Gymnastics News #15

LOL - they can't raise the flags for the women's UB podium as no room on the hanger so they are having to hold the flags on the floor!!
 
Are you having an actual giraffe with those scores. Four way tie for four completely levels of gymnastics? Komova was clearly 1st, and I can't stand her! Chinese clearly second with Spiro only matching her based on her E value. Kocian scoring the same as those three is just dumbfounding!! I'd have put Gabby ahead of Kocian for that form! Surely the judges know what warrants deductions???


Louis Smith solidifies his case for Beijing, so unfortunate not to win his first global title but - those feet!! I'm also :lol: that Ellie downie was a splat away from the podium. Her DTY is beyond ready to Amanar and her Lopez could easily take an extra turn too - I wonder will anyone in Brit Gymnastics have the balls to push her to upgrade both?

A medal for Fragapane on Floor would make this an incredible champs for the Brits and the sport's stock will just shoot through the roof
 
Oh...I might be the only one here, but :cheer: for Paseka, I love her improvements and whilst I probably feel the Jong was slightly more deserving, I don't give enough fcks since Jong wouldn't be arsed to smile anyway and who wants to sit through the South Korean Anthem - NON!
 
I came here thinking something was wrong with the results site showing four first places. Guess not! :lol:
 
poths said:
Oh...I might be the only one here, but :cheer: for Paseka, I love her improvements and whilst I probably feel the Jong was slightly more deserving, I don't give enough fcks since Jong wouldn't be arsed to smile anyway and who wants to sit through the South Korean Anthem - NON!
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Don't start a war please
 
ilovepaydays said:
Nah. I think Simone (has she gone pro?) will be getting a huge number of endorsements leading up to the Olympic trials. Gabby will get a few deal, but I can't see her being considered anything but an underdog. What are the chances that Maggie Nichols could have a shot at U.S. #2 in the AA? I'm assuming they would consider her over Aly, right?
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You do realize underdogs can be very popular right? Really the story line of OGM to underdog against her own teammate here to fight.. yeah that would sell pretty well actually.
 
Karpenko said:
There will be so much hype and buildup on Simone and Gabby that I wouldn't be surprised to see them be the only two doing AA in prelims to ensure they make the AA final. Money and ratings/endorsements could come into play.

Aly is weak on bars, Maggie was a bit weak on beam here. You could do Maggie VT/UB/FX and Aly VT/BB/FX with Kocian/Kyla as UB/BB and come out just fine. There will be pressure to make sure that Simone/Gabby are in the AA final, it'll be bigger than Nastia and Shawn potentially. I think that strategic team planning could come into the picture.
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Rather than only send two, I wonder if they would send someone who is not likely to be a threat to Gabby or Simone, but still good enough to get in the AA vs global gymnasts in case of an injury or really bizarre set of circumstances. I wonder if they would risk not having two in AA finals by only sending two is what I am saying. Weird things happen.
 
StitchMonkey said:
You do realize underdogs can be very popular right? Really the story line of OGM to underdog against her own teammate here to fight.. yeah that would sell pretty well actually.
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Yeah, I think it will be very interesting to see where the sponsors/endorsements go and what kind of fluff pieces NBC decides to do. Anything is better than what they did for 2012 - a whole piece on just Gabby's smile (when her background story was actually interesting)? I think the only other one they did for gymnastics was about Kyla and McKayla's friendship. I don't believe there was one about Jordan (who was the world AA champ) or Aly, was there?
 
poths said:
Louis Smith solidifies his case for Beijing, so unfortunate not to win his first global title but - those feet!! I'm also :lol: that Ellie downie was a splat away from the podium. Her DTY is beyond ready to Amanar and her Lopez could easily take an extra turn too - I wonder will anyone in Brit Gymnastics have the balls to push her to upgrade both?
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Yes if Ellie were from any other federation - Russia, Romania, India or Switzerland, she'd have an amanar and a cheng by now, and would be standing on that podium. she 's being developed for the AA which is why it's taking time I guess , but Ellie on vault podium is much more of a realistic prospect than another team bronze for Rio so I hope her coaches go for it!
 
I am watching the women's team finals on NBC and I can't figure out which one drives me crazier. Tim Daggett saying Gymnastics 101 or Amanda Borden (who does commentary for USN) saying "in the bounds." I do enjoy her commentary with Bart Conner, otherwise. I wish they would replace Tim and Nastia.....I guess I just answered my own question! :D
 
Before I forget, thank you to the more knowledgeable fans here. I'm a casual gymnastics fan and appreciate the detailed discussion, especially in light of the upcoming Olympics.

See you tomorrow for the 2nd half of EF.
 
See I feel that Komova on many occasions has never gotten the benefit of the doubt. She should have won AA gold at that one worlds. One could also make an argument for her being Olympic AA champion that she was made up for her vault error on the other events. (Although given her mistake its hard to feel that sorry for her) I do feel its sad that a gymnast like Komova isn't given the benefit of the doubt. You had a gymnast doing G skills with her kind of beauty. Its rare and that gymnast should be rewarded (and yes she had a lot of harder skills than Douglas on beam and bars)

But her attitude at the team event was ridiculous.

It does seem though that in close calls the benefit of the doubt always goes to other gymnasts and no I don't think its fair). I feel better about Douglas AA gold then Weiber's.

