Starr was skating great in the early summer last season as well. It appears her growth spurt is actually working to her advantage (compared to so many others). Will be interesting to see how she fares on Junior Grand Prix.
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Starr was skating great in the early summer last season as well. It appears her growth spurt is actually working to her advantage (compared to so many others). Will be interesting to see how she fares on Junior Grand Prix.
I don't think it's just that the lower levels are increasing their content, but that USFS has done a philosophical switch that doesn't look solely at nationals results to be considered. It used to be that you had to compete at nationals and you were pretty much guaranteed an assignment in the order that you finished--and there was only room for the top juniors and maybe the novice national champ on the international circuit. USFS has both expanded their international events to include Jr Bs and adv. novice (while the number of JGP events have shrunk) and began to take summer monitoring seriously.
That's not correct. Gold was a junior in 2011 (DNQ) and 2012. At 2011 junior nationals, Hicks landed a 3f-3t in both her programs. In 2012, in addition to Gold, Edmunds landed a 3f-3t and Kulgeyko attempted a 3t-3t.
Is the AHPDP list available on-line? Would be interesting to see who is on it.
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Is ISP only for Junior or lower skaters? I recall seeing Alexia pass the Senior Test
No, the ISP includes any skater/team that is eligible to be considered for an international assignment - JGP, GP, Senior B, etc.
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ETA the 28 ladies currently listed in the ISP:
Assigned to the Grand Prix:
Mariah Bell
Karen Chen
Polina Edmunds
Gracie Gold
Mirai Nagasu
Ashley Wagner
1 TBD at Skate America
Have competed Senior at Nationals (* = still ISU Junior age-eligible):
Franchesca Chiera
Amber Glenn*
Courtney Hicks
Tessa Hong*
Avery Kurtz
Hannah Miller
Paige Rydberg*
Livvy Shilling
Bradie Tennell
Angela Wang
Megan Wessenberg*
Caroline Zhang
ISU Junior age-eligible:
Starr Andrews
Ting Cui
Hanna Harrell - assigned to Asian Open Trophy
Angelina Huang
Ashley Kim
Ashley Lin
Emmy Ma
Kaitlyn Nguyen
Nina Ouellette
Audrey Shin - assigned to Asian Open Trophy
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Maybe Alexa now how to get on the ISP as a senior after she passed her test?
Lower levels are increasing their content. 2013 was the first year that Juveniles and Intermediates went to Nationals. That year the #1 Intermediate lady did no triple and the #2 lady did only a 3S-2T. At Nationals last year, even the last place finisher did 3 different triples and the #1 in long had 4 different triples in her program and one of those was a 3S-1L (underrotated)-3S. I believe those changes are due to the bonus system. Last year's Intermediate class (Novices this year) is the first class to have benefited from that system from their Juv days so that is why it is so strong. From what I have seen, it is probably stronger than the class "above" it (which is this year Juniors).
Since the US ladies did so poorly at Junior Worlds, USFS had two choices - reduce the number of ladies getting to skate internationally OR expand their number of international events beyond just JGP. I am glad they chose the ladder.
Since the US ladies did so poorly at Junior Worlds, USFS had two choices - reduce the number of ladies getting to skate internationally OR expand their number of international events beyond just JGP. I am glad they chose the ladder.
As a follow-up to my last comment, the last year's #2 Intermediate (Emily Zhang out of Richmond) did skate at the Chesapeake Open which was a couple of weeks back. She only did a short (no long) at the Junior level and won. So I suspect she is trying to get away from that really tough class by moving up to the weaker class.
Which Emily Zhang is this? Both of them had all their triples and one had a 3S+1/2+3S in the second half. Technically their both well beyond most rising Novices. I don't blame them for moving on because they would just dominate novice level and wouldn't be challenged properly.
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Emily Zhang (Richmond, VA) won the Intermediate FS at Nationals in K.C. and placed 4th overall (pewter medal). She competed Junior SP & FS at a small club competition in early April and scored 92+ in FS, 132 overall, which is just outside the top 10 nationally at this early point of the season. She is coached by the notable Russian coach Valentyn Nikolayev (he taught Oksana Baiul, Viktor Petrenko, Viachislav Zagorodniuk) and she landed 3Lz and went for 3F+3Lo<< in her Chesapeake Open Jr. SP last month - link to her protocol: http://baltimorefigureskatingclub.c...s/2011/02/T2ACO_JuniorLadies155_SP_Scores.pdf
Emily M. Zhang (SC of New York) was 5th in Intermediate at Eastern Sectionals (1st alternate to 2017 Nationals from her section; eta: she fell on opening 3Lz & 3F< in her ambitious FS) and has been competing Novice this season.
