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I'm not going to quote your post @aftershocks as it is too long and I'm on my phone but that is the 2nd time you have claimed Harry was bored with some aspects of royal life. Could you direct me to the sources if this comment as this is the first I've heard it. Thank you.
 
That's a whole lot of surmises @aftershocks. I hope for their sakes you're right.

:lol: I'm basing my comments on what they said in their engagement interview, what they've actually said in a variety of other interviews before and after they met, what I've read over the years about Diana PoW and her sons and the royal family, and what I've seen in a variety of documentaries that include quotes from Meghan and Harry, as well as confirmed information. I'm also obviously making opinionated judgments and qualifying my commentary.

That's actually what a lot of the royal journalists do as well. ;) Most of the speedy books that went to print even before the engagement announcement about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, are obviously based on a similar mix of Internet chatter, opinion, speculation, info from a variety of articles that are in turn using info from Meghan's own written words, her former Instagram & Tig site, and her many interviews that are easily accessible on Youtube, as well as the documentaries that are also available about Meghan and Harry both together and separately. There's quite a lot of stuff out there. And since I've been following their love story closely from the very beginning, I even know where some of the book authors have made obvious mistakes or went with questionable details that are sketchy or the chronology is off-kilter, etc.

That said, I'm sure M&H are not concerned with what I think. And I doubt they worry themselves overmuch regarding what royal journalists and royal followers think in general, whether it's half-truths based on gossip, speculative trivia, completely wrong facts, opinionated supposition, or dead accurate guesses. ;) They certainly implied that directly and indirectly in their engagement interview. At one point Harry said with a chuckle to the interviewer: "... or it's what they think they know about me.":D We can also definitely get a hint of M&H's disregard for the outside 'noise' from quotes by Meghan in the September 2017 Vanity Fair interview. Plus, we see M&H's protective approach to personal privacy in the way they have conducted their courtship. OTOH, M&H have also been exceedingly gracious, caring and thoughtful toward royal fans, community activists in Great Britain, Commonwealth youth, Harry's military compadres, and well-wishers around the world.

Once again, I've looked at a number of Prince Harry documentaries and interviews pre-Meghan. There's one from around 2011 - 2012 after his final breakup with Chelsy Davy where he speaks very poignantly with audible sighs about hoping to find someone who could "take him on." He spoke self-deprecatingly about girls looking at him and saying, "Oh, he's a prince." He sounded as if it was a burden to bear, not something that made him a catch. Seriously.

I'm not sure which part of what I said you hope is right, for their sakes. :confused: :p No matter what I said, I do take heed of what Prince Harry said in the initial 'back the heck off' press release of November 2016, which confirmed to the world that he was dating Meghan Markle and that it was serious. The very fact of that press release being written and released, is unprecedented in royal history.

Prince Harry: "This is not a game. It's her life and mine."
 
I'm not going to quote your post @aftershocks as it is too long and I'm on my phone but that is the 2nd time you have claimed Harry was bored with some aspects of royal life. Could you direct me to the sources if this comment as this is the first I've heard it. Thank you.

Prince Harry gave an interview last year during which he said none of his family members were actually chuffed about the prospect of inheriting the throne, for which he was later chided by royal journalists (even though Prince William said something similar, even if more guardedly, in a prior interview re the fact that he's not looking forward to becoming King because it would mean experiencing the loss of family members who are important to him).

In a circa 2011 - 2012 interview I saw on Youtube, Prince Harry was asked by an entranced reporter what it must have been like growing up and attending grand dinners at the palace with VIPs, etc. Prince Harry in his inimitable way made a face and responded, "...pretty boring." At the same time, both Prince Harry and Prince William also display in the same interviews a deep respect, love and admiration for their grandmother, the Queen, and for the important royal traditions which she has upheld and honored with such dignity for over 60 years.

I did not say Prince Harry did not or does not appreciate his blessings, just that there have understandably been some aspects of his life which took time for him to come to grips with. I'm not making this up. It's his own reflections. And it's certainly not unusual or hard to believe that people, royals and commoners alike, often have trouble accepting aspects of the life they were born into. :drama: Obviously it's partly my supposition based on factual reports and visual evidence of M&H's interaction with each other, that Harry is chuffed to be able to share the grander aspects of his life with Meghan. It has been reported how they enjoyed spending part of their courtship at Windsor Castle and at Frogmore House on the grounds of Windsor. It has been mentioned by KP media reps that M&H chose St. George's Chapel Windsor for their wedding venue because Windsor Castle and it's environs hold special meaning for them. We also know that M&H spent a lot of time together at her Toronto apartment and at Nott Cott just being a regular couple (review the engagement interview if you will). Once their relationship was outed, M&H often holed up at the home of her friends, Ben and Jessica Mulroney.

