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Maybe Hurtado and Khaliavin could go to Zahorski/Guerreiro's new coaches, because they certainly benefited from the change.
The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018
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Had Smart/Diaz been announced as a new partnership at the time Sara was giving interviews stating that any new partner had to be willing to train in Montreal? I think that once S/D teamed up and decided to stay in Montreal, Sara's thinking changed. She said in an interview with Inside Skating in March that she wanted a fresh start, another point of view, and she felt that the coaches in Moscow believed in her. It's possible that Kirill refused to train with anyone but Zhulin or refused to move from Moscow, but given that they began training together without a release from Russia for Kirill and no certainty that he would be released, my guess is that it didn't make sense to them for Kirill to move. And by the time he WAS released, it would have disrupted season preparations and created a new set of hassles. Regardless, their first season together was very successful - winning Spanish Nationals and going to Euros (and qualifying for Worlds under FEDH's standards, only for FEDH to snatch it away from them under realllly questionable "math").
This season is not going as I had hoped for them, but sometimes teams have to go through growing pains. We want development to be smooth and easy, but it doesn't always turn out that way, especially when there are injuries involved. I hope that they will be able to win the Olympic spot, but if it doesn't happen, at least Kirill has citizenship and they have another four years to work (and for us to enjoy their skating).
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Last year, Ilinykh/Zhiganshin received higher PCS in both SD and FD in France than Hubbell/Donohue and Gilles/Poirier. It seemed like they were set up by the judges to win silver, but I/Z`s mistakes in the FD prevented that. So, I do think there is a possibility for S/B to end up on the podium, but it`s going to to be difficult.It ain't gonna happen as it's not Russia*
*to paraphrase Carole Lane
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I think it's not outside the realm of possibility either indeed. They're steadily improving and they can skate & perform even better than the last time.
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Yes Russian teams have won medals! Very shocking. For all the accusations of Russia fixing dance no Russia team has any chance at gpf and Russian ice dance has totally died. I think that’s shocking because of all the allegations of Russia fixing dance from carol lane and others. It seems even if every Russian dance team is a total failure like this season people still accuse Russia of fixing dance.
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I have the feeling S/B are (perceived?) ahead of G/F this season, Rostelecom was quite a big hit for them (defeating G/P). Now it's probably a good time for one of the russian teams after B/S to gain momentum as the future leading team after 2018. I was sure it would be S/B, but now S/K scored really high too (but that may/should be a one time thing).
Funny that the top 3 going into this GP were all on the GPF podium in 2014-15.
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I know you didn’t! The medals can be seen as deserved. I think that the lack of any real success - the peak is a gp silver! For Russia! In Russia! - Indicates a lack of fixing or even care from Russia about ice dance. to people like Carol lane however who don’t believe any Russian teams are talented or deserve any medals including silver and bronze are results of fixing! Even 4th place no medal for s/k is fixing? Why fix a 4th place?
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I can't believe I missed that. This was the 3 teams rivalry from the 2014-2015 season !
That got me suddenly so excited for the weekend haha. I thought this was an amazing season by the way, since it was time for new teams to prove themselves post-Sochi. It's incredible what happened in 3 years... 
It's complicated, when they have just paired up Zhulin didn't want to lose Kirill and potentially strong European team as he has already lost Alisa/Alper and Nasarova/Nikitin that year. Also there were some rumors that Kirill had or still has a contract with the owners of the rink and/or Zhulin and couldn't have left Moscow even if he wanted to do it.
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I can't believe I missed that. This was the 3 teams rivalry from the 2014-2015 season !
Things have moved around so much this quadriennial compared to the 2010-2014 (at lest at the very top; teams have switched placements around a lot in the top 6-8). In 2010 it was already predictable that D/W & V/M would be on the top steps for the next 4 years and in Sochi.
We had P/C rising fast in the ranks, V/M coming back, C/L unexpectedly winning worlds, C/B vs Shibs splitting the role of top US team + H/D coming in last season, W/P with their ups and downs, the whole drama of Russia ice dance with the splits and B/S not being able to capitalize, etc.
In Sochi the 1-4 placements stayed the same in the SD and in the FD, and the points gap was wide for ice dance (1 to 2: 4.5 pts, 2 to 3: 7.5 pts, 3 to 4: 6 pts. I doubt it will be the same this year, especially between 1-2 and then it will be a mess between 3 and 8.
It ain't gonna happen as it's not Russia*
*to paraphrase Carole Lane
Well she would say that!
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French GP :
TC : Christine Hurth, France
TS : Marie Bowness, Canada
ATS : Francesca Fermi, Italy
We got a French TC last week, we get a Canadian TS for this one. So not going to advance anything, and since last week the French TC did a good job (even if he's not the one to decides levels but still), I'm okay with this too. And I hope same fairness between WeaPo and Chock/Bates.
EDIT : I think Marie Bowness is notoriously "tougher" though or not as lenient as others. I don't think I've ever seen her in competition where full on level4s are given, V/M included (with data from last year and this year). Correct me if I'm wrong !
TC : Christine Hurth, France
TS : Marie Bowness, Canada
ATS : Francesca Fermi, Italy
We got a French TC last week, we get a Canadian TS for this one. So not going to advance anything, and since last week the French TC did a good job (even if he's not the one to decides levels but still), I'm okay with this too. And I hope same fairness between WeaPo and Chock/Bates.
EDIT : I think Marie Bowness is notoriously "tougher" though or not as lenient as others. I don't think I've ever seen her in competition where full on level4s are given, V/M included (with data from last year and this year). Correct me if I'm wrong !
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I agree that having Bowness as the TC isn't usually an advantage for Canadian teams. It's good for P/C to get her here because if there is a level issue, they can fix it for later in the season. For WeaPo and C/B, they better be ready to show they deserve the levels they want.