Poor attitudes aren't great but I don't get why Komova doesn't get the benefit of the doubt

What sucks more is apparently in the AA when it was between Johnson and Liukin the head of the FIG spoke out about artistry. But there was no talk about giving that kind of benefit to Komova. And Komova's a better gymnast than Liukin ever was. (way harder skills)

I don't particularly like her attitude either. But I find it frustrating that the sport finally had a gymnast to who could do the really tough acrobatic skills and combined the beauty of gymnastics and they never gave this gymnast the benefit of the doubt.

I cannot help feeling if Komova was an American yes she would be World AA and Olympic AA champ.
 
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And for those who want to argue differently there was only about a tenth d score difference between Komova and Douglas in that floor exercise. Take one look at the landings between the two gymnasts. There was an American journalist who wrote about how Komova was just amazing on that floor. She flew and landed like a soft bird. There was a clear difference between the two live on floor. They really could have given that AA gold to Komova.

I know people don't like Komova's attitude but what this sport is saying. Is don't bother to develop the kind of lines and extension Komova' has. Don't bother. And that's incredibly sad. Say hello to more Raismans. You may not like Komova's attitude but her gymnastics deserves to be rewarded.

In reality my anger is not so much because I like Komova's attitude. I don't. My anger is more about the type of gymnastics Komova represents. I don't even watch any more. The sport I liked to watch is gone.
 
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VIETgrlTerifa said:
I think Komova has definitely gotten the benefit of doubt, like at this past Team Final.
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She should have won World AA gold and didn't. She could have won Olympic AA gold (the reference judges put her ahead of Douglas by several tenths and didn't). Komova has never had a close result go her way.

I don't care for her attitude. But if you lost two big titles the way Komova did (and I do feel she has way more right to be angry about the Weiber loss) you might feel like the deck was stacked against you too.
 
Those weren't out and out robberies. Just a difference of opinion. It's not like the other gymnasts winning over her was some sort of shock or unreasonable. This UB was the only time I felt Komova has a real case of "should have" rather than "could have" and was entitled to raise a stink. Anyway, in the history of gymnastics, there were gymnasts who were treated way worse overall. However, you're not going to agree with me nor I you so I'll just leave it at that.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Those weren't out and out robberies. Just a difference of opinion. It's not like the other gymnasts winning over her was some sort of shock or unreasonable. There were gymnasts who were treated way worse, but you're not going to agree with me nor I you so I'll just leave it at that.
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The problem though is that some of it is leotard. A lot of those benefits are going towards the Americans..... As I said earlier. Artistry matters when its American vs American. Not Russian vs American. Oh for a smaller event they might let the Russian get it.

And its more about the type of gymnastics Komova represents. You may hate her attitude but her gymnastics the form and the extension is unreal. That takes work and it doesn't get rewarded. That's where some of the anger comes from. So we get more and more Raismans.

Now I like Douglas and hope she overcomes Biles but she didn't have form Komova has.

We will likely never see a gymnast like Komova again. Why work on those type of intangibles if it is not rewarded. She really is special. So no I don't like Komova's attitude and she would be better of taking a look in the mirror. But it still is a wrong message for the sport.
 
OnyxRose81 said:
Sorry I don't think Komova was robbed of any AA titles. However, she was robbed of this UB gold. It should have been hers alone.
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The FIG actually criticized Wieber's win. The Olympic AA gold could have gone either way. I wouldn't say she was robbed of Olympic AA gold just not given the benefit of the doubt.
 
Simone Biles is a way better gymnast than her. :summer:

I still can't believe that after contemplating this event all year... that four gymnasts ended up winning. And its a more clear cut top 4 and the order they should've been in, compared to say watching the routines from the 1996 Olympic UB final? :confused: Kocian is so so lucky and she didn't even have a shamrock leo, I can't believe how this whole year completely fell in her favor. Now Marta will definitely want her on the team.

You get a gold, you get a gold, you get a gold, you get a gold, and none for Gabby Douglas. :skandal I feel like next years Olympic podium could end up being Yao Jinnan, Aliya Mustafina, and Huang Huidan? With Gabby Douglas 4th.
 
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Can someone explain Komova's E score relative to her competitors? I really don't get it. She should have won UB easily, IMO.
 
I read that her Jaegar received a deduction for being piked, but if her D score were affected then why would it reflect at all in the E? She shouldn't get a piked deduction if the skill receives piked credit instead of layout.

I have to wonder if she didn't make that comment at all, at least one of the judges could've gone .1 higher. Kind of strange how karma can manifest itself :shuffle: let's see if she can use this to motivate her to win an Olympic medal on bars, I'm expecting her to completely self destruct in Rio.
 
I don't expect Komova to fully self destruct. She's pretty good at hitting for herself unless she is too tired. I do say though that I agree on the attitude. Its time for the girl to start going out there and just competiting hard out. I do feel the way she is scored at times.... Oh well. But she needs to let the coaches talk.
 
I was wondering that, too, with regard to Komova's jaeger. How do the judges know if you are being credited with the piked version of the skill? If you are attempting a laid out version, and you get a deduction for not achieving the laid out position, do they add it back if they see you didn't get credit for the laid out position? Because isn't it one panel of judges who 'call the skills' as it were and another that assess the 'grade of execution?'

Do you lose both the value of the skill as well as take a deduction for not achieving the body position you were going for?
 
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