Prince Harry obviously went through a well-documented period during his 20s where he rebelled against the intrusive downsides of being royal. During that time, he was also inarticulately grieving over the loss of his mother. [I get this from Harry's own admissions during interviews, not from my imagination]. Prince Harry has spoken of his mother's loss as 'a void' in his life. Reportedly, at one point, Harry even considered turning his back on being a royal. Part of the process that turned around his thinking was his sojourns in Africa, beginning with his gap year trip to Lesotho, an excursion which was suggested to him by a mentor. It took time, but eventually Prince Harry began to realize that being a prince gave him a platform with which he could make a difference for people in need. He has spoken of how he began to understand that in helping others, he could also further his mother's legacy. It's simply a coming of age story on a royal scale. ;) Check out the Prince Harry interviews and documentaries that are plentiful on Youtube.
 
^^So basically @aftershocks it is your interpretation of interviews given by Prince Harry that comes up with the comment that Harry was/is bored with Royal life. I have heard and read many interviews including some you mention and do not get your interpretation at all. But as you have stated in this and the previous post you are making huge leaps of supposition to make comments made here and there fit the story you have already determined is fact in your head.

I am surprised - or maybe not so much thinking about it - and a little amused that you keep stating your suppositions as fact yet keep telling the rest of us that we don't know what Harry or Meghan think so shouldn't make assumptions. :D:rolleyes:
 
^^So basically @aftershocks it is your interpretation of interviews given by Prince Harry that comes up with the comment that Harry was/is bored with Royal life. I have heard and read many interviews including some you mention and do not get your interpretation at all. But as you have stated in this and the previous post you are making huge leaps of supposition to make comments made here and there fit the story you have already determined is fact in your head.

I am surprised - or maybe not so much thinking about it - and a little amused that you keep stating your suppositions as fact yet keep telling the rest of us that we don't know what Harry or Meghan think so shouldn't make assumptions. :D:rolleyes:

And now you are exaggerating, extrapolating and making your own assumptions and suppositions regarding what I said in order to fit whatever interpretation you already have in your head. :blah: I never said that Harry "is/was bored with royal life." Nor did I say that I know what Harry and Meghan think. I qualified my interpretations, and most of my commentary is based on their own words.

If you don't want to read carefully or if you can't quite grasp the subtleties and complexities, or if you simply don't agree with the straightforward fact-based commentary in my previous posts because you dislike me saying what you may not agree with, that's your problem. As I mentioned, every opinion and supposition in my previous posts are based on researching factual information and from listening to M&H's own words. I have never claimed that my views are the only ones that are possible, or that I'm 100% correct and on target down to the minute detail. It's you who are making that assumption. I don't think my commentary is farfetched. But everyone can and surely do believe what they will. I'm basing my views on close reading of reliable sources, actual M&H quotes and information released by KP, viewing of widely available Meghan and Harry documentaries and interviews, as well as a variety of research, including accumulating detailed information from Meghan's own writing and her posts on her former Tig and Instagram, plus featured articles about her during her Suits career, etc. I don't form my opinions off the top of my head. Neither have I said that what I have to say is the last word. It's what I believe based on doing a lot of reading and research.

Furthermore, various posters' opinions about sartorial matters and issues of royal protocol have no connection with the commentary in my post that was in response to @Japanfan. That specific post was about my personal reflections precipitated by the widely accepted view of M&H's romance as being a fairytale. I am not telling anyone how to view M&H's union. I'm simply sharing my assessment which you do not have to read nor agree with. It's not life or death, but it is culturally and historically interesting. ;)

M&H's engagement interview is actually very revealing, particularly for people who were closely following the courtship throughout 2017. Watching them talk and interact with each other during the interview was like seeing pieces of a puzzle coming together, but that's probably true only for those who had been following the sparse trail of M&H news and sightings since November 2016. In fact, the engagement announcement a year later did not come as a surprise to anyone who happened to have been following M&H closely. It was expected and anticipated almost to the day.

