throughout this thread. USFS has a rather detailed three-tier consideration of performance in place and it can't just scrap it. That doesn't mean the situation isn't fluid, it means it could not name C & J to the world team outright. As noted they are first alternates.
If that's the case, then it would be easy for you to lay it out. If the situation isn't "fluid" and is rigid, the structure should be easy to see, explain, and understand. Please do so.Exactly my point throughout this thread. USFS has a rather detailed three-tier consideration of performance in place and it can't just scrap it. That doesn't mean the situation isn't fluid, it means it could not name C & J to the world team outright. As noted they are first alternates.
I have already laid it out at length in previous posts. By fluid I only mean that the teams chosen will be monitored for fitness.If that's the case, then it would be easy for you to lay it out. If the situation isn't "fluid" and is rigid, the structure should be easy to see, explain, and understand. Please do so.
If 4CCs were going to be used as skate-off, shouldn't C-G/L have been there since they, you know, placed 4th at nationals?
What I believe is the point is that for this season after the selections for worlds and 4CC were announced some posters here were moaning and groaning and almost expecting that USA figure skating would suddenly change their own selections and have 4CC become a skate off for the world team. That wasn't going to happen no way no how. Yes we can legitimately disagree about who was chosen. But after the committee makes up their mind, unless for injury or illness, they're not going to suddenly change the selections. There's no provision in the rules as they currently are to do that.
Now do I think those rules and by laws should be changed? Probably yes. But that will take time. And sometimes skating rules change with the speed of a tortoise.
PAIRS
Ashley Cain-Gribble and Timothy LeDuc
Alexa Knierim and Chris Knierim
Alternate 1 – Jessica Calalang and Brian Johnson
Alternate 2 – Tarah Kayne and Danny O'Shea
Alternate 3 – Haven Denney and Brandon Frazier
I have already laid it out at length in previous posts. By fluid I only mean that the teams chosen will be monitored for fitness.
He already did.All I can think of at this stage is Chris Knierim selling his prized car collection to finance their skating dreams.
He already did.
It’s kind of hard for me to see the decision being clear cut from the criteria when we don’t know how much each competition is weighted and how the placements are weighed for each competition in each tier. Right now it seems more like a guideline that leaves a lot of room for discretion in a case like this where C/J beat C-G/L in two of their three head-to-heads which happened to fall within the first two tiers and by two placements in the competition that is within the first tier. I mean I think it would have been clearer cut had C-G/L medaled at Worlds and had a great GP season and were medal threats and C/J had a one-off amazing competition but haven’t really shown themselves to be a medal threat. I kind of think that’s when most people think the BOW should be used. So far it seems C-G/L and C/J have similar scoring and placement potential and with C/J beating C-G/L in their last two head-to-heads and placing two places higher at Nationals, most people could see an argument for them even under BOW and can probably find examples of USFS bypassing a skater with a better record being passed over due to losing at Nationals with a similar record to C-G/L unless we’re really treating C-G/L’s top ten finish at Nationals as a medal placement in other disciplines.
... especially after that mess of a SP...
Or maybe they just withdrew to avoid further embarrassment by being beaten by the team that should be going to Worlds.
I totally agree with what you're saying, but to be fair the 'mess' for Alexa & Chris was collapsing on the jumps, and allowing what happened to cause a lapse on the sbs spin. They were okay on everything else aside from the sbs jumps and the really detrimental lapse on the spin where they received no points.