Royalty Thread #7: Do They Get Frequent Flier Miles?

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Thanks for the info but he has nothing to say that I want to hear.

He is really an idiot for giving this interview. And although I don't fully understand the 'paparazzi incident', it again seems to indicate that he's an idiot.

Everything he says is going to come back to haunt him.

But even so, I do believe that he is hurting. He is living in rental accommodation for $700 a month or so while his daughter is Royalty. This probably makes him feel very much a failure, and he's talking about everything he gave to Megan in an attempt to deal with his shame and feelings of inadequacy.
 
He is really an idiot for giving this interview. And although I don't fully understand the 'paparazzi incident', it again seems to indicate that he's an idiot.

Everything he says is going to come back to haunt him.

But even so, I do believe that he is hurting. He is living in rental accommodation for $700 a month or so while his daughter is Royalty. This probably makes him feel very much a failure, and he's talking about everything he gave to Megan in an attempt to deal with his shame and feelings of inadequacy.

That may be but there's a lot of people who have done better than their parents. That's what most parents want for their kids. Meghan already had a more glamourous life than him when she was on Suits. And she certainly out-successed her brother & sister but they didn't seem to mind or were more quiet about it before she dated Harry. Now that she's in a position to be embarrassed by their public dirty linen-washing they are just lapping up the attention. After a while they will be old news & the tabloids won't give them air time unless they come up with new dirt. I just hope lack of attention won't make them come up with manufactured stories.
 
I have to agree with you here @aftershocks Mr. Markle has lost his mind. That was some crazy interview. If he wants to reconsile with Meghan this is not helping his cause. If he were my Dad I would give him his walking papers pronto.
 
I think there may be some mental illness there.

The woman who has signed on to work with her new husband and his brother and sister-in-law on a campaign to erase the stigma from mental illness should perhaps find a less dismissive solution than giving her potentially mentally ill father "walking papers".

Just saying.
 
I think I can understand why the Duchess of Sussex is keeping a body of water between herself and the rest of her family. I do hope that her mother gets to visit her.
 
If Mr. Markle is suffering from mental illness then he should be helped and not exploited.
Not sure what her other half siblings are suffering from, just saying.
 
Oh my, there's some serious dysfunction existing among the Markles. Every family has issues for sure, even the British royal family. But the royals learned from the sturm and drang they experienced during the 70s, 80s, 90s. Diana and Charles had serious issues, but above all they both loved their sons. And that nurturing love held William and Harry in good stead despite their parents' break-up and their mother's tragic death. When Charles wished to marry Camilla, William and Harry just wanted their 'Pa' to be happy, end of story. And the thing about Camilla, despite her personal faults, she understands royal protocol and the necessity to never complain, never explain. And above all, try to maintain your dignity and never blab to the press. That's a huge no-no.

Markle Snr does not realize the rare olive branch he was extended by M&H, after he cooperated in staging those photos with the media. He seems so full of pride and vanity. He had the opportunity to attend the wedding, and he really didn't seem to want to be there. Maybe the heart ailment situation is true, but the surgery excuse may be suspect. It's actually a blessing in disguise that he ended up not walking his daughter down the aisle. He's showing he doesn't have good sense, and that he can be easily bought and manipulated. So he didn't need to be anywhere near the royal family.

So much of what Markle Snr is saying and doing is so contradictory. Plus the older daughter Samantha (her real given name is Yvonne) is the one who's been egging him on. All this airing of dirty laundry appears to show that Meghan dealt with a great deal of negativity coming from the Markle side growing up. But she always publicly showed respect to her Dad (on her Instagram) and she focused on all the positives of her experiences with him, sharing sweet and uplifting anecdotes about how he supported and encouraged her. This is how he purposely and publicly betrays her during what should be the happiest time of her life! :eek:
 
Harry is very much like his mother and more demonstrative than William. IOW, Harry has often worn his heart on his sleeve. Although the experience of his mother's death wounded him in ways where he has said he has a blockage about crying in public. In a happy way, that block was broken during his public wedding and the private reception.

It's not a big deal that Prince Harry chose his mother's favorite color blue for his cypher. None of the other royal cyphers are that color. Another point of reference: William and Harry clearly both felt strongly about involving their mother's memory on the occasion of their weddings. They made a pact that whoever married first would give their bride Diana's engagement ring. And that was William, so Harry ended up using two diamond gems from another piece of jewelry belonging to his mother. Harry combined those gems with a larger diamond stone from Botswana (a country close to his heart partly because Prince Charles took his sons to eastern Africa for healing immediately after Diana's death). I like Meghan's engagement ring much better than Kate's. And plus, apparently Harry also gifted Meghan that stunning aquamarine sparkler that had belonged to Diana. The gorgeous aquamarine ring fabulously adorned Meghan's finger during the after party at Frogmore House. The way it looked on Meghan was to-die-for, especially when we glimpse a photo of Diana flashing it on her finger back-in-the-day.

