The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Of course Zhulin has a team. And there is no reason he shouldn't go with Sinitsina & Katsalapov to a competition.

maya1985 said:
B/S, C/L (and P/C) will most certainly make the European championships.
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Oh, I agree that it's likely. I think it's always best to compete. Show your stuff. Even if you don't get the scores in your competition's backyard, you can show you deserve them. And if you walk away with the high placement, it is so much more impressive.

But it's early to say "most certainly."

Two top teams chose not to compete at Europeans during the last Olympic cycle. Bobrova & Soloviev and Pechalat & Bourzat revamped programs after the GPF. It's the Olympic season. If things don't go as well as someone hopes, then the drive to go the extra mile is there.

What is different about the last couple seasons, I think, is that we've seen enough movement mid-season among these teams that hopefully we will not see anyone overreact to a low score. I always preferred P&B's original SD, and--despite the criticism--I thought B&S's FD was very difficult and could have been made stronger, albeit without the cawing at the ceiling.

Which is not to say that I would mind if a few programs were redone right now.
 
Junior Dance Scores heading into the JGPF:

Good luck figuring out what these mean. We have six different JGP winners this season! This is insane. Note how the team with the second highest overall score also has the lowest overall score (two sets of messy twizzles in that performance). The team with the highest FD score is 4th overall. And also third from the bottom. The team with the second highest SD score also has the lowest SD score (fall). The team with the highest overall score also has the second lowest FD score (I don't recall any obvious errors in that performance, just lower levels). Carreira & Ponomarenko are the only team to have won two events. There seems to be fairly good coherence with Polischuk & Vakhnov's scores and with P&V, Ushakova & Nekrasov, and Shevchenko & Eremenko's SD scores. Otherwise, not so much.

Overall:
Skoptcova & Aleshin 150.78
Lajoie & Lagha 150.30
Carreira & Ponomarenko 150.05
Ushakova & Nekrasov 149.01
Polischuk & Vakhnov 146.78
Polischuk & Vakhnov 145.86
Carreira & Ponomarenko 145.39
Shevchenko & Eremenko 145.05
Skoptcova & Aleshin 143.64
Ushakova & Nekrasov 142.94
Shevchenko & Eremenko 140.91
Lajoie & Lagha 138.92

SD:
Skoptcova & Aleshin 64.63
Carreira & Ponomarenko 63.77
Lajoie & Lagha 62.89
Skoptcova & Aleshin 61.71
Polischuk & Vakhnov 61.44
Polischuk & Vakhnov 61.08
Ushakova & Nekrasov 61.07
Ushakova & Nekrasov 59.62
Shevchenko & Eremenko 59.97
Shevchenko & Eremenko 58.87
Lajoie & Lagha 58.55
Carreira & Ponomarenko 57.82

FD:
Ushakova & Nekrasov 87.94
Carreira & Ponomarenko 87.57
Lajoie & Lagha 87.41
Carreira & Ponomarenko 86.28
Skoptcova & Aleshin 86.15
Polischuk & Vakhnov 85.34
Shevchenko & Eremenko 85.08
Polischuk & Vakhnov 84.78
Ushakova & Nekrasov 83.32
Shevchenko & Eremenko 82.04
Skoptcova & Aleshin 81.93
Lajoie & Lagha 80.37

*Withdrawn early from the JGP, likely due to injury
Shpilevaya & Smirnov Overall 139.83, SD 60.11, FD 79.72
 
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Coming here from the V/M thread because sap5 was asking about folks' opinion on W/P's short dance. I loved it! I thought it was very authentic to the Cuban music and style, it was coherent all the way through. Loved the last step sequence. I think it will be excellent once they feel comfortable with it and can skate it out. Really liked the transition to the Rhumba pattern, the music picked up very nicely and that's apparently what the judges want to see...a definite change in the music for the Rhumba. It felt very "dance-y" to me all the way through. I really hope they get good marks for it, to me, it's a great SD.
 
~tapdancer~ said:
Coming here from the V/M thread because sap5 was asking about folks' opinion on W/P's short dance. I loved it! I thought it was very authentic to the Cuban music and style, it was coherent all the way through. Loved the last step sequence. I think it will be excellent once they feel comfortable with it and can skate it out. Really liked the transition to the Rhumba pattern, the music picked up very nicely and that's apparently what the judges want to see...a definite change in the music for the Rhumba. It felt very "dance-y" to me all the way through. I really hope they get good marks for it, to me, it's a great SD.
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Some people gave their opinion when they presented it https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...inki-back-seeking-rhumba-magic.101001/page-34.

