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Ugh.On her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
Yes, truth matters, and it got told. Fontana can shut up.
Ugh.On her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
On her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
And actions have consequences.On her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
I’m not being funny. This man failed in his duty to protect a child. And what does he get? two years you can’t coach and then you can go back to your life and nothings going to happen to you. and in the meantime your wife can still work so she can support you. Your wife who should have also been a designated reporter. This man failed to do his job.
Maybe if some of these people who don’t do the right thing go to prison it will encourage the rest of the coaches who think this is no big deal and they shouldn’t have to do the right thing either to start paying attention.
And if someone who fails to protect the child has to go to prison and bad things happen to him, I don’t feel sorry for him. This could’ve been prevented. He could’ve done the right thing. But he was more interested in making sure his skaters got a medal I’m sorry, but maybe if some of these people who think doing the right thing is to hard paid some higher prices than a little slap on the wrist we wouldn’t have as many problems in skating.
Has everyone involved in this fcuking heinous joint had their moral compass not only excised but smashed and burned? Or did they even fcuking have one?On her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
I have dealt with rinks who have looked the other way regarding the liability insurance or don't check for it if the coach is a moneymaker for them. When I experienced this, it was always the private rinks. He would also still be able to coach using off-ice and off-site methods and unfortunately there are some parents who support coaches in these endeavors when they produce high level winning skaters. Unprofessional coaches figure out all kinds of ways to work the system, a la Bob Young.It's been a while since I was involved in coaching oversight, but as far as I remember, coaches need to be registered with U.S. Figure Skating to obtain liability insurance through the PSA. So yes, in theory, Zimmerman could coach, but he would need to have his own liability insurance, which may be difficult or overly expensive to obtain given his suspension.
Separately, given that the victim's father is a lawyer, now that Zimmerman's actions have been effectively certified as negligent by Safe Sport, I wouldn't be surprised if the family brought a civil suit against him, which could complicate efforts for him to salvage a coaching career.
Has everyone involved in this fcuking heinous joint had their moral compass not only excised but smashed and burned? Or did they even fcuking have one?
That rink needs a total cleanout. Don't forget the things the owner said about the poor girl, either.
Just another upstanding citizen. Kicked a police three times in the groin & tried to bite another.Stephanie Stiegler was arrested last month for driving while intoxicated and is facing a third degree assault charge.
Former elite figure skater arrested after stop on US 101
NEMAH — Two troopers from the Washington State Patrol were involved in a late afternoon scuffle with an intoxicated female at milepost 36 on U.S. Highway 101 around 4 p.m.www.chinookobserver.com
Totally agree with this. There were 2 girls as well so often teens get brave and do silly things including dares if they have backup. At what point did vile Vinny go running to Zimmerman with his side of the story. He also threatened the girls about telling.My understanding of the story is that the girls’ coach Vinny Dispenza dared the girls to ask Morgan for dick pics (he promised to reward them with a pizza if they did), so however they sent the request all Morgan would have had to do is hit “reply”.
I’m not sure why Vinny isn’t being punished for initiating this, but maybe Safesport doesn’t have sufficient proof of his involvement.
This is terrible, again this is somewhat Bullying to the victim and shows the type of person Sylvia is. Yes, "Truth Matter" and her husband has been suspended and she is now on probation. Terrible that she posted that shows the type of individual she is. It will be interesting how the rink will continue to keep them employed there because her husband could still technically coach, just be at any US Sanctioned events. Poor decision on Sylvia's part to post that. I wonder if a grown man ever sent pics to one of her daughters if she would try to cover that up. The whole thing is just awfulOn her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
My understanding of the story is that the girls’ coach Vinny Dispenza dared the girls to ask Morgan for dick pics (he promised to reward them with a pizza if they did), so however they sent the request all Morgan would have had to do is hit “reply”.
I’m not sure why Vinny isn’t being punished for initiating this, but maybe Safesport doesn’t have sufficient proof of his involvement.
I'm going to try and expand upon this part of the story. My apologies for staying relatively vague - I try to err on the side of caution when discussing active cases. Like always, here is my disclaimer:
I 100% agree on that part of the article being really weird & confusing.