Face it everyone, that Diana PofW will always be brought up, particularly on many occasions in connection with her sons, but also surely in connection down the road with her grandchildren. She showed her boys such love, that she will always be imprinted on their hearts and souls in a good way. They have forgiven all her past transgressions and faults. And the work they are doing with mental health, AIDS, hospitals, domestic violence, children in need, families in crisis, and challenges facing young people around the Commonwealth, is largely about carrying on their mother's legacy. People forget, but it was Diana PofW's empathy and her down-to-earth ability to reach out to people in such a loving way that helped bring the royal family into an era of more relaxed walkabouts and connecting in a more powerful way with the public. That's why she was named by the Prime Minister upon her death, The People's Princess. She was a larger-than-life personality who will always evoke lasting memories down through the ages. She had faults because she was human too, as are we all.

I've never seen the Wessex cypher before. I think it's very cool, as is M&H's cypher. The design of Charles/Diana's cypher is rather intricate and interesting, but perhaps over-elaborate. I think they could have done a better job with William/Kate's cyphers, though the flourishes on the letters are nice. QEII/Philip's cypher is the only one I recall having seen before. I like Harry/William's individual and joint cyphers.

https://twitter.com/HWalesWatch/status/1022304393490784256/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1022304393490784256&ref_url=https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a22560311/meghan-markle-prince-harry-royal-cypher-monogram/
Click on the Twitter image and it will open into a picture gallery to see the cypher images in full detail
 
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It just seems to me that some members of the media want to read Diana into every single thing that William or Harry do, and by extension Kate and Meghan. Maybe Harry did choose it, who knows, but come on. It's blue for heaven's sake, and apparently that's enough for headlines news on both sides of the pond.
 
It just seems to me that some members of the media want to read Diana into every single thing that William or Harry do, and by extension Kate and Meghan. Maybe Harry did choose it, who knows, but come on. It's blue for heaven's sake, and apparently that's enough for headlines news on both sides of the pond.

The blue was a headline in 2009 too.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/78791/Prince-Harry-pays-tribute-to-Diana-with-royal-cypher
His blue royal cypher with coronet, revealed for the first time today after he and his brother Prince William set up their own private office, was deliberately selected by the third in line to the throne in honour of Diana.

“It’s a very touching way for him to pay tribute to his late mother,” a royal aide said.

William’s, meanwhile, is in the same red as the royal cyphers or monograms of both his father Prince Charles and his grandmother the Queen, reflecting his direct position behind them as a future King in the line of succession.

They do thinks purposefully in that family. It isn't coincidence. I would suggest that the joint cipher is blue because Harry's is though, not because it was Diana's favorite color. Harry's is blue for that reason.

Also, while is see the curl from Harry's cipher, when I look at the joint one all I see in it is an M. Harry does not seem represented at all to me.
 
^^ That's because the entwined H and M becomes an optical illusion. If you concentrate on the H, you will see it separately from the M. Both letters share some lines. The flourish coming up from top left denotes the H (because that upward flourish does not appear on Meghan's individual cypher. And then the M and H share the long lines down both sides, while the line that loops down from right to left across the M, denotes the cross bar that we see on the letter H.

I understand what you are saying though because I felt the same way when I looked at it the first time, when it first was reported in the media a few weeks ago. This is just rehashed news because the media has little else to talk about since the royals are on summer break.

It's nice to see M&H's cypher reported about again along with the other royal cyphers. I really like the Wessex's unusual cypher. I enjoy lettering and calligraphy in general. I used to do a lot of calligraphy years ago (something in common I have with Meghan ;)) Anyway, the Wessex cypher I had to look at closely too, because once again there's a bit of an optical illusion. At first it just looks like lines. I realized the second one is an S, but I forgot the Earl of Wessex's first name! And then I realized the first jagged lines denote an E for Edward criss-crossing at top and bottom over Sophie's S. :lol:

And of course because Harry's cypher is already blue, they are keeping it that way for Meghan, and for their joint cypher. But the reason Harry's cypher is blue is because it was his mother's favorite color. That's been acknowledged. :)
 
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Also, Prince Harry wouldn't use red, since (according to one of the articles posted above) that color seems to be reserved for those in the direct line of succession.
 