I like it, my only problem are the costumes, but I think I read somewhere that they said that those are not their definitive costumes, I think the change will help them a lot.
 
Dobre said:
Of course Zhulin has a team. And there is no reason he shouldn't go with Sinitsina & Katsalapov to a competition.



Oh, I agree that it's likely. I think it's always best to compete. Show your stuff. Even if you don't get the scores in your competition's backyard, you can show you deserve them. And if you walk away with the high placement, it is so much more impressive.

But it's early to say "most certainly."

Two top teams chose not to compete at Europeans during the last Olympic cycle. Bobrova & Soloviev and Pechalat & Bourzat revamped programs after the GPF. It's the Olympic season. If things don't go as well as someone hopes, then the drive to go the extra mile is there.

What is different about the last couple seasons, I think, is that we've seen enough movement mid-season among these teams that hopefully we will not see anyone overreact to a low score. I always preferred P&B's original SD, and--despite the criticism--I thought B&S's FD was very difficult and could have been made stronger, albeit without the cawing at the ceiling.

Which is not to say that I would mind if a few programs were redone right now.
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Since the Europeans championship is in Moscow this year, I think B/S will compete there. Things are always uncertain with P/C; they may either compete there to show their latest stuff before the most important competition of this season or pass it and work and work and work for the Olympics...
 
@sap5 First impression on w/p's first outing sd: I don't hate it. A whole lot tamer than I'd hoped to see from them, especially after their 2011-12 SD. Still look rough overall (i.e. botched twizzles, loss of unison on some parts). However, I actually saw potential in some of the choreography moves. Love the different hand holds/exchanges as they skated. Thought music choices and transition into the two was complementary. A bit mellow. Would have liked a faster tempo for them to open program though. As is, my observation is they looked like they skated "heavy" at the start (partly due to song) but did (sort of) picked up at the faster music. They just need more oomph at the last half of their program to fit the upbeat tempo. The lift hmmm ... ok how can I say this ... because Kaitlyn's top look were more suited for lindy hop dance, the lift (to me) looks like a hybrid between one you'd do for a lindy hop dance and latin. It's still early yet. I'm looking forward to see how they've progressed and/or improved (skate wise and costume wise) on the next outing.
 
Goody2shoes said:
A whole lot tamer than I'd hoped to see from them, especially after their 2011-12 SD.
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It seems the teams who competed the rhumba that season are making a concerted effort to look completely different than they did then. I could be wrong. The first outing of their current SD was a bit rough but I think they have a great program that simply needs mileage. I prefer to focus on the skating vs. the costuming, but there were moments at ACI that I felt the skirt was wearing Kaitlyn and not the reverse, which I found distracting and quite possibly inhibiting her movement a bit.
 
As far as WP goes, I don't love their SD yet, but I think I will until February. What I do love is that they choose to do more of a street style dance rather than the ballroom style, it's interesting and it stands out. They do need to think about the costumes, I'm really glad those are not staying, they just didn't fit and were incredibly distracting
 
Emilia12 said:
As far as WP goes, I don't love their SD yet, but I think I will until February. What I do love is that they choose to do more of a street style dance rather than the ballroom style, it's interesting and it stands out. They do need to think about the costumes, I'm really glad those are not staying, they just didn't fit and were incredibly distracting
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I've only watched their SD once so far--all I remember about it was feeling :confused::confused: at the costume choice. Like you said, very distracting. Hopefully they change costumes before Skate Canada.
 
Asking why zhulin would go anywhere with generally pathetic loser team like s/k instead of staying with b/s who are Russia’s only hope of top 5 maybe is a legit question! You send assistant with s/k. Surely he doesn’t want b/s to have the extreme embrassment and humiliation of their 2017 worlds again.
 
