U.S. Women [#7]: Make Me a Believer!

I think Adam and Ashley made a good point on their podcast: Isabeau has Worlds experience. If the ladies at Nationals skate lights well, send them and let Isabeau recover. There's no need to risk it right now.
 
Theatregirl1122 said:
What does that have to do with anything? People petition all the time when they aren’t actually ready.
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Levito actually has a stronger case than Michelle ever did for 2006. I know there’s was a report that she had all level three spins and was landing triples at her test skate but I really doubt it. Levito has skated this year and won medals. She is the reigning silver medalist. The judges are a fan. I don’t see the point in leaving her off if she can skate.
 
Jarrett said:
Michelle was injured for years. Has Levito been injured that long? I don’t think so.
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No, but we don't know how long Isabeau has been injured or what the extent of the injury was or how she is doing in her recovery. I hope the officials deciding whether to grant her petition will have all the relevant information, including how she is doing at the time. I love Isabeau's skating and she is the current World silver medalist, but I don't think she should go to Worlds if she is not clearly ready for Worlds.

(I am aware that there are some people here who would say no to Isabeau being on any World or Olympic team no matter what, but that isn't a reason to say that she should be on the team just because she petitioned.)
 
The way Arutunian described it was that one day Kwan would come in and be able to skate, but other days, she'd do some laps and realize her hip couldn't handle it and would leave the ice. Whether she was able depended on the day, and it's possible that she was monitored on a good day, or at least what "good" means when you want your cash cow to skate.
 
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kwanfan1818 said:
The way Arutunian described it was that one day Kwan would come in and be able to skate, but other days, she'd do some laps and realize her hip couldn't handle it and would leave the ice. Whether she was able depended on the day, and it's possible that she was monitored on a good day, or at least what "good" means when you want your cash cow to skate.
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Yeah, I remember that and I but I also have a hard time believing that Michelle was having 50-50 days. I think that she was probably having better more better days than worse days. I have a hard time thinking that she was just praying that she would show up and her hip would be fine.
 
Allskate said:
No, but we don't know how long Isabeau has been injured or what the extent of the injury was or how she is doing in her recovery. I hope the officials deciding whether to grant her petition will have all the relevant information, including how she is doing at the time. I love Isabeau's skating and she is the current World silver medalist, but I don't think she should go to Worlds if she is not clearly ready for Worlds.

(I am aware that there are some people here who would say no to Isabeau being on any World or Olympic team no matter what, but that isn't a reason to say that she should be on the team just because she petitioned.)
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I definitely do not want Levito there if she is not ready. Sarah should 100% first alternate and waiting in the wings and ready to spring into action like Mirai in 2016.
 
Jarrett said:
Yeah, I remember that and I but I also have a hard time believing that Michelle was having 50-50 days. I think that she was probably having better more better days than worse days. I have a hard time thinking that she was just praying that she would show up and her hip would be fine.
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Except if you're having days where a few laps stop you in your tracks, and they can come at any time, how can you truly think you'll have the stamina to get through the programs at that level, when your training is interrupted, and how can you commit when the day before the Olympics you might be fine, but the day of the SP, you can do nothing? I understand why she wanted to compete, and I understand why USFS and teevee wanted her to compete, but it was not a responsible decision, although she did the right thing in the end, and Emily Hughes was able to compete.
 
Jammers said:
Same here she needs to prove she is ready and not just say she is.
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Oh, they'll for sure have monitoring. From the Selection doc -

To be considered for selection by petition, the athlete must be able to prove competitive readiness by performing complete competition programs (SP/RD, FS/FD) with all planned program elements by a specified date, as approved and reviewed by a monitoring panel to be determined by the International Committee. In addition, U.S. Figure Skating medical personnel must verify that the athlete(s) will be physically ready to compete at the World Championships. If the petition is accepted, the athlete/team will be added to the pool.
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Jarrett said:
Levito actually has a stronger case than Michelle ever did for 2006. I know there’s was a report that she had all level three spins and was landing triples at her test skate but I really doubt it. Levito has skated this year and won medals. She is the reigning silver medalist. The judges are a fan. I don’t see the point in leaving her off if she can skate.
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You understand that what I was replying to was the comment that she wouldn’t be petitioning if she wasn’t ready, right?
 