The issue I have with the continual bringing up of Diana is the she has been placed high on this huge pedestal by her fanatics as this saint like creature who is utterly perfect. Well she wasn't. She was a human being who was flawed in many ways like the rest of us. However she died young and beautiful in a tragic manner and this colours everything that happens to those she loved most- her sons. It is sad but I doubt they will ever be able to fully get out from under the shadow of her presence. Yes they loved her and will always carry their love for her in their hearts and in tangible things they do i.e. giving their wives jewelry that belonged to their mother or giving her name to their child. But they are separate human beings and need to be able to make decisions that aren't always related back to Diana. In fact many decisions will probably be coloured more by their relationship to their father but those will just be ignored as it doesn't fit the romantic story based around Diana.

And the less said about the sleazy way Blair used Diana's death the better IMO.

Though I always thought Kate got the short end of the stick with her engagement ring even though it is the one that has the most meaning. Meghan was lucky there again IMO.
 
And the less said about the sleazy way Blair used Diana's death the better IMO.

Though I always thought Kate got the short end of the stick with her engagement ring even though it is the one that has the most meaning. Meghan was lucky there again IMO.

Who is Blair & how did she/he use Diana's death?
 
That may be but there's a lot of people who have done better than their parents. That's what most parents want for their kids. Meghan already had a more glamourous life than him when she was on Suits. And she certainly out-successed her brother & sister but they didn't seem to mind or were more quiet about it before she dated Harry.

Some people who do much better than their parents give back to their parents generously, in appreciation. And of course, some don't. And there is plenty of resentment and squabbling over money among family members.

I don't know Megan's financial situation and doubt she could she could 'give back' to her dad with the Royal's monies.

I agree that her dad may be mentally ill in some way. And I've already said that his behavior is inappropriate.

But, I just feel he is more to be pitied than condemned.
 
I know who Tony Blair is, I just didn't connect him with the single name Blair. I followed the events at the time but I don't remember how he "used" her death. But I agree that she is brought up every time Kate or Meghan does or wears anything. Meghan wears a blue dress? She's obviously honoring Diana. It gets tiresome and ridiculous.
 
I believe I read somewhere that the palace had provided some help to Meghan's parents to prepare them for the press and, I assume, Harry and Meghan spoke of it with them. It is certainly unfortunate that her Dad has chosen to speak out now, and especially, to comment on Meghan's mental state of which he would appear to be only guessing. I get that the sister and company were going to be problematic regardless, but I doubt that her Dad will be able to dig himself out from the hole he is digging. Too bad as the marriage is only the beginning and I would assume children will come along and other special events of which he is likely to not be invited. It is hard to say what his motivation is but it seems very unlikely that he will force the royal family into changing and people seem to feel more genuine sympathy for Meghan than for him. Sad - all around.
 
Yes, Tony Blair was the Prime Minister when Diana died in 1997. I couldn't remember his name or I would have directly named him in my earlier post when I pointed out that the PM spoke of Diana being 'The People's Princess.' The statement Blair gave in the immediate aftermath of Diana's death was genius and heartfelt. It went a long way toward comforting people who were distressed and anguished throughout the country and the Commonwealth. People can look back on that time and cast aspersions for all of the emotion that people felt. However, the emotion was genuinely felt and deeply anguished. That's because Diana touched people's hearts. She simply did. Yes she had faults and she made mistakes. But I for one am glad Diana didn't just sit back and take Charles cheating on her.

Rather than looking at a fictionalized Hollywood account*, here are Blair's historic comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8nuyI9WJY
I don't see how anyone can characterize his words or even his later actions as 'using Diana's death.' His powerful words were solely about Diana and what her loss meant, not about himself. I am glad there was something in Blair that helped him rise to the occasion. I think Blair understood it was an important moment in time and that he as a leader of the country needed to speak from his heart in a way that could truly comfort people who were utterly heartbroken. Diana's death was shocking and devastating, no matter how some people today feel embarrassed about the depth of emotions the entire country (and the world) felt back then.

I am not sure what is being referred to by Blair 'using' Diana's death. That's not what his initial motivation was IMHO. I feel that he was sensitive to the enormity of what had happened, and he had an accurate reading of the public's overwhelming grief. In fact, Blair's spot-on reading of people's emotions is what enabled him to advise the Queen in no uncertain terms, which turned out to be important in the heat of that historic moment. Blair's memorable remarks went a long way toward calming the country. You would have had to live through that time in Britain to truly understand the depths of people's emotions. It was because they felt Diana had been let down by the royals (and in many ways she had been let down, betrayed and disappointed by them). In some way, the British people may have felt (as people tend to feel when someone they love dies) a sense of guilt that they too had let her down. And that kind of realization is devastating when it's too late to rectify because the person is gone. The royal family certainly learned a lot from Diana's death and from her life. Above all, the royal family is lucky to have Diana's sons in direct line of succession.

