Unpopular Opinions

I thought she was considered more artistic than Mao, which I didn't really agree with. She was much too close to Yuna on PCS much of the time, too, for me.

Again it's just opinions, and unpopular ones at that, so that's what I think. Kostner when she was younger was very sloppy with her body movement, and while she had very nice edge work even when young, she had little control over her skating because of the speed. All these aspects improved, but her issues didn't vanish, for me.

Although, to your point, I do agree her artistry came off much better when placed next to the Russian girls, so probably people remember her more fondly for it.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Kostner had great choreography that she really commited to, and good packaging. She was tall and had nice lines. But true, genuine, innate artistry? No. She was no Sasha Cohen.

I also hated her Bolero free.

Though I have to say her Ne me quitte pas and Ave Maria programmes were wonderful.
 
Lajoie and Lagha come to mind.
Yeah they’ve managed to impress and surprise me over the last couple of years and I’m really liking the direction of Carrrera/Ponamarenko.
I hade hope for Green and Parsons but meh.
I like one of the Czech teams. But I think the other one is overrated. Speed isn’t everything folks.
I prefer the 2nd French team.
I have hope for Beaumont/Bash but not sure.
Also there’s another US team that’s threatening for the top I like.
But I can’t think of many more.
But I don’t watch the competitions from beginning to end.
Just don’t always have the time
 
I like one of the Czech teams. But I think the other one is overrated. Speed isn’t everything folks.
I prefer the 2nd French team.
I have hope for Beaumont/Bash but not sure.
I like the Taschler sibs but she bends forwards so much at the waist its distracting.
Other team are so fast.
I prefer the second French team too.I have really tried to like Lopareva/Brissou but its just not happening.I love their lines but there's no personalities there.
Bashynska/Beaumont I really like they look great together but they haven't moved up as quick as I thought they would.Would love them at the GP.
 
I like the Taschler sibs but she bends forwards so much at the waist its distracting.
Other team are so fast.
I prefer the second French team too.I have really tried to like Lopareva/Brissou but its just not happening.I love their lines but there's no personalities there.
Bashynska/Beaumont I really like they look great together but they haven't moved up as quick as I thought they would.Would love them at the GP.
I am liking the french team La/Ca. They performed at Lombardia this week. I cannot believe what I saw from Gui/Fab, this MUST be a gap season. LOL. Car/Pom are showing promise and I am hopeful that the Russian pairing of Kag/Nek will develop. I find Kha/Nar somewhat monotonous and flat. But as they say, we'll know in time.
 
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I prefer the second French team too.I have really tried to like Lopareva/Brissou but its just not happening.I love their lines but there's no personalities there.
Bashynska/Beaumont I really like they look great together but they haven't moved up as quick as I thought they would.Would love them at the GP.
Couldn't agree more about L&B. I am happy to be wrong at any time, but I find their costumes and her hair are the only remarkable thing about them at this point....

No one training with Carol will go anywhere, let's be honest, especially while Piper and Paul are still around. Bashynska & Beaumont are hampered by injury too, but I just don't have faith in skaters moving up the ranks from the Scarborough club.
 
Ok here's one ice-dance related: I think C/B are "nice" but I don't really enjoy their programs that much.
 
Ok here's one ice-dance related: I think C/B are "nice" but I don't really enjoy their programs that much.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion, just facts. Even their Snake programme though cute was missing an edge because of her lack of skating skills. Their main drawing cards are looks, elegance and the acrobatics. If you have the right coach and partner drilling and training to create programs catered for the judges is an easy peasy thing. Blowing the judges minds, is a whole other stratosphere. You have to be born with that.
 
But, here`s an unpopular opinion. Hubbell and Donohue`s skating was vulgar. Throwing each other around. How fast could they go? That ratty `Marilyn Monrow`fake fur. :rofl:
I wouldn't call them vulgar, but insecure. They lacked the poker face and calmness of the Shibsibs. They did not have that confidence. What I didn't appreciate was their constant tinkering with good programs. They were often trying too hard because of issues or these insecurities, both real and imagined.
 
No one training with Carol will go anywhere, let's be honest, especially while Piper and Paul are still around. Bashynska & Beaumont are hampered by injury too, but I just don't have faith in skaters moving up the ranks from the Scarborough club.
Carol certainly saves her best ideas for PP.The FD for BB is so old fashioned and the dress:eek:
 
Regarding Sarah Hughes. I liked her edges, foot work and the choreography to her programs was pretty much okay. What I didn't like was her entrances (I guess you would call it that) to her jumps. The only way I can describe it would be that she hiked her leg way up high and then dug her toe pick into the ice before taking off. At least that's what it looked like to me.

I may not be describing it in the correct way or using the correct term. I think in her later years of skating, she improved on that making it look a lot smoother.

