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No, that was Alysa Liu. I think that Mia Kalin is the second.Is Mia the first US Woman to land a clean quad in international competition? Woohoo!!!
No, that was Alysa Liu. I think that Mia Kalin is the second.Is Mia the first US Woman to land a clean quad in international competition? Woohoo!!!
I thought she landed the first quad in the US Nationals?No, that was Alysa Liu. I think that Mia Kalin is the second.
That too.I thought she landed the first quad in the US Nationals?
Mia is the first US woman to land a clean quad toe in international competition. She was also the first to land a clean quad toe domestically.Is Mia the first US Woman to land a clean quad in international competition? Woohoo!!!
Could she be any cuter?Ted Barton's winner's interview with Isabeau : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z6PDb95LpU
Alysa landed a quad at JGP Lake Placid two years ago for the first international quad for Americans.I thought she landed the first quad in the US Nationals?
Well, she has a clean quad toe. Who knows what her quad sal or lutz look like? The odd thing was the 4t-2t was beautiful but the solo 4t had issues. In general, she needs to not only clean up her rotations on her triples but she needs a lot more speed and power than she currently has. Watching Muravieva skate a couple of skaters before her and then Zhilina right after her in the SP made her deficiencies as a skater very clear and obvious.I find it interesting how Mia can get clean quads but her triples are a carrot fest. To succeed in the future she'll either have to lean in to the quads hard or she'll have to clean up those triples.
I think it’s important to remember that Mia seems to be the only one seriously chasing ultra c elements at this time (obviously trying to incorporate them into competition reality right now and presumably so they’ll last into the future, while avoiding injuries). Does anyone really know what that requires as someone training in the US (ie, not in an Eteri or Plushenko camp where everything including sk skills, choreo, dance, physiotherapy etc. is all integrated?). Really think about that for a second. Now think about the mastery of a quad for a moment and what it takes. The repetition involved to get your body to do the same thing consistently every time to maximize your result. Can you really expect consistency after a half a year of work on it, plus refinement of all the triples, better spins, and skating? And developing the stamina for it, and the experience (mental) competing internationally?Well, she has a clean quad toe. Who knows what her quad sal or lutz look like? The odd thing was the 4t-2t was beautiful but the solo 4t had issues. In general, she needs to not only clean up her rotations on her triples but she needs a lot more speed and power than she currently has. Watching Muravieva skate a couple of skaters before her and then Zhilina right after her in the SP made her deficiencies as a skater very clear and obvious.
PCS isn't just about presentation skills, though I would agree, Mia needs to work on that too. I didn't find her presentation to be extraordinarily bad compared to the Kosice field - though she wasn't killing it with star power the way, say, Vivien Papp of Hungary was, but, she wasn't any less wooden than, say, Adeliia Petrosian of Russia. Program Component Score very much does include power and speed - those are part of skating skills which is one of the PCS categories.Mia needs more than speed and power: she needs to develop presentation skills, which are dismal. She received mostly 5s in PCS, while Ava Ziegler got 7s. I enjoyed Ava's FS much more than I did Mia's. Figure skating is more than just jumps.
Only one of whom? Several girls in the US are training 3As or quads, not to mention Alysa, who has landed them. It's certainly possible to work on those elements and not treat literally everything else as an afterthought.I think it’s important to remember that Mia seems to be the only one seriously chasing ultra c elements at this time (obviously trying to incorporate them into competition reality right now and presumably so they’ll last into the future, while avoiding injuries). Does anyone really know what that requires as someone training in the US (ie, not in an Eteri or Plushenko camp where everything including sk skills, choreo, dance, physiotherapy etc. is all integrated?). Really think about that for a second. Now think about the mastery of a quad for a moment and what it takes. The repetition involved to get your body to do the same thing consistently every time to maximize your result. Can you really expect consistency after a half a year of work on it, plus refinement of all the triples, better spins, and skating? And developing the stamina for it, and the experience (mental) competing internationally?
I wouldn’t expect perfection overnight with this one, but the approach does seem worth cheering on.
Sorry, I disagree. Petrosian is a lively skater..look again at her facial expressions! Not as vivacious as Vivien Papp - Who is? - but quite expressive..... but, she wasn't any less wooden than, say, Adeliia Petrosian of Russia. ...are part of skating skills which is one of the PCS categories.
Of the four Russian ladies in Kosice, Petrosian was the "least" expressive to me. YMMV.Sorry, I disagree. Petrosian is a lively skater..look again at her facial expressions! Not as vivacious as Vivien Papp - Who is? - but quite expressive.
Are we talking about the same skater?...Petrosian is the one with the black hair, big expressive eyes...”Southern” features, like Medvedeva. Petrosian even flirted with the judges...playful expression in time to music.Of the four Russian ladies in Kosice, Petrosian was the "least" expressive to me. YMMV.