There are different levels of royal followers. I've done a great deal of reading about the current royals over the years, and a lot of reading about British royal history. (I'm different from Meghan in that aspect. Although as a teenager Meghan admired Diana PofW, Meghan had never read much about the royal family -- she was apparently too busy living her own life ;) ) So, there are avid M&H followers, there are trolls and avid haters, there are the completely uninterested and clueless, and there are the interested but casual observers, including those who knew of the M&H relationship but who likely never gave it a lot of thought until after the engagement announcement. I'm not among the latter group. ;) :duh: :drama: And nope that doesn't make my views nor anyone else's 100% accurate, as I previously indicated (and as Prince Harry similarly cautioned the BBC reporter and the viewing audience during his engagement interview).

It's mind-boggling (but strangely commonplace on FSU) that you interpret my comments as somehow suggesting that others have to agree with me. :COP: :revenge:
 
@aftershocks it is clear you insist in having the last word - or words as you seem to use 10 where 1 would do. All I would say is look back over your previous comments as several times you state things that are just huge suppositions on your part and then get beyond defensive when others either call you out or basically disagree. I know you will probably write another dissertation in your reply but I am done with trying to converse with someone who sees no other point of view but their own and blasts others who do disagree.

And yes @Zemgirl Prince William's tour was well done by him and his advisors. He had to walk a fine line and I think he did an awesome job. Royals like and need to be neutral with politics and as a first visit by such a senior royal from the UK I think he walked that line well. I think HM and her government were very happy with that tour.
 
This endless conjecture about what the Duke of Sussex wants out of life (none of us know him!) and the significance of the Duchess's public appearances is very dull. As is her wardrobe, so far.

Here's a story about the Duke of Cambridge's trip to Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Authority, as well as some pictures from the trip.

Thank you for posting this. William is a class act for sure.
 
Ah whatevs, whatevs @Lorac. As I've often said, it's rather difficult trying to engage in-depth on Internet forums where there are a variety of opinions, naysayers, and always people eager to get their backs up when they don't agree with posters whom they'd rather misinterpret anyway for whatever reason. Tis what it tis, as the world continues to turn. :watch:

And yes @Zemgirl, Duchess Meg's sartorial choices can be a tad dull for those who actually ain't much interested in the first place. ;) I do agree many are looking for some of the dash and flair we've seen in Meg's pre-Harry days, which has been in short supply recently. But there are also critics who will never be satisfied with Meghan or anything she wears. There is the belief that Meghan simply isn't interested in trying to stand-out and especially not to out-shine anyone sartorially. Right now she is seemingly trying to fit in, and to be appropriately dressed as well as promoting certain worthy British brands, whenever possible, such as Huit Denim (a small company which received a surge in business after Meghan wore their jeans in Wales). The Duchess of Sussex's life is in the process of change and her wardrobe will surely be evolving. She's had some recent misses but nothing too egregious (aside from what she wore to the private Spencer country wedding :P). But there's been nothing to be overly apoplectic or blanket disdainful about, especially during her early days of adjusting to life as a royal lady. :glamor:

On the more substantive front, Duchess Meghan is also kept quite busy with a variety of matters including her anticipated projects with the Royal Foundation and the planning of upcoming public events and tours with her hubby.

This past weekend, there have been glimpses of the familiar Meghan rocking casual attire at Prince Harry's recent charity polo matches:
http://meghansmirror.com/polo-style/meghan-markle-watches-as-prince-harry-plays-at-audi-polo/
http://meghansmirror.com/polo-style/meghan-attends-another-day-of-polo/

And throwback Tig featuring Meghan in a colorful geometric print! :D
http://meghansmirror.com/throwback-thursdays/meghan-markles-bright-cheery-novis-dress/

In 2013, Meghan was seen in a colorful Tracy Reese flower print sitting in the front row at the designer's show:
https://www.thecut.com/2013/09/fug-girls-real-talk-with-markle-at-tracy-reese.html
 
As far as Prince Harry having struggled with royal life during his twenties, that's not conjecture. He's spoken about it himself. It's been written about and there have been documentaries citing his problems and detailing how his sojourns to Africa helped him to heal and to find direction. His military service also helped settle him down and guide him toward more purposeful thinking. He founded Sentebale with Prince Seeiso and he launched the Invictus Games. By the time he met Meghan, it was at the right time in both their lives. As Prince Harry said, "the stars were aligned."

