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liv said:
Other than the music, I also really dislike it when she stops and poses, trying to be sultry.
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…. And at what point does Missy Kaetlyn thinks it is fittin’? When Clara sings it to her newborn? Or at Clara’s funeral when Bess is holding the child waiting for a fix of happy dust?.....it ain’t fittin’, it just ain’t fittin……

It is a solid programme........ given the choreo, she should take out the words, and keep it instrumental... unless she plans to have "fish jumping" out of her bra when she wiggles..... :lol:

The "Swan" is a also a strong well choreographed programme. But here she needs more "drama" in her movements. That dress is of good design, but very wrong proportions for her body... it needs to be pulled up/start higher and smller skirt, otherwise it makes her legs look short, especially from the back.
 
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nadioso said:
Osmond's black swan is a masterpiece.

Also loved Larkyn's Great Gatsby LP. Hopefully she stops doing turns going into the 3T in her combos. She did this with both 3S-3T in the short and 2A-3T in the long.
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I was pretty 'meh' when I heard KO's music choices. While I do wish she stretched a little, I was satisfied with the short and rather blown away by the long.

There is nuance in the long that she pulls off real well. Precise yet natural arms, back and head (I'm a huge fan of choreographing the head/face and not enough skaters do this) and some gorgeous highlights such as after the first spin the exit rotations in ballet position. Wow. Real moments. This is gonna slay on the GP and pull in 9s.

I remember hating the short this time last year and eating my words come the GP. I think most of us will warm up to the short when it's cooked.

Already this season I'm seeing the airs and attack of a champion. She didn't have that last year. She hit that 3L like she was pee'd off. And I think if she had planned to go for everything it might have been a clean program.

Go, girl, go.

Larkyn - I still say she is the only one who can knock Alaine off, but a ways to go. Decent start. She's really attacking the flip and lutz. Good packaging and choreo although I'm kinda over Gatsby. The opening cut of music is good though.
 
I liked the SP and I did not expect yo given the music
I do not like the cut of the skirt on the dress
Very Tonya K.
 
Love the black swan program, hopefully dress is amped up more an agreed needs to fit higher seems almost too big for her, perhaps even a headpiece? She's in good shape so early in the season, can tell it's Olympic year.
 
The LP is so much stronger than the short. Masterpiece? No. Strong and will do the job? Yes.

I was so happy to see her owning her inner diva-b!tch that I ended up having a moment :cheer: really proud of her.

I think the choreography is strong from start to finish, but she still needs to give a lot of the movements (even the very opening) more definition with her arms and upper-body to really become the Swan IMO. I loved her spins, the catch foot camel into the musical upright spin is lovely. The program is well constructed and has a very strong music edit. Karen Chen has a much better spiral.

Overall this far exceeded my expectations and Jeff Buttle gets another gold star. :rockstar: Lance seems like a wonderful guy but he should start over with the short IMO. I worry (who am I kidding? No I don't!) that she'll need the LP to move up to 2nd place in the standings.

Phillip Mills - this is why you don't "trademark" a warhorse piece of music like Black Swan to yourself when a student changes your choreography to fit their needs. :shuffle: Other choreographers can do a good job, too..

Her jumps are seriously impressive. The height she gets when they're "on" is just gasp. :wideeyes:
 
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So I watched both of Kaetlyn's programs twice. First off, she looks to be in great shape for this point of the season! Her speed & power is excellent, and her jumps are looking super-strong.

I like both programs more than I expected. The "Summertime" SP has potential and I don't mind it, but it needs to grow in interpretation. My impression is she's not really feeling the rhythm/music that much right now, but that should come with more practice. I don't know if I see this program being amazing for her, but it definitely should get the job done.

Black Swan is better than I expected. I doubted this choice for Kaetlyn because I don't see her as a particularly balletic skater. But the choreography smartly emphasizes her power/strength, rather than balletic positions, so I think it works in that sense. I agree with @Karpenko that the upright spin is a highlight, and the step sequence is excellent. I think the whole thing works, and I could easily see it on the podium in Korea or elsewhere.
 