I really liked her exhibition during the 2002 Olympics. It showed both her artistic and technical skills.

2002 Sarah Hughes Olympic Exhibition​


 
When transitions first came out we had lovely transitions like Matt Savoie's in his 2006 programs. Or Jeff Buttle. In general, the component encouraged fuller programs, in those earlier days. Even Sasha Cohen did transitions. Of course, people like Plushy still existed for whom it didn't matter because they got the scores anyway (or someone like Lysacek), but I didn't think it has anything to do with the very first few years.

Yuna's and Mao's programs did have rather lovely transitions that weren't overstuffed. For me, the real problem will forever be Chan's programs beginning from 2010-11, which managed to be completely boring and not even all that difficult. I thought in comparison Hanyu did far more difficult ones leading into his jumps during that quad, so they were nice athletic feats. Javier Fernandez also used to constantly move in his programs - I thought he was a bigger problem than Hanyu. Brown did more than Hanyu too.

And then came the Eteri girl era. No explanation needed. There I no longer see how it's an unpopular opinion to be hating transitions.
 
When transitions first came out we had lovely transitions like Matt Savoie's in his 2006 programs. Or Jeff Buttle. In general, the component encouraged fuller programs, in those earlier days. Even Sasha Cohen did transitions. Of course, people like Plushy still existed for whom it didn't matter because they got the scores anyway (or someone like Lysacek), but I didn't think it has anything to do with the very first few years.
We also had Irina Slutskaya’s nonsensical programs that were packed with incoherent busy moves. It got to where by 2010, Evan was giving interviews telling people how many transitions his program had because people talked about them non-stop.
Yuna's and Mao's programs did have rather lovely transitions that weren't overstuffed.
I thought Mao’s Tarasova era was one of her worst and Yuna Kim’s programs were made for IJS and felt mechanical to me rather than real programs. I did like her Danse Macabre SP and Lark Ascending LP though while her Bond SP was great at Skate America.
For me, the real problem will forever be Chan's programs beginning from 2010-11, which managed to be completely boring and not even all that difficult.
I agree even though his skating skills were like butter. I liked them better after 2014.

I thought in comparison Hanyu did far more difficult ones leading into his jumps during that quad, so they were nice athletic feats.

Yeah, athletic feats but boring to watch. I don’t remember feeling much in the way of emotion from any Yuzuru performance. He was who I was thinking about when his fans used to come on this forum and talk incessantly about transitions and nothing else when they realized they couldn’t push their way around and browbeat people into their group think until others felt bullied/shamed into thinking he was the only skater worth anything.

Javier Fernandez also used to constantly move in his programs - I thought he was a bigger problem than Hanyu. Brown did more than Hanyu too.
Yeah but I felt Javier and Jason’s transitions had coherency and made much more sense with their style of movement and choreography. They were more the exception than the rule, especially Brown who can place as well as he does despite his lower base values. Yuzuru looked like he was just doing them for points.
And then came the Eteri girl era. No explanation needed. There I no longer see how it's an unpopular opinion to be hating transitions.
See my opinion that my take is unpopular is unpopular with you.
 
See my opinion that my take is unpopular is unpopular with you.
Well if you think Transitions quite literally from the very offset made it seem like the only things that mattered were transitions and nothing else, then yes. Unpopular. I don't at all see how that was the case, when we had someone like Plushy, or with the Lysacek case you gave, when he did all of three or four transitions in his Vancouver programs, and outscored Chan's overstuffed programs on PCS IIRC, and Kozuka on Skating Skills and every other important thing.

I thought Mao’s Tarasova era was one of her worst/Yuna Kim’s programs were made for IJS and felt mechanical to me rather than real programs.
I hated the choreography for Mao from Tarasova many times, but don't see how transitions made them that way.

Same for Yuna even if you felt they were mechanical (and I'd agree between 2007-10), I don't see how transitions made them that way? She only did a few, fewer and less difficult than Mao's, in fact, and scored more PCS than her most of the times.
Yeah, athletic feats but boring to watch. I don’t remember feeling much in the way of emotion from any Yuzuru performance.
Was this because of his transitions or his overall skating?
Yeah but I felt Javier and Jason’s transitions had coherency
Did you really think this about Javier's long programs between 2013-2015? Then yes, I'd disagree, because I thought they were 100% bad programs, and he was only moving for the sake of movement. And I never thought he showed particularly stylized movement outside of Malaguena/Guys and Dolls from the 2015-16 season.

I thought Jason's short programs were dreadful for a really long time (still are, for the most part), especially that 2014-15 one, which to me was juniorish. His Nessun Dorma was a pretty prime example of constant movement for the sake of constant movement, to me, and done with less than amazing skating skill, much like Eteri girls. He's also now a big example of overscoring and judges ignoring his flaws with uncalled flutzing and an axel that deserves 0 GOE much of the time (well, again here, not different from an Eteri girl).
 
