Worlds 2024 Pairs FS: ‘The wedgie always gets its woman’

[skatingguy]

Ellie KAM / Danny O'SHEA USA
Coach: Drew Meekins
Music: Nocturnal Animals by Abel Korzeniowski

Triple Twist 3
3Sq
Throw 3Lo - fall
Reverse Lasso Lift 4
3Tq+2T - Ellie did a turn between the jumps, and landings were poor from both
Throw 3S - fall
Back Outside Death Spiral 4
Pair Combo Spin 4
Hand/Hand Lift 4 (3 after review)
Choreo Sequence
Axel Lasso Lift 4

-2.00 = Falls (2)

I don't think I can adequately explain the technical issues that are happening on her throw landings. She does not seem to have any sense of where she is, or when she should start to open up to land, and so everything is in the wrong place, and she can't even attempt a proper landing. The rest of their skating is really strong, and the quality of their skating is evident.

115.97 = 3rd Place
180.41 = 3rd Place

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

I will give Ellie props for a nice 3S.

 

[Rukia]

Mistakes aside, I think this should be the highest ranked US team. The most complete free skate and I think the strongest overall skating of the three teams.

oh I agree with this I just hate that she is doing something she appears very uncomfortable with

 

[Karen-W]

It’s psychological. But we shouldn’t be sending teams to Worlds who can’t land a throw jump, much less make them national champions.

Seriously. I mean, I know people were theorizing that it was purely political that they were given the title over EfiMit because the USFS didn't want to have an ineligible team as Nats Champs but... What was the benefit in the end? They're fighting for 11th, 12th or 13th place with the other two teams we sent.

 

[airgelaal]

According to skatingScores she can land double throws.Then why not focus on them?

 

[Spikefan]

Another US team that could be champs if an ID team.

 

[skatingguy]

Oh, FSU.

In this case @tony is correct.

 

[Kateri]

oh I agree with this I just hate that she is doing something she appears very uncomfortable with

yeah, it seems like a recipe to get her injured or permanently mentally blocked

 

[Karen-W]

When does Efimova get her release?

June? She and Misha teamed up last June so I'm guessing she'll have her release then.

 

[Lara]

Yes the throws (and I get feeling that should prevent them from being sent) but I do lean with Tony more on the side of them being the better (just slightly) US team tonight.

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

June? She and Misha teamed up last June so I'm guessing she'll have her release then.

Oh good. Right in time for early fall comps.

 

[peibeck]

The Dutch team that skated first still had the cleanest program yet, I think. (Skating skills aside).

 

[skatfan]

I don't think I can adequately explain the technical issues that are happening on her throw landings. She does not seem to have any sense of where she is, or when she should start to open up to land, and so everything is in the wrong place, and she can't even attempt a proper landing. The rest of their skating is really strong, and the quality of their skating is evident.

I know nothing about pairs and I could see this. So sad, it doesn’t seem to have gotten better in this second season.

 

[Frau Muller]

Efimova

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[Amy L]

June? She and Misha teamed up last June so I'm guessing she'll have her release then.

I'm pretty sure they said they'll be ready to go by the start of next season. Germany doesn't tend to play games with releases.

 

[Karen-W]

Oh good. Right in time for early fall comps.

Yup. And Parkman should have his release in May or so, IIRC. I think we can certainly look forward to both teams debuting at the newly-minted Challenger Series event - John Nicks Pairs In'tl.

 

[airgelaal]

Are we ready for cats?

 

[pat c]

I think it was the ice. Zamboni will fix the problem and things will be better. If not, the audience had better get out there and chop it up to put in their drinks.

 

[Private Citizen]

You know, we often use hyperbole here, but Ellie truly cannot land a throw. I really don't think she's capable at this point.

Even Tamara Moskvina couldn’t save these US pairs. O’ Shea can’t just throw a raggedy Ann doll.

Didn't Tamara fix Kyoko Ina's throws when she paired up with Zimmerman, or am I misremembering?

I haven't seen throws this bad since then. Ina and Zimmerman in their first season were only attempting one throw (salchow), and Kyoko almost never landed it. Get Kam and O'Shea to whomever fixed their throws.

 

[Carolla5501]

Arrrrghhhh ... Ellie and the not-happening throw landings!

I just wanted her to fight and she’s not.

It’s psychological. But we shouldn’t be sending teams to Worlds who can’t land a throw jump, much less make them national champions.

Oh, here we go again. We should send those teams who aren’t eligible to go to worlds because they were so much better.
And that team who scored behind them at nationals is ahead of them at worlds right?


This is what we have in the United States. Rainbows and unicorns and your wishes don’t change the facts

 

[Rukia]

I don't think I can adequately explain the technical issues that are happening on her throw landings. She does not seem to have any sense of where she is, or when she should start to open up to land, and so everything is in the wrong place, and she can't even attempt a proper landing.

I've said it before, but it really does look like she goes into protective mode for a fall from the start. She pulls everything in really close but not in a way that is good jumping air position. And a lot of times she kind of hunches her shoulders and sort of loosens her legs to take the fall.

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

So...who can teach K/O a proper throw technique? Clearly Meekins is not getting it done.

 

[Karen-W]

Grudgingly, I'll let @tony be right with KamOSh being the best US team (by an inch) here at these Worlds. But they aren't the best pairs team we have and I'm looking forward to them being left off both the 4CCs and Worlds teams next year in favor of Chan/Howe, Efimova/Mitrofanov and McBeath/Parkman.

 

[Carolla5501]

So...who can teach K/O a proper throw technique? Clearly Meekins is not getting it done.

As long as it’s not the wicked witch of Colorado

 

[miffy]

According to skatingScores she can land double throws.Then why not focus on them?

I think they did doubles at first and everyone snarked about it so I don’t think they can win either way

 

[mattiecat13]

Serious question: Is it that much harder to land a triple throw than a double?

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

Grudgingly, I'll let @tony be right with KamOSh being the best US team (by an inch) here at these Worlds. But they aren't the best pairs team we have and I'm looking forward to them being left off both the 4CCs and Worlds teams next year in favor of Chan/Howe, Efimova/Mitrofanov and McBeath/Parkman.

If Spencer heals. This was rough and I'm not sure they should have been sent. At least with L/N, we'd still get Nagy to look at.

 

[Rukia]

Grudgingly, I'll let @tony be right with KamOSh being the best US team (by an inch) here at these Worlds. But they aren't the best pairs team we have and I'm looking forward to them being left off both the 4CCs and Worlds teams next year in favor of Chan/Howe, Efimova/Mitrofanov and McBeath/Parkman.

you're putting a lot on people who are not known to be stable jumpers anyway lol

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

I think they did doubles at first and everyone snarked about it so I don’t think they can win either way

That was before we all saw these nonexistent triples.

 

[Wyliefan]

Argh, my Internet is crap tonight. You should've seen me trying to have a Zoom piano lesson -- I heard everything my teacher said five minutes after he said it. Fingers crossed it holds up for the rest of this event.

"___ is jogging in a tiara" would have made such a great rep level.