According to witnesses and digital evidence, Morgan was coaching multiple teenage girls around the time that these events occurred (along with the then 13 year old survivor). It was all being done "under the table" due to the fact that he was not a USFS member (a few coaches expressed concerns to the rink's administrative staff since he was allegedly uninsured - I haven't been able to determine if he was an ISI member yet so I can't fully confirm this but multiple people at the rink believed that he was uninsured). Also, there are other allegations of Morgan's "inappropriate" conduct with these girls (some of which may become public through future news articles, lawsuit filings or criminal charges).
A few sources have told me that Vinny's request for the pictures came after he got wind of these allegations (specifically, the ones involving the then 13 year old survivor). Granted, these sources didn't witness the actual pizza conversation so I'm not exactly sure if that's the case.
Based on the evidence that I've been able to review, my best guesses for why Vinny asked for the photos are a) he didn't really believe the allegations were true and "jokingly" asked for the photos as proof, only to be surprised when the survivor produced them or b) he asked for the photos in order to confirm the allegations. However, he could've also been asking for the photos for other reasons (manipulation, grooming, harassment, etc.)
After Vinny received the photos (i.e. the video of the survivor opening up the photos in IG since Morgan sent them using the "view-once" function), he allegedly showed them to another coach affiliated with the rink. That coach allegedly told him that what Morgan was doing was wrong and that Vinny had to report him. Vinny then went to John & Silvia and then the events that have been publicly covered took place (the intimidation, threats, slut-shaming, etc.) His motivation for participating in the cover-up/intimidation/emotional abuse of the then 13 year old girl seems to have been fear of losing his own job. However, Vinny himself is the only person who can answer that question.
Regardless of what happened, I 100% believe that he needs to be held accountable for his actions. However, while he was the instigator for the photos that are discussed in the article, he wasn't the instigator for all of Morgan's alleged misconduct.
I couldn't find anything specific on the SafeSport website, but there may be policies limiting allowable penalties for the specific types of things the three were found to have done.I don’t expect any different kinds of reactions from very minimal details coming out regarding this specific situation, but did anyone think that there are further details we don’t know, that make the suspension and probations more explainable?
I couldn't find anything specific on the SafeSport website, but there may be policies limiting allowable penalties for the specific types of things the three were found to have done.
It sounds like there are guidelines or policies, albeit unwritten ones.There are internal guidelines. The most severe penalties are given to those who are criminally charged or convicted of crimes related to sexual assault and/or involving a minor. The next most severe penalty involves any form of sexual misconduct involving minors (not related to criminal charges). Physical/emotional misconduct (depending on the degree), abuse of process and failure to report are usually dealt with through educational trainings, warning letters and probation - with suspensions being the most severe.
Were there ever any reports that the FFSG being involved in this situation at the time the alleged incident occurred? Given the European Championships were about a month later and the Winter Olympics a month after that in February 2018, it is hard for me to imagine that the FFSG/Didier Gailhaguet would not have placed extreme pressure on John, Sylvia, and the rink management to cover it up since they were among France's top medal contenders. Assuming Cipres or his coaches made him and the FFSG aware of what was going on in December 2017--I don't recall if there were any allegations of who knew what contemporaneously. My understanding is that neither Cipres nor Zimmerman has ever made public comments.I don’t expect any different kinds of reactions from very minimal details coming out regarding this specific situation, but did anyone think that there are further details we don’t know, that make the suspension and probations more explainable?
I’m not going to get anywhere with people that are already mind-reading and assuming that they know everything, but there really are more layers and complications to this situation than what has been presented.
Were there ever any reports that the FFSG being involved in this situation at the time the alleged incident occurred? Given the European Championships were about a month later and the Winter Olympics a month after that in February 2018, it is hard for me to imagine that the FFSG/Didier Gailhaguet would not have placed extreme pressure on John, Sylvia, and the rink management to cover it up since they were among France's top medal contenders. Assuming Cipres or his coaches made him and the FFSG aware of what was going on in December 2017--I don't recall if there were any allegations of who knew what contemporaneously. My understanding is that neither Cipres nor Zimmerman has ever made public comments.