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Oh while I'm at it. Ashley Wagner is another example who rebuts "transitions are the only things that mattered", there was practically nothing in her programs for a really long time. In the 2013 worlds LP, she fell in the step sequence and tripped over crossovers, and still scored 63 PCS, when PCS wasn't handed out like candy. Which is also to say I think there's no real point to the Wagner/Nagasu "scandal" for 2014 - I don't even think the US deserved three spots, it should have been a Russian girl instead of either of them.

Obviously nobody complained about it, least of all her, when it was to the benefit of her and the "good people countries" as they kept complaining about the bad people from bad countries doing bad things, but whatever. To say that I take her commentary with a grain of salt when she couldn't even skate and is just a stupid person is an understatement. If Irina Slutskaya didn't exist, she'd be the original untalented loudmouth who only got where she was because of her federation and nothing else.
 
Well if you think Transitions quite literally from the very offset made it seem like the only things that mattered were transitions and nothing else, then yes. Unpopular. I don't at all see how that was the case, when we had someone like Plushy, or with the Lysacek case you gave, when he did all of three or four transitions in his Vancouver programs, and outscored Chan's overstuffed programs on PCS IIRC, and Kozuka on Skating Skills and every other important thing.


I hated the choreography for Mao from Tarasova many times, but don't see how transitions made them that way.

Same for Yuna even if you felt they were mechanical (and I'd agree between 2007-10), I don't see how transitions made them that way? She only did a few, fewer and less difficult than Mao's, in fact, and scored more PCS than her most of the times.

Was this because of his transitions or his overall skating?

Did you really think this about Javier's long programs between 2013-2015? Then yes, I'd disagree, because I thought they were 100% bad programs, and he was only moving for the sake of movement. And I never thought he showed particularly stylized movement outside of Malaguena/Guys and Dolls from the 2015-16 season.

I thought Jason's short programs were dreadful for a really long time (still are, for the most part), especially that 2014-15 one, which to me was juniorish. His Nessun Dorma was a pretty prime example of constant movement for the sake of constant movement, to me, and done with less than amazing skating skill, much like Eteri girls. He's also now a big example of overscoring and judges ignoring his flaws with uncalled flutzing and an axel that deserves 0 GOE much of the time (well, again here, not different from an Eteri girl).
See? My post isn’t popular with you. So it belongs in this thread.
 
One person makes an opinion unpopular? :lol:
You think you’re the only one with your opinions? I expected your kind of response based on my decades posting here. You’re not the arbiter of what’s popular and unpopular.
 
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You think you’re the only one with your opinions?
You said " See? My post isn’t popular with you. So it belongs in this thread."

Sorry for posting a reply with “:lol:" I guess.
I expected your kind of response based on my decades posting here.
Well I'm glad I've not posted on a skating forum for decades, then.
You’re not the arbiter of what’s popular and unpopular.
I didn't say I was, but thank you for informing me. I would be nowhere without it.
 
You said " See? My post isn’t popular with you. So it belongs in this thread."
Yeah, and you are representative of a class of people I strongly suspect would have reacted similarly to my post, which went back to my point about many others having your opinion.

Sorry for posting a reply with “:lol:" I guess.
Thank you.
Well I'm glad I've not posted on a skating forum for decades, then.
Yeah, our different experiences shape how we perceive these things.
I didn't say I was,
I was cutting to the chase and getting to the source of our whole exchange.
but thank you for informing me. I would be nowhere without it.
You’re welcome.

I apologize to everyone else for annoying you all and participating in the derailment of this thread. I promise to stop now.
 
Ok here's one ice-dance related: I think C/B are "nice" but I don't really enjoy their programs that much.
I really like their Astronaut & Alien program. I don't think their FDs for the past two seasons were necessarily World Championship gold medal worthy though, especially when they had obvious mistakes in both. I was glad that they won anyway, but I think a third time will be difficult.
 
Here’s another opinion though I’m not sure if it’s “unpopular”… I still haven’t seen 2024 Worlds and I haven’t felt compelled to do so, with life and everything. Maybe I need to just schedule a time to sit and watch it. Like many “simple” things, I always hold off on things until those simple things become huge operatic productions, or feel like it.
 
Here’s another opinion though I’m not sure if it’s “unpopular”… I still haven’t seen 2024 Worlds and I haven’t felt compelled to do so, with life and everything. Maybe I need to just schedule a time to sit and watch it. Like many “simple” things, I always hold off on things until those simple things become huge operatic productions, or feel like it.
My unpopular opinion is I like figure skating, but I don't watch it much, even though I have Peacock. I can't watch it live, and then I don't feel like trying to catch the replay (if there is one), as quickly as I need to. I may try to watch this year. I don't even know if I watched 2024 Worlds. 🤷‍♀️
 

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