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*Thanks to @Sylvia for linking that trailer. I really enjoyed that film, and Helen Mirren's performance was amazing. The Queen, is an excellent dramatization of those events, but not the real events. The story in the movie was told from a specific point of view sympathetic to QEII, which is fine. But when tragedies happen, there are many conflicting points of view. That's life. I prefer to be more thoughtful in looking at all sides and not making sweeping generalizations. Life and relationships are complicated. Perhaps the royal family felt that Blair was being insensitive to their feelings at the time, but I think history has proven that his understanding of that powerful moment was more accurate than the Queen's. Of course, the boys probably should not have been expected to walk behind their mother's coffin. There is royal tradition behind that practice. But they were too young and too heartbroken. Still, those images are lasting and powerful. And what's done is done. Move on, learn from it. That's what the Queen and the royal family have done, no matter the specifics of their private feelings and private family interactions in the aftermath of Diana.
 
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OMG. That youtube! Apparently not only could Tony Blair not hold up his own umbrella, he also let his wife & kids get rained on while he was protected. What a gent!

:lol: Come on taf2002. Clearly, Blair kept looking back at his family in a protective manner. I didn't notice that his family was getting rained on. It looks to me like the family walked on past him into whatever location that was, as he gestured to them to go on ahead. And the guy holding the umbrella had it more over himself than over Blair. Plus, the umbrella was completely lowered and put aside when Blair spoke, so it doesn't look as if it was actually raining at all, or very much at the point Blair and his family exited the car.

I didn't post Blair's heartfelt and historic comments about Diana PofW in order for FSU to breakdown existential matters regarding umbrella etiquette and Blair's supposed character flaws. :p
 
:lol: Come on taf2002. Clearly, Blair kept looking back at his family in a protective manner. I didn't notice that his family was getting rained on. It looks to me like the family walked on past him into whatever location that was, as he gestured to them to go on ahead. And the guy holding the umbrella had it more over himself than over Blair. Plus, the umbrella was completely lowered and put aside when Blair spoke, so it doesn't look as if it was actually raining at all, or very much at the point Blair and his family exited the car.

I didn't post Blair's heartfelt and historic comments about Diana PofW in order for FSU to breakdown existential matters regarding umbrella etiquette and Blair's supposed character flaws. :p

I know you didn't. That was just a bonus. ;)
 
Blair came across as manipulating the situation in my opinion. Yes he spoke words that sounded heartfelt but he was a master manipulator and liar as has been proven over time. In case anyone thinks different I totally admired Diana for forging her life after her marriage disintegrated. Did she make some false steps- sure she did but she worked hard to ensure she could do some good with her life. I just get mad when people stick her on the pedestal and will hear no criticism of her. She certainly wasn't a saint so shouldn't be treated that way.
 
It's being reported that royal courtiers and the royals have been conferring behind the scenes on what feasible actions (if any) might be taken to get Markle Snr to stop blowing off to the media:
https://www.thisisinsider.com/thoma...nce-meghan-markle-father-mirror-report-2018-8

As far as references to Diana PofW, I think it makes sense to separate the media's constant references and comparisons from how the princes actually deeply feel about their mother's legacy and memory. On the one hand, William's and Harry's memories are mostly private and cherished. On the other hand, their mother played a large public role and she meant a lot to people and she did a lot for many people. So, the princes feel an obligation to carry on her legacy in important ways that are more public (such as the 20-year tribute projects, and the concerts, and taking on specific humanitarian projects that were dear to Diana, etc).

However, I agree that none of the royals (including her sons) are into everything being about Diana. Make no mistake, that's more the media's agenda for kicks and clicks, than it is William's and Harry's. In fact, W&H have clearly learned to be very wary of the media as a result of how their mother died, and the way she was hounded throughout her life as a royal. Yes, Diana used the media too, but those were the actions of a desperately lonely and isolated young woman from a broken home who found herself idolized throughout the world, but disliked and misunderstood by her own husband and many of his family members.

No matter Tony Blair's personal and political failings, or the latter day looking at him as having taken advantage of Diana's death for his own personal popularity (which I don't know enuf about to be the judge of), I still feel that Blair rose to the occasion and that he was right about the need to honor and acknowledge the public's emotions.
 
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