The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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MarieM said:
Scott has to fall back in the background more IMO. And that will be great when he does that. Like it does work better in the FD.
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This is such a traditionalist attitude. I'm not going to say it's wrong, because it could be the judges favor the more classic female-centered presentation. But it IS very traditionalist. And I for one don't agree with it. I actually love it that Scott is so out there in this SD. I think he does an amazing job. every time I watch it, I'm just smiling at how, well, ballsy of a performance it is. Personally I love it.
 
MarieM said:
But I do like lots of FDs this season :D You are mean.:EVILLE:
P&C, V&M, H&D, W&P, B&Solov (yeah I do), Shibs (hell yeah), StepBukin, C&B (despite that horrid music), C&L (even if I'm waiting for a better camera work)
And down the ranks, I do also love many FDs.

The SDs I all hate with a passion but for the brits.
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I love watching Latin ballroom and am sadly disappointed at most of the SDs.

But W/P and H/D's SDs are good, with some Latin feeling to them. IMHO. The Brits have good choreo but their affect is as Latin as white bread spread with refried beans.
 
PRlady said:
I love watching Latin ballroom and am sadly disappointed at most of the SDs.

But W/P and H/D's SDs are good, with some Latin feeling to them. IMHO. The Brits have good choreo but their affect is as Latin as white bread spread with refried beans.
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I like Weaver's and Poje's, thanks for pointing that out! I hadn't watched it yet.
 
Anyasnake said:
Well that's not ideal. I don't want a Canadian TC or TS when P/C skate and a French one when V/M skate. Same with Russia ad USA when B/S and the US teams skate.
But the most important is who is the Tech specialist ? He gets to decide the levels not the TC.
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The TC can call for a review if they disagree with a level call and can be the deciding vote if there is disagreement between the two specialists. I feel like people should understand how a panel works by now ;)
 
marbri said:
The TC can call for a review if they disagree with a level call and can be the deciding vote if there is disagreement between the two specialists. I feel like people should understand how a panel works by now ;)
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I know that :D but still I think the 1st call is important. But I'm hoping for good judging.
You don't want an American TS ? I certainly don't want an Italian one...
EDIT : Thinking about it... what if we have Canada, France, USA and Russia as TC, TS, ATS and Referee (not in that order) at the Olys ? They'll tear each other apart ad each score will take 20 minutes to appear :rofl:
 
Anyasnake said:
I know that :D but still I think the 1st call is important. But I'm hoping for good judging.
You don't want an American TS ? I certainly don't want an Italian one...
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The panel shares responsibilities so it's the whole that is important, not a single person.
 
clairecloutier said:
This is such a traditionalist attitude. I'm not going to say it's wrong, because it could be the judges favor the more classic female-centered presentation. But it IS very traditionalist. And I for one don't agree with it. I actually love it that Scott is so out there in this SD. I think he does an amazing job. every time I watch it, I'm just smiling at how, well, ballsy of a performance it is. Personally I love it.
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IMHO it has nothing to do with traditionalist attitude.
It has to do with what their dance is about.

In the first showing of their FD, it wasn't working 100%.
It felt dramatic, overly dramatic and it didn't make sense as at least some (me among them) were clueless about the transition between parts.
First part was dramatic tango centered around Roxanne / Tessa, second part mushy romance between characters represented by Tessa and Scott, third part was her death. Their succession seemed random.
It was all "in the story" but not dramatically coherent within the 4 minutes of the choreo.
It didn't have an dramatic axis.
I didn't know if I was supposed to be emotionally invested in her or in that couple, hence I didn't know who I was supposed to be sorry for when she was dying. (and I was quite curious about how they were going to solve that)

Now as Scott scaled back his interpretation, became gray, as the costumes went from dramatic to graphic,
dancers are no more characters, this is not drama (hence no need for a dramatic axis).
Moulin Rouge is a metaphore or a recap of that couple's career, and the center of the dance is Tessa, dressed in her red graphic tango dress.
Tango Tessa, romantic Tessa, dying Tessa. Facets of Tessa. And Scott as her mirror/partner.
Then it has an axis, a thematic one. It is coherent.
And it has an emotional impact as it is not about Roxanne and the male character I don't remember the name.
It is about the "legacy" and the goodbye of this couple of dancers who have enliven (senior) ice dance for the past 10 years.
And any ice dance fan is able to get emotional about that.
 