When did Bradie change to the skating club of New York? Her and Denise were based out of suburban Chicago, like 75% of all the other US figure skaters lol.
 
Allskate said:
Nationals inflation is for real! :rofl: (I love you Amber, but this was not your season's best.)
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Well, none of these US skaters would get these scores internationally.

Do you honestly think Alysa would’ve scored 76 / 77 points in the short program internationally?

That triple toe in the combo would have for sure been called.
 
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
Well, none of these US skaters would get these scores internationally.

Do you honestly think Alysa would’ve scored 76 / 77 points in the short program internationally?
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No, I do not. As I said, Nationals inflation is for real. The chart makes that pretty clear. Amber is just one glaring example on there. Nationals inflation doesn't usually apply to just one skater.
 
Allskate said:
No, I do not. As I said, Nationals inflation is for real. The chart makes that pretty clear. Amber is just one glaring example on there. Nationals inflation doesn't usually apply to just one skater.
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I can’t wait to go back and watch Starr because I watched her program I was thinking maybe between 117 to 122 but that came in super high
 
Theatregirl1122 said:
You understand that what I was replying to was the comment that she wouldn’t be petitioning if she wasn’t ready, right?
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No I guess I don’t know what you are referring to or trying to say. I don’t think either of them would have petitioned if they thought wouldnt be ready. We have zero evidence that either of these skaters abused or are trying to abuse the petition process. I’m not aware of any skater that has done that. Are you? I am aware of skaters hiding injuries and showing up skating well below standard like Bobek at the Olympics and Flatt at Worlds. I’m also aware of skaters not hiding injuries who are too injured to compete and withdraw like Edmunds.
 
After looking at the protocols, I'd send Levito if she proves her fitness.

Of course anyone who petitions thinks they will be ready. But predictions aren't perfect, and sometimes they're not ready. There's also not an objective standard as to readiness. E.g., is a fall in the short program run-through and four triples in the free skate showing readiness?

I thought Kwan's test skate should have been public, or at least much more widely covered. Based on the few people who were allowed to see it and few details that were reported, she skated through her double axel and wasn't doing the jump. That alone should have been a DQ in my view, but again, it all comes down to judgment using vague criteria. Maybe scored test skates would be the way to go? In the end, it all worked out re: Kwan and hopefully will work out here, too.
 
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U.S. Figure Skating Names Women's World, World Junior and Four Continents Team Selections | U.S. Figure Skating

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2025 World Championships
Amber Glenn
Isabeau Levito*
Alysa Liu

Alternate 1: Sarah Everhardt
Alternate 2: Bradie Tennell
Alternate 3: Starr Andrews

*Pending Return to Play Protocol

2025 World Junior Championships
Elyce Lin-Gracey
Sophie Joline von Felten

Alternate 1: Logan Higase-Chen
Alternate 2: Sherry Zhang
Alternate 3: Josephine Lee

2025 Four Continents Championships
Sarah Everhardt
Amber Glenn
Alysa Liu

Alternate 1: Bradie Tennell
Alternate 2: Starr Andrews
Alternate 3: Sonja Hilmer
 
Karen-W said:
Surprised Amber is going to 4CCs with her back issue; and Elyce to Jr Worlds is a choice given how the GPs and Nats have gone.
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This is why we never have any junior worlds spots, honestly. USFSA is literally allergic to strategy.

I think Amber would be best served by withdrawing and getting some rest. She's had a long season and I don't think 4CC will do much for her.
 
Karen-W said:
Surprised Amber is going to 4CCs with her back issue; and Elyce to Jr Worlds is a choice given how the GPs and Nats have gone.
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I’m surprised too, I think we still may see a withdrawal, when I watched her free program for the 27th time at 1 AM this morning I noticed she said “my back” and wasn’t she saying that in China and France?
 
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