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I don't think so... now that's something I'd love to know.
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I am interested in Stepanova / Bukin levels the most. Will they hold up or not?
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For what it's worth:
Marie Bowness has called three international events this season: Autumn Classic, Finlandia, and the Italy JGP.
-Soucisse & Firus had a personal best this season with Bowness as the caller at Finlandia.
-Both Canadian junior teams placed higher at JGP Italy than they were ranked coming into the event.
-Weaver & Poje and Gilles & Poirier had lower levels than I would have anticipated at Autumn Classic. Obviously, all the Canadian teams finished top three there. W&P changed their whole FD after that event. They had 4 level 3s in the SD there.
-We'll find out. Stepanova & Bukin had a level one rhumba and two level twos in the footwork at Finlandia.
-Guignard & Fabbri blew the twizzles at Rostelecom. And bailed on a lift at Lombardia. Don't know what they can score yet with a clean skate on neutral ground.
Marie Bowness has called three international events this season: Autumn Classic, Finlandia, and the Italy JGP.
-Soucisse & Firus had a personal best this season with Bowness as the caller at Finlandia.
-Both Canadian junior teams placed higher at JGP Italy than they were ranked coming into the event.
-Weaver & Poje and Gilles & Poirier had lower levels than I would have anticipated at Autumn Classic. Obviously, all the Canadian teams finished top three there. W&P changed their whole FD after that event. They had 4 level 3s in the SD there.
-We'll find out. Stepanova & Bukin had a level one rhumba and two level twos in the footwork at Finlandia.
-Guignard & Fabbri blew the twizzles at Rostelecom. And bailed on a lift at Lombardia. Don't know what they can score yet with a clean skate on neutral ground.
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They are still a relatively new team that have improved a lot since last season.
They are likely to keep getting PBs if they can skate their programs clean.
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So far in the GP series, we can see three tiers in the SD scores for the top 10 teams from last year's worlds (with the exception of W/P's rough skate today). Also, there's a gap between each grouping of scores.
1) >80
2) High 70's (rounded 76-78)
3) Low 70's (rounded 70-74)
Levels have been very important in sifting the performances so far, as expected. Of these teams, only G/P and S/B are not clearing 36 in the SD PCS (they're more than a point shy so far), which to me indicates they're not yet seen as part of that "bronze contender" glut of teams. And obviously, you'd much rather have banked a SD score in that second tier rather than the third tier heading into the FD.
No reason for alarm yet, but C/B haven't reached the high 70's yet this season. H/D are consistently getting there now, and their PCS this season has been close to the other Olympic bronze medal contenders.
1) >80
2) High 70's (rounded 76-78)
3) Low 70's (rounded 70-74)
Levels have been very important in sifting the performances so far, as expected. Of these teams, only G/P and S/B are not clearing 36 in the SD PCS (they're more than a point shy so far), which to me indicates they're not yet seen as part of that "bronze contender" glut of teams. And obviously, you'd much rather have banked a SD score in that second tier rather than the third tier heading into the FD.
No reason for alarm yet, but C/B haven't reached the high 70's yet this season. H/D are consistently getting there now, and their PCS this season has been close to the other Olympic bronze medal contenders.
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Apparently they almost WD because Kaitlyn had a displaced rib. And then Andrew crashed into the boards in the warmup. https://twitter.com/WeaverPoje/status/931587997430091776
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Actually C/B haven't had a level4 Rumba... That is what surprised me, at their level they cannot afford that, that will keep them always under 75 if they don't get it. WeaPo didn't get it today either, but they did at Skate Canada (I'll take that as a very bad day today).
I think Shibs can make a statement next week and definitely score a 77-78 (maybe close to 79) if they go clean.
I think Shibs can make a statement next week and definitely score a 77-78 (maybe close to 79) if they go clean.
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...Back to a level 2 on the Rhumba.
There were three level 4's awarded for the pattern here, but they were scattered across the placements--
1) Papadakis/Cizeron, 7) Loboda/Drozd, and 9) Kaliszek/Spodyriev
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That's certainly true, but it was a huge improvement in score from their first competition in the season (with an admittedly stingy panel). It isn't all due to TES, they improved on their component marks, too, but it probably sticks out in memory because of how much of a gain it was.
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I think they haven't been taught properly. They have the skating skills, the incredible lines, the speed and everything, but their rumba doesn't reflect ANY of that. I don't get it.
This is me being mean, but both Chock/Bates and WeaPo cannot hope for an Olympic medal with a level 3 rumba. It's the 2nd time for C/B. At this level I would expect the top 8 teams to have level4 no matter what.
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Don't understand what's going on with C/B, SD was their strong point too. They seem to be going from bad to worst this past year. I like them as people but they are just mismatched and don't have the SS of the top teams. The Shibs keep improving, especially in the SD this year. They skate with more power it seems, plus they're extremely consistent. H/D are just exploding now finally fulfilling their potential. C/B need to regroup fast. Their SD has potential too, I like the music and Madison can sell it like nobody's business. I also find him better than their funk SD last year. Just nail those levels.
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A thing relatively easy to fix is Madison´s dress, I have no problem with her dress, but the amount of people who hate it can´t be ignored. About the rhumba pattern, what is not supposed Igor is a specialist in that? I mean, he has always been praised for his technical level and getting his teams to achieve good levels.
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Which moment / key point they tend to miss / mess up?
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In China the first one ( 1st and 2nd are choctaws by the 2 partners, if one messes up, 1KP is "N" even if the other is perfect) and now it's the last one, which are the last step after the chassé : they have to be clean and have the deep enough edges.
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