People who know Prince Harry have commented on his happiness and the change in him since he met and fell in love with Meghan. There's no conjecture about that either. There's plenty of visual evidence too. It's also not unusual for people born into a certain way of life to chafe at some aspects of their life. And also, being rich and privileged does not equate to being happy. Prince Harry has been the third wheel on outings with Prince William and Duchess Kate for a number of years (there was even a humorous photo essay about that in Vanity Fair recently). So it's not unusual for Harry to now be happier and very excited about sharing his family and his Windsor lifestyle with the love of his life. That would surely be the case for anyone who meets someone special, falls in love and has the opportunity to share everything with that person. Life becomes that much sweeter. Again, Prince Harry reportedly said during the reception after the wedding that he can't wait to share the rest of his life with Meghan. And as I said earlier, KP reported that M&H chose St. George's Chapel for their wedding because Windsor and it's environs grew to have great meaning for them during their courtship.

Prince William is going to be King and he has a different personality. He always knew that he was going to be King and he was groomed from a young age to realize what it meant. Diana is quoted as having said that Prince Harry would one day grow up and appreciate the fact that he would have more choices and leeway in life because he will not be King.

In other news:
The Duchess of Kent gave an interview to help ring in the start of Wimbledon. I couldn't find that interview, but I found the below two Youtube videos with Katharine Duchess of Kent talking about her love of teaching music in her hometown of Hull (Yorkshire). She's very eloquent and such a classy lady. She also started a charity some years ago to help gifted students pursue their craft:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8leDmDZIG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTLOA_eZsAc

Old Pathe film clips showing the engagement and wedding of Katharine Worsley to Edward Duke of Kent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNBga1mWdvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ44_-9kjuQ

Katharine looked so lovely. They were married in 1961 at York Minster in Katharine's hometown. It's fun looking back. The Queen and everyone look so young, as indeed they were. Prince William of Gloucester was such a handsome young chap. Diana's father can be seen among the guests. Princess Margaret and Antony Armstrong-Jones had been married the year before and still looked happy at that early point in their marriage. Young Princess Anne and young Jane Spencer (now Lady Jane Fellowes), Diana's oldest sister, served as bridesmaids.
 
Prince Harry reportedly said during the reception after the wedding that he can't wait to share the rest of his life with Meghan.

Oh, my God! They are so unique!! No one has ever said that at a wedding or engagement party ever before in the history of the world!!

Seriously, that one is so overdone that it is basically a cliche. You're basing your romanticization of them on that?

Harry's in love. So what? That doesn't mean that Meghan is as special as you want to make her out. It also doesn't mean all of your assumptions about either of them are true.

Frankly, she is a b-list Hollywood actress who found a way to multiply her fame by a thousand.
 
Wow @PDilemma, did she piss in your Wheaties? That's a lot of anger towards someone who (as far as I know) has never done a single thing to you.

@aftershocks, I'm not clear who Edward & Katherine are. Is that QEII's youngest son? And who was the young boy sitting with the Queen & Prince Phillip? Anyway, I love her wedding dress. That was fabulous.
 
Wow @PDilemma, did she piss in your Wheaties? That's a lot of anger towards someone who (as far as I know) has never done a single thing to you.

@aftershocks, I'm not clear who Edward & Katherine are. Is that QEII's youngest son? And who was the young boy sitting with the Queen & Prince Phillip? Anyway, I love her wedding dress. That was fabulous.

Edward and Katherine are the Queen's first cousins (well he is). He is the son of George Vl's youngest brother the Duke of Kent, who was killed in a flying accident while serving in WWll, so his son Edward became Duke of Kent while still a child. The young boy with the Queen is Charles, Prince of Wales.:)
 
Oh, my God! They are so unique!! No one has ever said that at a wedding or engagement party ever before in the history of the world!!

Seriously, that one is so overdone that it is basically a cliche. You're basing your romanticization of them on that?

Harry's in love. So what? That doesn't mean that Meghan is as special as you want to make her out. It also doesn't mean all of your assumptions about either of them are true.

Frankly, she is a b-list Hollywood actress who found a way to multiply her fame by a thousand.