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Thanks for clarifying. I've been getting them mixed up for two years since they're both at eastern sectionals. I should've realized she had a high level coach based on her skills. I hope she does well, but +3Lo combo seldom goes well.
I don't think anyone can classify this year's Junior field (either nationally or within Emily's region or section) as being "weaker". I have no first-hand knowledge of the situation, but I assume Emily decided to move up b/c she has the skills to be competitive within Junior Ladies.
At least at the competitions I have been to this year, my statement is correct. I will be at Philly later this month and I am curious if that will change my view.
The current class of Novices are super good!
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At any given club comp, except for the major ones, there may be one or two top skaters at any given level. If you are using Chesapeake as an example, I would suggest that probably isn't representative of the overall fields in Novice and Junior Ladies either nationally or in the SA region. Most top Juniors and Seniors will likely compete once, maybe twice all summer, enough for monitoring purposes and to get their programs out in front of a judging panel to see their levels. Chesapeake isn't one of the major comps for freestyle skaters. The fields in Philly will be stronger, but there is also Skate Detroit, Glacier Falls, Broadmoor, and some top skaters don't compete at any of those, choosing to stay closer to home until Regionals.
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From 1999-2012, Juveniles and Intermediates went to Nationals - it was a separate competition called Junior Nationals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Junior_Figure_Skating_Championships
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I agree that the bonus points for ambitious jumps have made a significant difference in the content being attempted and executed throughout the developmental levels in USFS. I think both this rule and the effort to increase international opportunities outside JGP (as well as the use of summer competitions in addition to previous-season nationals results to determine international assignments) are direct responses to how poorly the US ladies have done on the JGP and at JW the past several years.
I also think they made these changes too late. I am excited about the talent in the pipeline currently, but I doubt any of those skaters is going to be ready to contend on the senior international stage for another whole Olympic cycle. There are going to be some disappointing years for fans of the US ladies after Ashley retires. I hope Karen Chen (and perhaps others) prove me wrong.
I also think they made these changes too late. I am excited about the talent in the pipeline currently, but I doubt any of those skaters is going to be ready to contend on the senior international stage for another whole Olympic cycle. There are going to be some disappointing years for fans of the US ladies after Ashley retires. I hope Karen Chen (and perhaps others) prove me wrong.
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Correct but at that time people distinguished between the two since they were held different weeks at different locations.
The qualifying structure for reaching the two was also different. For Senior Nationals (Novice and up), it was how it is currently done. For Juv and Intermediates, you qualified at Regionals and went directly to Nationals (no Sectionals). The total number of skaters actually reaching Jr Nationals was much larger and how many advanced per Region was determined as a % of total make-up, not a set number.
When the two morphed into one, the qualifying structure became the same for all levels which I think also hurt the younger skaters since,fewer could get the big competition experience.
Correct but at that time people distinguished between the two since they were held different weeks at different locations.
The qualifying structure for reaching the two was also different. For Senior Nationals (Novice and up), it was how it is currently done. For Juv and Intermediates, you qualified at Regionals and went directly to Nationals (no Sectionals). The total number of skaters actually reaching Jr Nationals was much larger and how many advanced per Region was determined as a % of total make-up, not a set number.
When the two morphed into one, the qualifying structure became the same for all levels which I think also hurt the younger skaters since,fewer could get the big competition experience.
I agree it took USFS too long to implement the bonus system and that is why we have this gap in talent. I think that in the 2022 Olympics, we will see mostly young skaters that grew up under this bonus system from the time they were Juvs.
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Is there any news on Elise Freezer?
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Elise Freezer has switched back to coach Tom Zakrajsek and placed 2nd in Intermediate Ladies at Broadmoor Open last month. Her FS music is Firebird, which suits her energetic style of skating well.
Alena Budko, age 11, won last month's Broadmoor Open Intermediate Ladies event with these 2 programs:
SP (3S+2T, 3Lo 2-fted, 2A): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmQiBPEdTfI
FS (what is the name of this very familiar waltz music?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc7dbM1ujcA
Courtney Hicks showed the design drawing of her short program dress: https://www.instagram.com/p/BWgffllBktr/?taken-by=courtneynhicks&hl=en
She also shared her SP music: "Nocturne" performed by cellist Yo Yo Ma. It's from La Califfa (The Lady Caliph), composed by Ennio Morricone, and choreographed by Rohene Ward. She is scheduled to make her season debut at Skate Detroit next week.