Tinami Amori said:
…. And at what point does Missy Kaetlyn thinks it is fittin’? When Clara sings it to her newborn? Or at Clara’s funeral when Bess is holding the child waiting for a fix of happy dust?.....it ain’t fittin’, it just ain’t fittin……
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It's a skating program, not a rendition of the ballet. one has to interpret the music, not the actual story. There is no point given to sticking to an original performance. :P
 
KO hasn't even started to perform these programs. All we need to look at is what I would call the 'bones' of the programs -- the layout, choreo etc...and then try to project what this will look like on the GP. Here, she's just out for a light jog and almost walking through the choreo. And even that was inspiring. When she injects these programs with her KO spritz and taps into her newfound inner diva as was aptly pointed out, there's going to be a lot of talk about her from all corners of the globe this fall.

Having said that, I have to be objective. The competition didn't really show up in Helsinki this spring, which made KO's path to the podium that much easier. This won't be the case in Korea as I expect about 8 ladies to really bring it, thus clouding the podium picture.
I will balance that comment with my belief that if she skates well, she will close the gap noticeably on Medvedeva. Gonna be a real competitive year, but she'll make sure she's right in there. Count on it.
 
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clairecloutier said:
Black Swan is better than I expected. I doubted this choice for Kaetlyn because I don't see her as a particularly balletic skater. But the choreography smartly emphasizes her power/strength, rather than balletic positions, so I think it works in that sense. I agree with @Karpenko that the upright spin is a highlight, and the step sequence is excellent. I think the whole thing works, and I could easily see it on the podium in Korea or elsewhere.
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Agreed! Also the 1st combospin fits the music pretty nicely and ends in a somewhat balletic attitude leg position. (I don't expect her to look and move like an actual trained ballerina on ice, but little "balletic" flourishes like that are nice.)
 
Loved KO and Black Swan. Not a fan AT ALL of Summertime. It is the music............Summertime needs to be sultry. It gets cutesy or uptempo. You can't mess around with Porgy & Bess like that.
I would love her to go back to last year's SP.
 
ChiquitaBanana said:
It's a skating program, not a rendition of the ballet. one has to interpret the music, not the actual story. There is no point given to sticking to an original performance. :p
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Yes but it's a little weird when the choreography is at odds with the lyrics. Summertime is a jazzy lullaby, not some kind of sexy showtune.
 
AxelAnnie said:
Summertime needs to be sultry. You can't mess around with Porgy & Bess like that.
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....said no one ever.

I remember having a discussion with someone years ago who said there was only one way to interpret Pink Panther and S/S violated it. Please. Interpretation isn't trademarked, you put your own mark on stuff with your own authentic style.

Ever heard the song BILLIE JEAN by Michael Jackson? Dance tune, right? Well, guess what, the latest renditions have all been rock ballads...and I've fallen in love with the song all over again.

Open your mind up and let KO who you that Summer can be quite the spirited time of year...and not all panting and sweaty.
 
Thanks @seabm7 for posting the dailymotion link. I kept refreshing their youtube page and nothing.

I finally got to see Austman. I don't think she can really pull of that music. But the flip and lutz seem there. Has she given up on the loop? That would be funny considering when she won jr nationals it was the only "hard" triple she had. She has popped it enough times though. Maybe she's reworking the technique. I think she will likely get the Skate Canada host pick and hopefully a senior international in Europe as a warmup.

I really liked both of Osmond's programs and I can't wait to see them build during the season.
 
Rock2 said:
....said no one ever.

I remember having a discussion with someone years ago who said there was only one way to interpret Pink Panther and S/S violated it. Please. Interpretation isn't trademarked, you put your own mark on stuff with your own authentic style.

Ever heard the song BILLIE JEAN by Michael Jackson? Dance tune, right? Well, guess what, the latest renditions have all been rock ballads...and I've fallen in love with the song all over again.

Open your mind up and let KO who you that Summer can be quite the spirited time of year...and not all panting and sweaty.
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How about not making it personal. IMO clasics are classic for a reason. Los music choice is a little of each...and IMO misses the mark either way.
 
ChiquitaBanana said:
I was talking about her LP, but it would still apply to an opera or a movie. Enough irony?
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Bull..... you highlighted only one phrase from my post, which was specifically about Summertime.

The irony is when "body wiggling and sultry gestures" are used bluntly inappropriately.

"Porgy and Bess" is an American Classic, of specific time and place, and with unique history. It covers subjects of poverty, despair, drug addiction, death and suffering. There is not one single note in the script and place in the libretto, in ALL 3 acts, where "sultry and butt-wiggling" is even remotely appropriate... let alone given the placement and lyrics of the Song. It is sang in 2 places, when Clara holding her infant walking among laboring women, and later when Bess, suffering from drug withdrawal, is holding this now an orphan child because Clara and her husband just died. Plus the LYRICS in the song are intended for a child - it is a Lullaby......