Hey to each their own. :) I am not basing my commentary on that one 'cliche' thing Harry said. :lol: But you can exaggerate in singling out that one passage. :p I mentioned that quote as well as all the other references and quotes to show that M&H's situation is normal in many respects in that it's not unusual to better appreciate some of your blessings, advantages and life experiences when you have someone special to share everything with.

Whoever doesn't feel Meghan is that special is entitled to feel whichever way they feel. :drama: Clearly it doesn't matter what any of us think, as I already noted. It's quite obvious that Prince Harry finds Meghan very special indeed. In his own words: "I was beautifully surprised when I walked through that door and saw her... I knew I needed to up my game... We choose each other... All the stars were aligned." Moreover, Meghan has been fully accepted and embraced by Harry's family.

The negative slant in your last sentence "who found a way to multiply her fame by a thousand" happens to be much more of an unfounded assumption than anything I've said. :rofl: But par for the course when it comes to the side-eyed green-eyed views in some quarters toward Meghan Markle, now HRH Duchess of Sussex, Countess of Dumbarton, Lady Kilkeel, Princess Henry of Wales. :glamor: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/europe/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-intl/index.html

Meanwhile, here's a video from early 2016 before Meghan met Prince Harry in which she shares an easy recipe (from her Grandma Markle, as originally posted on her Tig site):
https://vimeo.com/143302119
Meghan is a very strong, savvy, articulate person. I guess some people find it a negative when someone is physically gorgeous, has a strong, confident personality and is able to express themselves with such panache. She has freely admitted to being "endlessly ambitious," and desiring to "exceed expectations." In her life she has done just that. Even before she met Prince Harry, Meghan was beginning to be more widely known and recognized within the entertainment, fashion, beauty and lifestyle fields. Her star was going to continue to rise no matter whether she'd met Harry. It doesn't really matter that meeting him led to her being engulfed with exponential fame, as I don't see fame as the reason they fell in love with each other. I would bet that Harry is chuffed to have met Meghan and won her heart when he did. The thing about it is that their spark of attraction which turned into love is mutual and of their own admission deeply felt.

I find Meghan to be interesting and inspiring because she genuinely cares about other people, not just about herself. But she is also a no-nonsense go-getter who has worked hard for everything she's got. And when she became successful, she responded with gratitude and used her higher profile to give back to others. I don't see how anyone can listen to her U.N. speech, view her one-on-one interview with Larry King, and see her Create & Cultivate interview from October 2016 (all of which I've previously posted) and still look upon her as just a b-list actress intent on "multiplying her fame."

Meghan definitely wanted to succeed in her chosen career, as well as to use her success to give back to others. There's nothing wrong with being strong, beautiful, ambitious and female. I don't equate Meghan's desire to succeed as an actor and humanitarian, and coincidentally happening to meet new friends who brought her into contact with Prince Harry as trying to "multiply her fame by a thousand." Meghan has said she embraces being both feminine and a feminist. She has also embraced being a successful, accomplished businessperson and humanitarian with meeting, falling in love with, and marrying her Prince. She was willing to give up a lot for love and for the opportunity to embrace the challenges of a 24/7 life as a British royal, which also offers her the chance to give back to others on a larger scale. We all ought to mind the fact that when you give to others with all your heart, without any expectation of reward, many times you tend to receive unexpected gifts in return. Both Harry and Meghan have expressed love and gratitude for the serendipity of finding each other. Their union appears to be fated. An amazing love story that already has "wonderful romance" written all over it, needs no romanticizing. It is what it is. :D Perhaps you skipped watching the recent royal wedding. :duh:

And here's some cute news from January of this year that I missed:
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/new...med-after-meghan-markle-london-zoo/109569432/

For Meghan fans only ;) https://www.purewow.com/food/meghan-markle-recipes/slide1

A bit of 'Meghan advice' that appeared on her former Tig:
"... Cook that beautiful dinner when it's just you. Wear your favorite outfit, buy yourself some flowers, and celebrate the self-love that often gets muddled when we focus on what we don't have."
 
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@aftershocks, I'm not clear who Edward & Katherine are. Is that QEII's youngest son? And who was the young boy sitting with the Queen & Prince Phillip? Anyway, I love her wedding dress. That was fabulous.