Alena Budko, age 11, won last month's Broadmoor Open Intermediate Ladies event with these 2 programs:
SP (3S+2T, 3Lo 2-fted, 2A): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmQiBPEdTfI
FS (what is the name of this very familiar waltz music?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc7dbM1ujcA
Courtney Hicks showed the design drawing of her short program dress: https://www.instagram.com/p/BWgffllBktr/?taken-by=courtneynhicks&hl=en
She also shared her SP music: "Nocturne" performed by cellist Yo Yo Ma. It's from La Califfa (The Lady Caliph), composed by Ennio Morricone, and choreographed by Rohene Ward. She is scheduled to make her season debut at Skate Detroit next week.
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^^^ Thank you for identifying Doga! (I didn't know the name of this particular waltz.)
Karen Chen, Mariah Bell, Polina Edmunds, Courtney Hicks, Elizaveta Kulik (J8 at Nationals), Avery Kurtz, Vivian Le, Emmy Ma (J4), Kaitlyn Nguyen (J1), Nina Ouellette (J6), Rebecca Peng, Livvy Shilling, Megan Wessenberg and Caroline Zhang are among the 29 ladies currently registered to compete at the Glacier Falls Summer Classic at the end of this month (I just started a thread for this club competition in the Kiss & Cry section).
Karen Chen, Mariah Bell, Polina Edmunds, Courtney Hicks, Elizaveta Kulik (J8 at Nationals), Avery Kurtz, Vivian Le, Emmy Ma (J4), Kaitlyn Nguyen (J1), Nina Ouellette (J6), Rebecca Peng, Livvy Shilling, Megan Wessenberg and Caroline Zhang are among the 29 ladies currently registered to compete at the Glacier Falls Summer Classic at the end of this month (I just started a thread for this club competition in the Kiss & Cry section).
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Oh, My Sweet and Tender Beast, of course! Thanks.
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..... actually Doga has 2 different valses...Gramofon and Sweet and Tender Beast. People often confuse it, because in youtube videos the "gramofon" is often super-imposed on to film clips from Sweent and Tender Beast.
SATB - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvUg7KLAclA
Gramofon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p0pe-1_xUk
Doga has more valses.... VERY beautiful..
"On the Boat" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7IT7KxNgM
"Valse of Butterflies" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvhlFo-YH0
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That's a very stacked lineup for so early in the season. Of course I don't expect every lady listed now to actually skate at Glacier Falls, but as of now this roster is
That's a very stacked lineup for so early in the season. Of course I don't expect every lady listed now to actually skate at Glacier Falls, but as of now this roster is
I suspect the judging panel roster is similarly stacked ... word gets around ... monitoring sessions happen for skaters not attending Champs Camp ... and it's a very productive event in more than one way. Exciting roster for sure.
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McIsaac, Brynne Washington FSC
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Weaver, Cailey Panthers FSC
Leighow, Morgan Washington FSC
Young, Ashley Washington FSC
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Gonzalez-Sigler, Irina Orlando FSC
Morris, Taylor Skokie Valley SC
Doran, Taylor Jersey Coast FSC
Schacher, Emily Ice House Of New Jersey FSC
Levitina, Kristine Pines FSC
Beavers, Haley Washington FSC
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Haley not skating. Karen Chen in.
(I'm a huge fan of Cailey Weaver. She has a few solid triples and a LOT of personality on ice. She's also the skater in the USFSA #GetUp videos. From what I can tell on Instagram, she just started college this year. )
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Peng, Rebecca The Skating Club of Boston
Buckalew, Kendal Carolinas FSC
Mischuk, Chelsea North Jersey FSC
McIsaac, Brynne Washington FSC
Cagnassola, Kimberly The Skating Club of New York
Weaver, Cailey Panthers FSC
Leighow, Morgan Washington FSC
Young, Ashley Washington FSC
Agler, Eve The Skating Club of New York
Gonzalez-Sigler, Irina Orlando FSC
Morris, Taylor Skokie Valley SC
Doran, Taylor Jersey Coast FSC
Schacher, Emily Ice House Of New Jersey FSC
Levitina, Kristine Pines FSC
Beavers, Haley Washington FSC
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Haley not skating. Karen Chen in.
(I'm a huge fan of Cailey Weaver. She has a few solid triples and a LOT of personality on ice. She's also the skater in the USFSA #GetUp videos. From what I can tell on Instagram, she just started college this year. )
Sorry! Forgot I was posting in US Ladies and not the competition thread. I can move this.
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