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marbri said:
The panel shares responsibilities so it's the whole that is important, not a single person.
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During the Euros 2017, there was quite the fight between the italian TC and the french ATS... (words from a spectator seated above). Firmly disagreeing (and rightfully so, the calls were... weird).
Anyway, I don't want a full on Euro block or NA block for the tech Panel for sure.
 
Anyasnake said:
During the Euros 2017, there was quite the fight between the italian TC and the french ATS... (words from a spectator seated above). Firmly disagreeing (and rightfully so, the calls were... weird).
Anyway, I don't want a full on Euro block or NA block for the tech Panel for sure.
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So in that case if the two couldn´t agree the TC would step in and be the third vote.
 
Anyasnake said:
Talking about the French judge, he posted a very intersting tweet some months ago ! About the maximum scores for Senior Ice Dance.
(I don't know if that has been posted already, but it's good to keep tracks of this sort of things)

https://twitter.com/_David_Molina/status/880019972919095296

SD : 85.3 (TES 45.3+PCs 40)
FD : 124.7 (TES 64.70+PCs 60)
Total : 210.
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It's very likely that both those scores will be approched this year...
I wonder if they'll think of the possibility to expand the GOEs from +/-3 to +/-4 or 5. If P/C continue competing after the OG, I don't know where their scores, especially in the FD, will go tbh...
 
Miloune said:
It's very likely that both those scores will be approched this year...
I wonder if they'll think of the possibility to expand the GOEs from +/-3 to +/-4 or 5. If P/C continue competing after the OG, I don't know where their scores, especially in the FD, will go tbh...
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They will continue after the OG.
I think at Tallinn Trophy this year (21-26 Nov.) they will experiment the -5/+5 GOEs I believe. I think I saw that in the Rockerskating blog. They have no choice, the scores are reaching the ceilling.
 
Yep, I think it's more likely they'll continue in their careers. I believe they said in an interview something like: "We will continue, otherwise we would have to figure out what to do with our lives." :D
 
Anyasnake said:
They will continue after the OG.
I think at Tallinn Trophy this year (21-26 Nov.) they will experiment the -5/+5 GOEs I believe. I think I saw that in the Rockerskating blog. They have no choice, the scores are reaching the ceilling.
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Really? That's interesting! I think they should at least put them for the twizzles, and step sequences. For the lifts, I think they should review the levels maybe...

Isabelle.G said:
Yep, I think it's more likely they'll continue in their careers. I believe they said in an interview something like: "We will continue, otherwise we would have to figure out what to do with our lives." :D
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Haha yes I think they'll continue, and otherwise we wouldn't know what to do with our lives either! :p
Plus I think they could experiment more. They could take some risks next year...
 
Miloune said:
Really? That's interesting! I think they should at least put them for the twizzles, and step sequences. For the lifts, I think they should review the levels maybe...
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I agree very much with that statement :D But I'll still try GOEs with lifts.
And they have to review PCS too because it's reaching the ceiling on its own too. Both for singles/Pairs, and Dance.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
I must be feeling some kind of way today because I seriously like Chock/Bates’ FD. Like I really like it.
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First congratulations for your coming wedding and my best wishes of happiness !

Second I'm with you on this. Il liked C/B 's FD (minus the too many accrobatic lifts but it is their thing) but I also wonder on a number of choregraphic elements that remind me of P/C's FD. What do you think ?
 
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