The Dance Hall 6: We're All Off Our Rockers 2018-2019

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Talking about programs we like so far this early in the season, I thought I would compile the different performances in the Challenger Series. It makes it easier to catch up for those of us who couldn't watch everything live. There are already quite a lot as you can see. I may have missed some so don't hesitate to add.
Also talking about the prevalence of a certain style(s), watching back to back might prove interesting to see if some trend(s) clearly emerges.
Thank you so much, cocotaffy ?. This is really a great idea and a great post (y).

We have also seen these programs -

Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY/Nikolaj SORENSEN RD FD (last season's FD with some changes)

Anastasia SHPILEVAYA/Grigory SMIRNOV RD FD
 
great idea Cocotafy !!! very nice to use and study !!
thanks

here is the free danse of Adelina GALAYAVIEVA / Louis THAURON FRA : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmgjTUH-wkY
Thank you so much, cocotaffy ?. This is really a great idea and a great post (y).

We have also seen these programs -

Laurence FOURNIER BEAUDRY/Nikolaj SORENSEN RD FD (last season's FD with some changes)

Anastasia SHPILEVAYA/Grigory SMIRNOV RD FD
Great, I added them to the list :40beers:
 
Some thoughts (thanks to all the links provided by Cocotaffy!):

Nice debut for this La La Land program. As usual G/F are very fluid and dynamic, even too dynamic for this theme I find, they don't let the dance breathe imo.
Very nice stealing of the W/P stationary lift btw... !! :saint:

I know here a lot of people are team Hurtado/Khaliavin but personally I'm team Smart/Diaz. I don't know what it is but I like to watch them skate a lot. This tango is great stuff. :smokin::smokin:

I don't know what to make of Stepanova/Bukin's FD yet!! One thing is for sure : they must have been super done with Liebestraum!!! :rofl:
 
I actually really like Guignard/Fabbri's FD. It's a true dance piece and they really dance throughout the entire 4 minutes. They even made me not mind that "dance" in-between the twizzles even though it was kind of long. The ending could use some work though as it's not grand enough to match the music and some of those last lift positions are fug. Is there a fan thread for them? I've been thinking they've been underscored for a while.
 
I like Guignard/Fabbri's FD the best so far as well

Everything else has been kind of blah

Olivia Smart's FD costume is strange?

Also, I like the elements in Popova/Mozgov's FD (the lifts are cool), but I'm so over the faux-dramatics in it that are brought back from a bygone era of ice dancing? and I hate the music.
 
I like Guignard/Fabbri's FD the best so far as well

Everything else has been kind of blah

Olivia Smart's FD costume is strange?

Also, I like the elements in Popova/Mozgov's FD (the lifts are cool), but I'm so over the faux-dramatics in it that are brought back from a bygone era of ice dancing? and I hate the music.

The Krylova camp needs to turn it down a TAD. Too much stuff is going on and their teams can't sell it, which could, I don't know. I mean how schizophrenic is that P/M FD? How many poorly edited music cuts can 1 4 minute dance really take?

G/F FD is really cool though.
 
Popova/Mozgov do have a chaotic FD and the music is very anxiety inducing.:yikes: I thought some of the lifts and spins were creative. The sliding moves this year are going to be fun to watch.:lol::eek:
 
S/S are fun, what is that music?

Also, it paaaains me to say it as a still bitter I/K stan (Not that I really get the whole backstory there or who is really to blame) but Sinitsina and Katsalapov look very good...
 
Could someone please tell where in the RD pattern this rocker is that was talked about being left out/must be included please?
 
Talking about programs we like so far this early in the season, I thought I would compile the different performances in the Challenger Series. It makes it easier to catch up for those of us who couldn't watch everything live. There are already quite a lot as you can see. I may have missed some so don't hesitate to add.
Also talking about the prevalence of a certain style(s), watching back to back might prove interesting to see if some trend(s) clearly emerges.)

Thank you so much Cocotaffy for this post. It helps for coming up to date with the new season !

RD : just a few thoughts so far
It is very early in the season but I think a lot of the teams don't have the maturity or the personality to dance the tango. Also it seems to me too many teams confuse the tango with the spanish dance and the atmosphere coming from many RDs is more spanish than tangoish IMO.
But I already love two RDs : W/P and S/D !