Prince Edward, Duke of Kent is the oldest son of Prince George, Duke of Kent (who died in a plane crash during WWII). Prince George was a younger brother of Prince Albert aka King George VI, so Prince Edward Duke of Kent is Queen Elizabeth's first cousin. He was the man in military uniform at 2018 TofC who supported QE II by sitting next to her during the trooping in the absence of the Duke of Edinburgh. The Duke of Kent also rode in the carriage with Harry & Meghan at TofC.

The Duke of Kent hands out the trophies at Wimbledon. His wife Katharine used to hand out the trophies for the women's championship.

As I mentioned earlier I've enjoyed reading about the British royals for quite awhile now since before Diana married Prince Charles. I've always admired Katharine Duchess of Kent, having seen pictures of her and watched her at Wimbledon over the years. I haven't had the occasion to see her speak, so it was nice to learn about her love of music and teaching. She's so modest, kind and understated about getting on with life and the tasks at hand. I knew that she'd given up Catholicism in order to marry Prince Edward. Fortunately, when the law was changed a few years ago, it enabled her to once again embrace the religion she'd grown up with and obviously missed. I believe one or two of her children also chose to worship in the Catholic faith.

A book published in 1979 first introduced me to the royal romances (to that date) of the House of Windsor, which included the love story and marriage between Prince Edward of Kent and Katharine Worsley.
Royal Romance: An Illustrated History of the Royal Love Affairs, by Lynn Picknett, 1979

ETA:
Oh, I see @cygnus answered your questions. I thought everyone knew what Charles looked like as a little boy, a pre-teen and an adolescent young man. :D He was rather cute, shy, sensitive and awkward, the anti-thesis of his sister Princess Anne, and not at all like his brash, confident and larger-than-life father Prince Philip. BTW, QEII's youngest son, Prince Edward of Wessex, was born in 1964 so he was not even a twinkle in his father's eye at this wedding. And Prince Andrew of York was around a year old, so he wasn't present. The Queen was only in the 9th year of her reign -- still very young.

There are lots of wonderful historical books on the House of Windsor (and on the 'grandmother of European royalty,' Queen Victoria). Some fascinating books:
Princes at War: The Bitter Battle Inside Britain's Royal Family in the Darkest Days of WWII, by Deborah Cadbury 2015
(provides a lot of detail about QEII's father and his brothers, the abdication crisis and behind-the-scenes emotional relationships between King George VI and his brothers that impacted some of the events of WWII) It's intriguing that both King George V and King George VI were second sons who ended up becoming king

Victoria's Daughters, by Jerrold M. Packard, 1999 (this book gives such fascinating insight on the lives and relationships between Queen Victoria, her daughters and their husbands -- offers pieces to the puzzle and the human stories behind many historical events of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, including the Russian Revolution and WWI)

The Reluctant King: The Life and Reign of King George VI, 1895-1952, by Sarah Bradford 1990

I mentioned handsome Prince William of Gloucester whom Prince Charles idolized -- the current Prince William was named after him. William of Gloucester's tragic love story and early death also provide pieces to the puzzle of the modern British royal family:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsUSWMvWPXw old Pathe clip as a baby with his parents Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester and Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkGxb6sGLv8 old Pathe clip as a child in the lead-up to Princess Elizabeth's wedding; and glimpses of his younger brother, the current Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SMX5kUDOas documentary: The Other Prince William

The fun thing about looking back at some of the earlier royal weddings is seeing the unbroken tradition of royal followers flocking to the venue and sleeping on the sidewalks in the lead-up to the big day. :lol:

That's so good of Princess Eugenie for sharing her physical health challenges. Thanks for providing the link @Garden Kitty. I'd never heard Eugenie had that problem. It reminds me of Prince Harry coming out last year to speak about his emotional struggles for which he'd sought mental health counseling. His revelations helped a lot of people. These are examples of the young generation of modern British royals in action, reaching out to change people's perceptions and to correct misperceptions, and in the process inspiring others. I'm hoping that Princess Eugenie's wedding might be televised in October. No announcement has been made yet regarding television access, but I believe there's more than enough interest. Royal weddings are a cause for celebration, even despite hers likely being a smaller and more intimate family celebration.
 
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Prince Edward, Duke of Kent is the oldest son of Prince Michael, Duke of Kent (who died in a plane crash during WWII). Prince Michael was a younger brother of King George VI, so Prince Edward Duke of Kent is Queen Elizabeth's first cousin. He was the man in military uniform at 2018 TofC who supported QE II by sitting next to her during the trooping in the absence of the Duke of Edinburgh. The Duke of Kent also rode in the carriage with Harry & Meghan at TofC.

