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Well Dave is dating a RepubliTrump so it's not such a wild dream.
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Well Dave is dating a RepubliTrump so it's not such a wild dream.
Aftershocks, are you aware that there is a long-standing debate in the classical music world as to whether Porgy is an opera or a musical? I don’t agree that Jonathan was being dismissive about it.
So you want her to be treated "as special" and not critique because she is Black? TSL is nasty to soooooo many skaters... why should Starr be an exception? (not that i like their nastiness in general towards anyone..).....looking down on Starr Andrews, a young skater of color in a sport that has few athletes of color represented.
Because not all critiques are equal and last time I watched a video of theirs there were tons of Russian fans complaining about their anti-Russian bias and not getting Russian aesthetics. One can be discriminating to multiple groups. That doesn’t take away problematic attitudes and thinking towards a particular group.
There’s a lot to unpack with all this bile spewed by Dave.
1. Porgy and Bess was originally an opera, written by Gershwin himself. The made into a musical for a film in the 1959.
2. Dave is lying about Starr’s mother’s conversation. Starr has had many programs skated with not African American artist or theme related. Romeo and Juliet, Debussy, Swan Lake, Pink Panther, and Kung Fu Panda. All of these have been choreographed by her main coach, Derrick Delmore.
3. AFAIK, both her SP and FS are choreographed by Derrick as well. So I highly doubt suddenly she started to talk to outside choreographers this year.
4. Someone skating to music that is from the same race, nationality, or religion as you does not make you a novelty. Nor does that mean that you want to go viral. Starr went viral by accident. At no time has she or her other deliberately tried to make her videos go viral again. If anything she is focused on becoming a serious competitor.
5. Surya often wore Unitards because they didn’t make skating tights in her color. That’s also why she had a boot “sock”, to give the illusion she was wearing tights.
6. Starr has been wearing unitards every year since she was in novice. She likes them.
7. The FS is actually, the Rain Maker by Hans Zimmer.
8. Dave lease is a complete (*&%^A).
Who?Well Dave is dating a RepubliTrump so it's not such a wild dream.
I think even calling her a "novelty" is not the best choice of words... if she was a different race would she still be a novelty? Idk, that whole segment about Starr rubbed me the wrong way...I don't think we should be surprised, though. Dave is terrible to everyone.There’s a lot to unpack with all this bile spewed by Dave.
1. Porgy and Bess was originally an opera, written by Gershwin himself. The made into a musical for a film in the 1959.
2. Dave is lying about Starr’s mother’s conversation. Starr has had many programs skated with not African American artist or theme related. Romeo and Juliet, Debussy, Swan Lake, Pink Panther, and Kung Fu Panda. All of these have been choreographed by her main coach, Derrick Delmore.
3. AFAIK, both her SP and FS are choreographed by Derrick as well. So I highly doubt suddenly she started to talk to outside choreographers this year.
4. Someone skating to music that is from the same race, nationality, or religion as you does not make you a novelty. Nor does that mean that you want to go viral. Starr went viral by accident. At no time has she or her other deliberately tried to make her videos go viral again. If anything she is focused on becoming a serious competitor.
5. Surya often wore Unitards because they didn’t make skating tights in her color. That’s also why she had a boot “sock”, to give the illusion she was wearing tights.
6. Starr has been wearing unitards every year since she was in novice. She likes them.
7. The FS is actually, the Rain Maker by Hans Zimmer.
8. Dave lease is a complete (*&%^A).
I think even calling her a "novelty" is not the best choice of words... if she was a different race would she still be a novelty? Idk, that whole segment about Starr rubbed me the wrong way...I don't think we should be surprised, though. Dave is terrible to everyone.
This was addressed probably on the first or second page of this long thread, but the same people come here to complain and give exact commentary of the videos every time they go up.
You’re still giving him/them attention, whether it’s the off-season and there’s not much skating news elsewhere or not. Dave showed his methods long ago and it’s old news. Watch with the expectation of him being an awful person and you won’t have anything to complain about. Or don’t watch at all and don’t give him the views and steam to continue.
Besides creating gossips (not repeating but creating) and conspiracy theories, Davis/TSL can be vile about any skater or pair, if he disagrees with or dislikes something/everything in their skating. He usually attacks "the theme", "the subject" or the skater's "shtick".
If the "shtick" is "tutu" for Zagitova, he'll attack the "tutu", like he did again in this interview.
If the "shtick" is "mime" like in Med's routines, he'll attack "mime" issue.
If the "issue" for Nagasu is "under-rotation", he'll attack "under-rotation".
If a skater poses as "flirty one", he'll go after "flirty"
He finds an "issue/theme" associated with a skater and goes after it.
So, if Starr's mother clearly stated that she wants only African-American music artists for her daughter's programmes, then "Af-Am programmes" is the "shtick"/"issue".. There is nothing "racist" or "un-PC" is David's addressing "the given shtick/issue" if it is the issue that is identified or made obvious by the skater's team.
If Starr's team chose to position her not just as "another skater" but specifically as "Af-Am skater" and to highlight her "ethnic origin and race", then just like with "tutu", "mime", "too sexy", "too theatrical", "too xxxx", the Af-Am issue will be part of the discussion.
I think David presents so many "fake news" that it is more like the Democratic Candidate rally.