So, where according to you logic, is it appropriate to "wiggle your butt and act sultry"? during "sleep little baby"? the funeral? the suffering of invalid Porgy? the death of Clara? during Bess' cocaine shakes?

When is it fittin to do the bump and grind??
Here? when holding the child with other working women? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7-Qa92Rzbk

Here? after funeral?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLsDcWWaTHU

Here? when a drug dealer is trying to get Bess back on drugs, leave the baby and run off to New York and she calls him a snake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh5ijrsHx5Q

Ironic, is not it..... :rolleyes:
 
AxelAnnie said:
Not a fan AT ALL of Summertime. It is the music............Summertime needs to be sultry.
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Hmm. I've never thought of it as sultry before, but maybe it's because I hate the music so much that I find it hard to focus on the programs it is skated to.

I do recall Joannie Rochette skating to it, but don't recall it as being sultry. Joannie can play up the sex appeal like the best of them, but sultry, not IMO.

I would love her to go back to last year's SP.
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For once AxelAnnie and I actually agree on something.:)
 
Zazy said:
Yes but it's a little weird when the choreography is at odds with the lyrics. Summertime is a jazzy lullaby, not some kind of sexy showtune.
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Tinami Amori said:
The irony is when "body wiggling and sultry gestures" are used bluntly inappropriately.

"Porgy and Bess" is an American Classic, of specific time and place, and with unique history. It covers subjects of poverty, despair, drug addiction, death and suffering. There is not one single note in the script and place in the libretto, in ALL 3 acts, where "sultry and butt-wiggling" is even remotely appropriate... let alone given the placement and lyrics of the Song.
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Got to agree with these. Summertime musically to me has more of a blues feel vs a jazz feel. That inspires skaters to try to make it "sultry" which a lot of bluesy music can support. If a skater wants to skate to a completely instrumental version of Summertime and use it more abstractly, then sultry could work in a program. But with a lyric version, it's really incongruent to add the sex into it....trying to do so puts the skater perilously close to Olga Markova "Let My People Go" territory. (youtube it if you don't get the reference).
 
... I wish we'd have a strong third lady to send. Alaine has her place, but I guess I am jealous fo Russian and Japanese girls!
 
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Rock2 said:
....said no one ever.

I remember having a discussion with someone years ago who said there was only one way to interpret Pink Panther and S/S violated it. Please. Interpretation isn't trademarked, you put your own mark on stuff with your own authentic style.

Ever heard the song BILLIE JEAN by Michael Jackson? Dance tune, right? Well, guess what, the latest renditions have all been rock ballads...and I've fallen in love with the song all over again.

Open your mind up and let KO who you that Summer can be quite the spirited time of year...and not all panting and sweaty.
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It's not that people are being close minded (I think you know that though), it's that this style doesn't highlight Kaetlyn as well as last year. Is it strong choreography? Sure, but is it highlighting the best of what she has to offer as far as style/charisma? NO! She has so much more to offer artistically than what this SP will allow.

I also wish posters like @danafan would remove that bogus disclaimer on Medvedeva's scoring. I don't think you care how bad that's going to make you look this season to the non-Canadian fans, because it's clearly there to benefit Ms. Osmond. Hitting your program 12 times in a row is "making the difficult look easy". Kaetlyn has never even hit 12 programs in her career. It's a bunch of sniveling drivel that makes you look like a coward IMO. I wish you'd wake up and realize that people know damn well you wouldn't have that there if Evgenia were a Canadian. It's so disrespectful considering how much more she hits compared to Osmond or Daleman. You aren't as well respected in figure skating for your knowledge as you were gymnastics to be pulling crap like that.

That said I agree that Kaetlyn's programs this year are well done and she's technically one of the strongest skaters in the world. Her story will be the same as last year, hit your programs without any jarring falls and you'll be fine.
 
I thought this thread was about Canadian ladies? What I admire about Kaetlyn is how she has dealt with two major career ending injuries and still fought her way back. So many other skaters have had better luck with not having freak injuries which certainly helps for consistency. I look forward to no injuries for any of our skaters. I also appreciate the input from @danafan who is great contributor to this thread.
 
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