I remember reports that when Gailhaguet was forced out for the second time back in 2020, in part, due to his role in the cover-up story involving the sexual abuse of Sarah Abitbol became public and the reports of the SafeSport investigation of the Cipres incident became public in late 2019. It seems to me that it would have been the FFSG's role to punish Cipres, including dropping him and his partner from the European, World, and Olympic teams, if they were investigating the alleged incident at that time. Part of the problem here is a lack of jurisdiction over Cipres, who doesn't compete for US Figure Skating, and who no longer trains in the USA.
The truth is that you are on probation.On her IG stories Sylvia Fontana posted "Truth Matters!"
Thanks, I was asking about explicit pressure. As you stated, implicit was 100%. Starting with my time at UDel when Linichuk & Karponosov relocated their camp from Moscow to America, I have witnessed first hand the interest of foreign figure skating federations when their top medal contenders train outside their home country in the USA.It depends - are you wondering about implicit pressure or explicit pressure?
Implicitly - 100%. As the coaches of France's top pair team and single skaters, the FFSG does have a very strong relationship with John and Silvia. Didier had already reviewed the evidence & knew of Cipres guilt when the FFSG released the December 15, 2019 statement stating "In light of the information at its disposal, the FFSG has no cause not to place its confidence in him." The only reason that he ended up confirming Cipres' guilt to the press a few months later was because he was trying to save his own skin. There is also evidence that suggests that the FFSG (or at least Didier and his inner circle) were actively protecting Cipres in other ways.
So do you think the suspension and probations are too harsh or not harsh enough? What needs to be explained? Morgan sent a dick pic to a 13 year old's account and John and Silvia intimidated the girl to not report to authorities so Morgan could go to the Olympics. What else do we really need to know?I don’t expect any different kinds of reactions from very minimal details coming out regarding this specific situation, but did anyone think that there are further details we don’t know, that make the suspension and probations more explainable?
I’m not going to get anywhere with people that are already mind-reading and assuming that they know everything, but there really are more layers and complications to this situation than what has been presented.
I’ve let it be known that I know a little bit more concerning the case than what is being published, and it’s not my place to divulge that info. However, since I do know it, I can say that some people who think they have everything figured out and/or exactly what happened are way off-base and repeating things that were never specified anywhere. I think a probation for Fontana is fine.So do you think the suspension and probations are too harsh or not harsh enough? What needs to be explained? Morgan sent a dick pic to a 13 year old's account and John and Silvia intimidated the girl to not report to authorities so Morgan could go to the Olympics. What else do we really need to know?
I'm having a hard time imagining a scenario where it would be okay for an adult to send a dick pic to a 13 year old. It was confirmed that the picture was sent from Morgan's IG account to the victim's account, right?I’ve let it be known that I know a little bit more concerning the case than what is being published, and it’s not my place to divulge that info. However, since I do know it, I can say that some people who think they have everything figured out and/or exactly what happened are way off-base and repeating things that were never specified anywhere. I think a probation for Fontana is fine.
I’ve never once argued that point - check it. Morgan is an idiot.I'm having a hard time imagining a scenario where it would be okay for an adult to send a dick pic to a 13 year old. It was confirmed that the picture was sent from Morgan's IG account to the victim's account, right?
I don't get what point you are trying to argue.I’ve never once argued that point - check it. Morgan is an idiot.
Well, maybe some day the explanations for the sentences will be given. Maybe not. But until then, I’m sure posters will speak like they know every last detail and state it as fact.I don't get what point you are trying to argue.
I’ve never once argued that point - check it. Morgan is an idiot.
I’ve let it be known that I know a little bit more concerning the case than what is being published, and it’s not my place to divulge that info. However, since I do know it, I can say that some people who think they have everything figured out and/or exactly what happened are way off-base and repeating things that were never specified anywhere. I think a probation for Fontana is fine.
Of course he’s worse than an idiot- he’s gross. But this situation is not as A to Z outside of his action as people think it is or are basing their attitudes on. You know that you and I have been privy to some of the same information that makes it obvious there are many more questions that have never been addressed, parties that should have been questioned much more than they were, situations that may have happened prior to this, etc.Eh - I would personally call him a lot worse than an idiot but I'm not sure what pieces of evidences you've seen versus myself.