FD so far : I'm with Claire Cloutier on the P/C's feeling and look of too many of the FDs. I'm sure things are going to change, evolve during the season so it will improve
 
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I missed Stepanova/Bukin FD, so thanks to @cocotaffy for this great post ! And I have to say I love their elements and the feeling of their FD. Yeah, some fun at last !
The lifts, and the spin are really great. Finally a spin that doesn't bring me the feels "okay so it have to be done, there I did all the difficult position, now let's move on". The spin of G/F is giving me the same vibe this year, and so far the only spin that looked like it was part of the choreo and that I can remember of are the Shibs' one on Fix you and some of P/C when it was well designed with the music. (I realllllly hope P/C are changing it this year by the way)

But back to S/B. Even though I like their element one by one, I feel like the skating is somewhat missing. I watched in only once but my general feeling is that I need more connection between the element, more skating. It's early in the season though.

It's the opposite to G/F's FD actually. They skate, they cover so much ice ! The theme is more mainstream, (some may say P/C like ;) ) but oh boy I really hope they're gonna be rewarded for their effort this season. The european championship should be very interesting.
 
Could someone please tell where in the RD pattern this rocker is that was talked about being left out/must be included please?

As best I can tell, it's in the final two YYs at the end of the first portion of the pattern. (Maybe it's my imagination, but I think teams are actually having a harder time getting the second portion of the pattern).

Updating the list after this weekend with teams that have received a YY for the rocker portion of the pattern in international competition:
Guignard & Fabbri at Lombardia.
The Parsons at the Asian Open and Lake Placid International.
McNamara & Carpenter at Nepela and Lake Placid International.
Turkkila & Versluis at Nepela.
Tessari & Fioretti at Nepela.
Muller & Dieck at Nepela.
Wang & Liu at Autumn Classic. (Wang & Liu had YYYY across the first part of the pattern. I believe that's our first level 4 for that portion of the pattern. Kudos).
 
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Could someone please tell where in the RD pattern this rocker is that was talked about being left out/must be included please?
Here is my non expert answer. The Tango Romantica pattern always starts on the left side of the rink in front of the judges. You will notice the twirling (helicopter) move with the woman and man's leg extended. The team skates toward the midline, then toward the judges (in a rounded lobe of steps), then skates away from the judges and into a large lobe in the right hand corner of the rink. Just after they complete this lobe of steps and are skating in Killian position toward the judges, they make a one foot turn to face the end of the rink. This one foot turn that begins on one edge and ends on the opposite edge (hence the difficulty) is the rocker. Both skaters do the step simultaneously. Watch Wang and Liu at Autumn Classic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbMYysosm1U
 
I keep seeing people say that so many teams seem to be doing P/C's style, but I feel like it's being a bit overstated. I mean, yes it's a popular style right now, but to me P/C style seems to be a bit too broadly defined to include lots of stuff that isn't really that close to what they do.

Like, just because a program is romantic doesn't make it P/C-like. I mean, V/M did a few programs that were light and romantic earlier in their career that were very different from P/C's style still. Actually I don't think romance is generally a focus of their programs (they might show some, but it's not what sets them apart).

BTW when I say something is not "P/C-like", I'm not saying P/C couldn't do it, just that it doesn't fit with the basic style they've been doing the last few seasons. And also I compare some teams stuff to H/D or V/M - these are loose comparisons, I'm not saying it's just like those teams. It's just to differentiate from the comparison to P/C.

Here's how I view the programs so far (obviously others may disagree). Comments aren't in response to anyone specific. And obviously I didn't include every single team.