During the height of their popularity as a coaching duo, there were times when Shpilband/Zoueva attended smaller competitions and Junior events including those the called for them to be out of the country while their big name seniors who were medal contenders were home training with the team.
 
caseyedwards said:
Asking why zhulin would go anywhere with generally pathetic loser team like s/k instead of staying with b/s who are Russia’s only hope of top 5 maybe is a legit question! You send assistant with s/k. Surely he doesn’t want b/s to have the extreme embrassment and humiliation of their 2017 worlds again.
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Extreme embarassment and humiliation? They were 3rd in the free dance, a result not many would have expected before the event. Am I missing something? :confused:
 
MRani said:
Extreme embarassment and humiliation? They were 3rd in the free dance, a result not many would have expected before the event. Am I missing something? :confused:
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They are the first Russian number one ice dance team not to medal at the worlds before the Olympics!
 
caseyedwards said:
They are the first Russian number one ice dance team not to medal at the worlds before the Olympics!
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The ice dance field is pretty deep these days and there are a lot of very strong teams. I don’t think not medalling in this field equals extreme humiliation no matter what country you’re from. You’re doing B/S a disservice by framing it that way.
 
MRani said:
The ice dance field is pretty deep these days and there are a lot of very strong teams. I don’t think not medalling in this field equals extreme humiliation no matter what country you’re from. You’re doing B/S a disservice by framing it that way.
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B/S are doing themselves and Russia the disservice. They don’t exist in a vacuum. They haven’t been Slovakia’s number one team for 7 years. I don’t see from them the pursuit of excellence that would honor the legacy of Russian ice dance.
 
What is obvious is that when Volkov and Samohin left Zhulin's rink, something went missing: presicion and technic. Now, whenever his teams are out, they're getting worse.
Both FD are quite fine, but neither B&S or Vika&Nikita are skating them well and that's three weeks AFTER the test skates where they did skate them well.

And not going with Bobrova in the challenger but going with Nikita in a stupid russian cup competition? Really?
 
MarieM said:
What is obvious is that when Volkov and Samohin left Zhulin's rink, something went missing: presicion and technic. Now, whenever his teams are out, they're getting worse.
Both FD are quite fine, but neither B&S or Vika&Nikita are skating them well and that's three weeks AFTER the test skates where they did skate them well.
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Agree. Zhulin needs a real tech coach instead of Durnev.
Maybe he can ask Gorshkov for a help as he doesn't have any senior team right now but both his junior teams (Konkina/Yakushev and Ushakova/Nekrasov) had really good levels at JGP events.

MarieM said:
And not going with Bobrova in the challenger but going with Nikita in a stupid russian cup competition? Really?
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He was with Bob in Bratislava. So far he has missed only FinTrophy with Sara and Kirill but was at all other events (even at Nebelhorn with Belarus and Latvian teams)
 
IMO, the one coaching team that needs a tech specialist ASAP is Svinin/Zhuk. I personally don`t care much about Stepanove/Bukin, but that coaching team has with Shpilevaya/Smirnov and Shevchenko/Eremenko two very lovely junior teams in their group and they have been showered with levels 2s on their step sequences and patterns during the JGP. If they want S/E or S/S to have any chance to qualify for that Junior Worlds team they need to fix that, especially with the Gorshkov teams nailing their tech.
 
MarieM said:
What is obvious is that when Volkov and Samohin left Zhulin's rink, something went missing: presicion and technic. Now, whenever his teams are out, they're getting worse.
Both FD are quite fine, but neither B&S or Vika&Nikita are skating them well and that's three weeks AFTER the test skates where they did skate them well.

And not going with Bobrova in the challenger but going with Nikita in a stupid russian cup competition? Really?
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Maybe he feels B/S are responsible and driven enough to work hard while he is away while S/K perhaps need someone on top of them all the time to keep working & not to pull stupid stunts.
 
Maybe it's about the fact that this is likely B and S 's last season and Russia is looking to foster their hope for the next cycle
 
barbarafan said:
Maybe he feels B/S are responsible and driven enough to work hard while he is away while S/K perhaps need someone on top of them all the time to keep working & not to pull stupid stunts.
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There’s no reason to believe this when in their worlds 2017 SD b/s got a level 2 element
 
Exactly. His school lacks a real technical coach. And all his teams do have lots of problems getting their levels. Sara&Kyril are a very good example there too.
 
chantilly said:
Maybe it's about the fact that this is likely B and S 's last season and Russia is looking to foster their hope for the next cycle
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I think for the next cycle they should be looking to their brilliant juniors. For the last 2 yrs there have been numerous amazing ice dance teams from Russia.
 
MarieM said:
Exactly. His school lacks a real technical coach. And all his teams do have lots of problems getting their levels. Sara&Kyril are a very good example there too.
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The top 10 worlds SD TES base values tell all. Russian teams tied for lowest base value. Most teams had 3 or more level 4 elements b/s only had 2. There is almost no knowledge in Russia to get technical levels where they need to be.
 
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