The son of George Duke of Kent (and Marina of Greece the Duchess of Kent). They had three children- Edward (the current Duke, married to Katherine), Princess Alexandra, and Prince Michael. Michael was only a few weeks old when his father was killed in the flying accident.
 
The son of George Duke of Kent (and Marina of Greece the Duchess of Kent). They had three children- Edward (the current Duke, married to Katherine), Princess Alexandra, and Prince Michael. Michael was only a few weeks old when his father was killed in the flying accident.

Yes, thanks for the correction. I got the names entirely mixed up -- there are so many Georges in the Windsor family. ;) Right, Prince Michael is the younger brother of Prince Edward of Kent and served as his older brother's best man at the 1961 wedding linked earlier (to Katharine Worsley, per spelling cited in several sources). It was surely difficult for the children of Princess Marina and Prince George to have lost their father. Prince Michael much later was swept off his feet by a divorced woman, Marie Christine von Reibnitz (formerly married to Thomas Troubridge) -- now known as Princess Michael of Kent.

Prince George of Kent was one of the very handsome male Windsors (with unfortunately a decadent lifestyle that led to addictions he had trouble breaking -- his family almost breathed a sigh of relief mixed with grief when he died during WWII). And I'm not making that up either for anyone who thinks so. There are some interesting biographical details about Prince George of Kent provided in Princes at War, and in other books about the children of King George V and Queen Mary.

King George V had a gruff, inattentive father (King Edward VII), and thus George V in turn (although he loved his children) was strict, demanding and overbearing toward them. Queen Mary, despite also loving her children, remained stiff and unemotional around them. A couple of abusive nannies caused damage to the early development and personalities of especially Prince Edward (David) later Duke of Windsor, and Prince Albert (later King George VI), the older brothers of Prince George of Kent.

I think Prince Michael resembled his father Prince George somewhat, but his father was handsomer. Prince Michael's sister Princess Alexandra looked almost identical to their mother Princess Marina (long suffering wife of Prince George, England's 1920s and 1930s 'playboy' prince).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George,_Duke_of_Kent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9g88G3KZo4
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/...-Duke-of-Kent-Princess-Marina-Duchess-of-Kent
http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/prince-george-duke-of-kent-and-princess-marina-duchess-of-kent-12051
 
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@aftershocks it is clear you insist in having the last word - or words as you seem to use 10 where 1 would do. All I would say is look back over your previous comments as several times you state things that are just huge suppositions on your part and then get beyond defensive when others either call you out or basically disagree. I know you will probably write another dissertation in your reply but I am done with trying to converse with someone who sees no other point of view but their own and blasts others who do disagree.

To be fair, aftershocks does have a lot of energy invested in the royals - perhaps more than is good for her health. She sure does post a lot of links!.

And, she has far more knowledge about them than I and many others do, so I find her posts interesting.

But if you find her overly-long posts annoying, ignore is your friend.

If you don't want her to have the last word, come back at her with equal passion and conviction, and an equivalent amount of detail in your argument.
 
To be fair, aftershocks does have a lot of energy invested in the royals - perhaps more than is good for her health. She sure does post a lot of links!.

And, she has far more knowledge about them than I and many others do, so I find her posts interesting.

But if you find her overly-long posts annoying, ignore is your friend.

If you don't want her to have the last word, come back at her with equal passion and conviction, and an equivalent amount of detail in your argument.
I have found the Ignore button to be quite useful. I must say, though, every time I look for the last post in a thread.....it seems to be aftershocks. He/she gets around.
 
perhaps more than is good for her health

:lol: I believe my passions for figure skating and British royalty/ British history are fulfilling, entertaining and educational passions. OTOH, my addiction to FSU, may be the thing that's not good for my health. ;) :COP: :drama:

Otherwise, your post is fair, balanced and right on. :respec:


... every time I look for the last post in a thread.....it seems to be aftershocks. He/she gets around.

Tsk, tsk @AxelAnnie. How soon you forget. You OTOH, are unforgettable. :duh: I don't frequent that many threads on FSU, much less post in every thread on here. So jeez, if you are running into my posts so often, I'm aghast that we have the same topics of interest in common. :revenge:
 
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