US teams
- Hubbell/Donohue - I kind of get why you would say this is P/C-like, but R&J with voiceovers is something P/C would never do imo, and P/C's programs don't normally focus on romance the way R&J does
- Chock/Bates - Elvis is not P/C's current style
- Hawayek/Baker - this music has some similarities to P/C style for sure
- McNamara/Carpenter - I can see the comparison to P/C's style here, though I think they bring their own flavour
- Parsons/Parsons - well considering it's To Build A Home, yeah this is in P/C's basic style
- Carreirra/Ponomarenko - this feels much more young V/M than P/C to me, but YMMV

Canadian teams
- Weaver/Poje - you could call this P/C-like I guess, but this seems in keeping with their style, which they've had before P/C came along
- Gilles/Poirier - kind of soft indie music, so that's maybe something P/C would do, but I bet G/P will have their own style with it because they always do
- Soucisse/Firus - much more J/C than P/C
- Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen - not P/C-like, it's a flamenco
- Sales/Wamsteeker - a Celine Dion mix, romantic for sure, but more big ballad than P/C go

Russian teams
- Stepanova/Bukin - more H/D from last year
- Zagorski/Guerreiro - I haven't seen it yet, but it's "Blues for Klook" right? That's not soft, flowy and lyrical
- Sinitsina/Katsalapov - I guess you could say this is P/C's style
- Popova/Mozgov - definitely not P/C-like
- Shpilevaya/Smirnov - a bit different, modern, not soft and flowing, not P/C-like

Asian teams
- Komatsubara/Koleto - completely romantic, but also lively, if I had to compare, more young V/M than P/C
- Wang/Liu - again if you wanted to compare, more like H/D last season than P/C
- Chen/Sun - with Umbrellas of Cherbourg, again I think more of a young V/M

European teams
- Guignard/Fabbri - I don't see this La La Land program as P/C's style
- Lauriault/Le Gac - fun, they def have a style separate from P/C with this Bruno Mars
- Fear/Gibson - disco fun
- Hurtado/Khaliavin - you could say this is P/C's style, but it reminds me more of V/M's Pink Floyd FD from way back
- Smart/Diaz - Beatles medley doesn't feel like P/C

Top Juniors (I included all medalists so far on the JGP)
- Lajoie/Lagha - classical style piano piece, but it's not like a P/C program to me - more drama, less floaty quality
- Khudaiberdieva/Narazov - cool attitude, has Nathan's SP music from last season, not P/C style
- Ushakova/Nekrasov - quirky, loud, full of movement, fairly fast-paced, not P/C style
- Shevchenko/Eremenko - a mix of alt/indie music and electronic, quirky, not P/C style
- Nguyen/Kolesnik - this does have that nice lyrical quality, so I can see calling this P/C's style
- Shanaeva/Naryzhnyy - weird Samson and Delilah, story-telling, not P/C-like
- Ivanenko/Karpov - Peter Gunn soundtrack is def not flowing, lyrical
- Konkina/Vakhnov - classical ballet
- Kuts/Mikhailov - this is alt-indie and not flowing music at all, so I would say not P/C-like
- Gropman/Somerville - their own thing, telling a story, not P/C-like
- Popova/Byelikov - I honestly don't remember their program, but the music is a classical style, so maybe this is P/C-like style (although with none of the memorability imo)
 
Such a great post, RoseRed (y). I am also a bit tired of people saying that every romantic program, every program to classical music, or just every program to slower music is P/C style, or that it's all that Gadbois teams are doing, going as far as calling it "Montreal/Gadbois mush", or even that the majority of the current teams are only doing "P/C style" programs.
 
I'm continuing on my first impressions of the dances I've seen so far.

RD: Besides W/P and S/D (very different from each other but really incarnated in the tango) I really like FB/S (both dances) and H/B. Those last two couples have a similar feel in the flesh, maturity, gravitas, ... whatever that for me goes with the tango.

FD: Besides FB/S (I really like their flamenco) I reiterate my first impression on a lot of P/Cesque feel in the dances (manerism, mouvements, lifts, ...) some which are nevertheless interesting and well done but wich give a déjà vu impression or on quite blah choregraphy.

I'm waiting (and praying for something different and personal) for P/C and G/P.
 
RD: Besides W/P and S/D (very different from each other but really incarnated in the tango) I really like FB/S (both dances) and H/B. Those last two couples have a similar feel in the flesh, maturity, gravitas, ... whatever that for me goes with the tango.
Do you mean H/D (Hubbell/Donohue)? Because H/B (Hawayek/Baker) have not debuted their programs yet.
 
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