@melanieg @wickedwitch I was going to say... Still not sure what an Ultra-C is or who coined it (frankly, as someone who skates this an instant "I've never stepped foot on the ice" term), but I know it includes quads - or is it only ladies' quads? Does it count for male skaters too? Is a 3A "Ultra-C"? Idk.
But there are plenty of US ladies working on 3A's and quads who are more of a total package than Mia: Alysa has quads and a 3A (and trains at the same rink as Mia - so it's not like you say that Mia doesn't have the resources), Lindsay Thorngren and Isabeau Levito are working on quads (as are several other US Junior Ladies), Amber has a 3A, Starr has landed a 3A in the past, Bradie is training a 3A (possibly quads?), and we've seen clips of Gracie working on quads.
And this has been going on for decades in the US. Mirai/Kimmie/Tonya all landed 3As in competition. It's not like Mia is the first or only one in the US trying this stuff. She's not even the first to get it to competition.
And it's also outdated in gymnastics"Ultra-C" is a gymnastics term that is inapplicable to figure skating.
It kind of seems like we’re beating the same horse on 1 and 2… but on 3 I think it’s naive to think that environment and resources don’t make a difference when it comes to the pace and balance of a skater’s development. It’s the very reason USFS has tried to build training centers (broadmoor, Boston) that have integrated resources (with high level coaching, facilities, etc.).@melanieg It makes sense on a surface level, because it is tough to develop those skills, but it makes 0 sense when you look at it deeper.
1. This is NOT unique to US skaters including. The Russian teen ladies doing quads are hardly the whole package either. In fact, even Eteri's Seniors are often maligned for their bad choreography and poor skating skills.
2. This is NOT new to this era of quads in ladies skating. Ever heard the term "Junior-ish"? It's a term that's been used for decades to describe the lack of skating skills and artistic ability Juniors have that will develop in their Senior career. And it's not just used to describe US Juniors, but rather Juniors in general, world wide.
3. It's not related to time, resources, or training environment. It's linked to the progression of how things are traditionally learned and valued. It's expected skaters on the Junior circuit will develop jumps first and then grow into artistry and skating skills later. So while Juniors those resources are split more towards learning tech content. Then as they master the jumps and (for the most part) max out their tech potential in Juniors/teen Senior seasons they start to shift to a larger portion of their training being artistry oriented. Completely normal.
Thank you!!Mia is the first US woman to land a clean quad toe in international competition. She was also the first to land a clean quad toe domestically.
Mia is the second US woman to land a clean quad, period, both internationally and domestically (Alysa being the first, with 4Lz).
There will be a Winter Olympics in February. China nor the IOC are going to postpone for an extra year. And the results will be just as legitimate as the ones from the Tokyo Olympics last month. The skills to required to win in figure skating are no less brutal than many other sports, both summer and winter, and the challenges have been universal.Does anyone besides me (and I will admit my mind is a very scary place) think that there will not be an Olympics for the current crop (Tinnell, Chen, et al)?
And if they do hold something call The Olympics, how can they possibly annotate the results? Where is Uncle Dick when you need him?
There are skaters who have been sick, trainers who have been sick, facilities that have been closed, and on and on. Cases of ********* 19 continue to rise in the US., and the MU version is on the way.
Add to that, the skills required to win are brutal on the body.
One thing for sure....................Journalists have to be prohibited from asking "How do you feel about the (fill in the blank), that had to be put in place because of *********.
Of course not. Have you met me? I just think it would be repetitive and boring.Are you seriously suggesting that the freedom of the press and freedom of speech in general, two fundamentals of democracy, be prohibited?
This is such an odd comment to me. The American junior women are having their best season in quite some time? Levito and Thorngren are competitive with the Russians.There is the sense (about the American women) that they are falling farther and farther behind the Russians. The US program has not been producing champions for at least 20 years. I think it's time for US Figure Skating to assess where they are going wrong in reference to developing their female figure skating talent.
Yes, but even someone like Trusova has this gigantic beautiful 4T and is just barely scraping by rotating some triples later on in the program.It is odd to see a young talent who can rotate quads but not triples.
I get the sense that you have some sort of personal axe to grind with this skater or her team? I don’t know who you are or what your affiliation is with the club there, but your tone very clearly reflects some sort of negative sentiment.@layman It's definitely a problem with her specific team. Her club has a nationally renowned spin specialist that helped top US skaters before. Locally there's high level coaches like Massimo Scali and Kim Novarro with ice dance backgrounds to help with footwork. There's several jump technicians. What she needs isn't a centralized training center as one poster proposed, it's for her team to wake up and realize they need help. And, as much as I know her/Alysa's club is supportive, sometimes they're too supportive to give harsh but much needed advice.