In the context of their snark-filled discussion of Starr's programs, they were definitely being dismissive of Porgy & Bess. Read how he referenced Porgy & Bess: "It doesn't know if it's an opera or a musical..." Don't miss the forest for the trees @Tavi, unless you are hoping like @Tinami Amori is, to soft-pedal Dave's and Jonathan's bias-filled commentary away from anything to do with looking down on Starr Andrews, a young skater of color in a sport that has few athletes of color represented. And that doesn't mean she requires coddling nor special handling either. She does deserve respect. Obviously, Dave is not someone who gives anyone much respect, but that fact is not going to make me ignore or sweep under the rug his OTT snarky bias against Starr Andrews.
It's one thing to make fair, critical comments about the weaknesses of a young athlete, no matter their heritage and background. But that's not what Dave and Jonathan were doing here. From beginning to end, it was all negativity and smirky dismissiveness. They had nothing positive to say whatsoever.
I can see it coming now. Everyone who feels uncomfortable is going to downplay these despicable comments by Dave and Jonathan. It's already happening. By doing so, it helps everyone else take cover behind their own ingrained, unexplored biases.
Listening further, I see they did immediately launch into a brief discussion of Bradie's new programs right where I left off the transcript. They couldn't say anything negative about the boffo triple jump combo Bradie performed (which is mostly all we saw in the posted clip). Then Jonathan attempts to say something positive about Bradie's opening moves, and Dave jumps in: "Don't overblow it. Like Boyang Jin, I am still like..." (gives side-eye). Dave mentions someone at Skating Protocol who is a 'big Boyang Jin fan.' They go on to discuss the comeback of Dai Takahashi (apparently fawning rather than negative), and then Dave mentions something positive about posting a clip of a nice triple flip by Gracie.
Their OTT nastiness is so sad, because more extensive skating coverage is needed. I guess that people who agree to go on the podcast for interviews don't know a lot about Dave's negativity, and there aren't any other real opportunities for in-depth interviews during the off-season especially. Particularly, now with IceNetwork being defunct.
They really need to apologize to Starr Andrews and her family. But I guess that won't ever happen. Many people in the skating community are now ignoring TSL, so the word needs to get out more widely. What keeps them going are their fans and supporters like Sandra Bezic, Meagan Duhamel, and perhaps Christine Brennan and Phil Hersh, who give them a pass which helps them maintain some credibility. And I'm sad to have to say that there must be some people in the skating community who actually agree with their negative commentary.
No i mean all the fake news and violent crap at Democratic Rallies and in the media..You mean Trump/Republican rally...
they apologize when they have to....Not that I heard the apology. During the exhibition of 2017 cdns he completely trashed Lubov and Dylan...said Sandra Bezic was an unfair Choreographer as she made I/M look like they had chemistry when they had none. That Julie Marcotte was a terrible choreographer and Quebec teams had no choice but to use her. Anyway I did not listen to him for months and then it popped up somewhere that he had interviewed Sandra Bezic which I found unbelievable so I looked up the CDN interview and Most of his nastiness had been removed from it so he must have done some groveling and removed stuff to make peace. I cannot see Meagan dealing with him as well with Julie Marcotte being her sister-in-law so that must have been settled.
You’re still giving him/them attention, whether it’s the off-season and there’s not much skating news elsewhere or not.
Very few are giving Dave any slack..So apparently there are plenty of other people who have been willing to give Dave some slack too. And then even more people who are probably unaware of the extent of his nastiness. And others who are willing to continue overlooking it for one reason or another.
In the context of their snark-filled discussion of Starr's programs, they were definitely being dismissive of Porgy & Bess. Read how he referenced Porgy & Bess: "It doesn't know if it's an opera or a musical..." Don't miss the forest for the trees @Tavi, unless you are hoping like @Tinami Amori is, to soft-pedal Dave's and Jonathan's bias-filled commentary away from anything to do with looking down on Starr Andrews, a young skater of color in a sport that has few athletes of color represented. And that doesn't mean she requires coddling nor special handling either. She does deserve respect. Obviously, Dave is not someone who gives anyone much respect, but that fact is not going to make me ignore or sweep under the rug his OTT snarky bias against Starr Andrews.
It's one thing to make fair, critical comments about the weaknesses of a young athlete, no matter their heritage and background. But that's not what Dave and Jonathan were doing here. From beginning to end, it was all negativity and smirky dismissiveness. They had nothing positive to say whatsoever.
I can see it coming now. Everyone who feels uncomfortable is going to downplay these despicable comments by Dave and Jonathan. It's already happening. By doing so, it helps everyone else take cover behind their own ingrained, unexplored biases.
our “pet issue” with Blacks is not more important than my "pet issue" with Russians, both to us sound equally offensive… and that’s my point.
I’m not hoping to soft pedal anything
If you noticed only Starr's issue and not the other offenses, then it is a pet issue. He was equally nasty to several skaters.^^ I don't have a 'pet issue.'
"Russians" as an ethnic group are not of Slavic origin only, they are mixed with several other ethnic groups.That's your shtick and your ignorant gall. And another thing for you to swallow and regurgitate in whatever fashion you choose: 'Blacks' is a faux manmade term, not an 'ethnic' group. 'Russians' is an 'ethnic' group, one that is among the many different groups which make up present day people of Slavic origin.