The Heir, The Spare and the “Baby Brain” -The Prince Harry and Meghan show rumbles on…

He is part of the royal family of Great Britain! Why doesn’t he understand that means duties and public duties and responsibilities also to public?! Even as a child he is not excused. That’s just how it works.
 
For those interested in watching Anderson Cooper's interview with Prince Harry for 60 Minutes that's scheduled to air on CBS tomorrow evening in the U.S.:
Preview clips are available: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-british-press-bigotry-60-minutes-2022-01-05/
I thought Prince Harry came across well overall in his 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper just now (a figure skating fan "bonus" was an interview with film music composer Hans Zimmer afterwards. :D).
 
I thought Prince Harry came across well overall in his 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper just now (a figure skating fan "bonus" was an interview with film music composer Hans Zimmer afterwards. :D).
Anderson Cooper really soft-balled it in this interview, so the bar for Harry coming across well was pretty low.

I enjoyed the Hans Zimmer interview afterwards too!
 
Didn’t Prince Charles talk about how unloving Prince Philip and the Queen were as parents in the 90s? What Harry’s doing is nothing new. The Royal family has always been a ridiculous soap opera and this really is all just keeping with tradition.
 
Man, I want to watch the Hans Zimmer interview!

I won't read Harry's book. I'm not into the Royals at all. Didn't watch the Oprah interview, haven't watched the documentary. Did watch the highlights above. Harry came across well, IMO.
 
Didn’t Prince Charles talk about how unloving Prince Philip and the Queen were as parents in the 90s? What Harry’s doing is nothing new. The Royal family has always been a ridiculous soap opera and this really is all just keeping with tradition.
Oh it was definitely karma for Charles.

But Charles didn’t throw his siblings under the bus.

William didn’t though give interviews. William didn’t deserve deeply personal things like his private parts or his feelings about Camilla being revealed.
 
I'm not going to read the book. Those are hours I'll never get back in my life.

On a side note, :sekret: in Santa Barbara tell me that Harry comes into the Rite Aid drug store fairly often, but always alone and never with Meghan. They love him because he's got the British charm.
 
Hasn’t it been a couple of months since the book. And a lot has happened I read there were some regrets about things in the book.

I also think to it’s an interview without Meghan.

I don’t think Harry ever wanted the skin color thing out there to begin with and he didn’t look comfortable when she was making fun of courtseying.

The thing is I think Charles will forgive him he is the Dad just like Queen Elizabeth will.

But William and Kate that’s a whole different ball of wax. They will never trust Meghan.

In the end what is said in the book was said in the book.
 
I think Harry is coming across well in his interviews. I will wait to read the book as British media manipulation is famous and some have their head in the sand when it comes to royals, like my family in England, good obedient subjects that they are. I am curious how this will all end though?
 
I think Harry is coming across well in his interviews. I will wait to read the book as British media manipulation is famous and some have their head in the sand when it comes to royals, like my family in England, good obedient subjects that they are. I am curious how this will all end though?
Can't say I agree. I think he is coming across as absolutely convinced that the world is black and white and until his family agrees with his perceptions on everything that has passed there really isn't any hope for reconciliation. He refuses to acknowledge any nuance and he is always the wronged party. He is the only one (well, and Meghan) who has any clarity about anything, and everyone else is complicit in whatever the British tabloid media has done to tear them down.
 
If i was a famous influential person I wouldn't want them around they are not trustworthy
You have a point here. The future of Harry doesn't look as bright as he may think although they made a fortune out of their story. It's perfectly possible that he will suffer social stigma in his new environment though a lot of people who condemn him will buy the book.

I think it was Caesar who said:
"The world loves treason but not the traitor."
 
On a side note, :sekret: in Santa Barbara tell me that Harry comes into the Rite Aid drug store fairly often, but always alone and never with Meghan. They love him because he's got the British charm.
I wonder what he buys if he comes so often? Hair growth formula?
 
I think that therapy was more focused on the issues arising from Diana's death. But there's something else which it seems that Harry has only started to grapple with since he met Meghan and I doubt there has been any real help or acknowledgement from his family to address it; the problem is that he is part of a family whose status relies on setting one sibling above another.

Even if they had perfect parents in a stable marriage and hadn't lost their mother at a young age, William and Harry would have been forced into the golden child and scapegoat model someone else mentioned earlier because William is perceived as more important by virtue of being older. William will be more protected and his misdemeanours will be hushed up because he is expected to be king. William has a defined role and path, and if Harry did have one before they left, it would be in service of his brother. It's a pattern that you see in at least the last three generations of the BRF, and I really doubt that anyone beyond the most selfless individual could go through that as a child and young adult and not be disturbed by it.

If as a family the royals ever did face up to this and address it, they'd have to ask questions that undermine their entire position. It feels to me that Harry is starting to work this out, but hasn't fully followed the logic all the way to the end. He wants a caring family, but a caring family wouldn't buy in to an institution that does this to people.

This post nails it. It doesn't absolve Harry at all, but it touches on issues better than posters who seem intent on ignoring it. The BRF is not a normal family. They've had issues with this very thing for centuries. To properly deal with it would be bad for their brand and that's what matters most to them. So how on earth can anyone think this group has any moral high ground?

You made me think of this, lol.


Glad my joke wasn't in vain!

For those of us (me), who have a lifelong love of the royal family and particularly the Queen, it is not so easy to just ignore Harry's allegations. It greatly saddens me that somehow her great legacy of 70 years can be so overshadowed by one grandson, and whether you read every word he has written or not, it must be realized it is his point of view. I think there is no doubt he left England angry he could not remain a part-time working royal. Her family and the monarchy are Queen Elizabeth's life's work. She may not have been a hands-on mother, who knows, but she appeared to be a very doting grandmother and much loved by her grandchildren. I love how Eugenie and Beatrice speak of their "granny". Harry named his daughter after her but I, for one, am glad she is not here to witness this. JMHO

Okay, but what was Elizabeth's life's work? What did it actually represent? I would love an explanation that doesn't come back to maintaining the crown, because that's not duty, that's self service. I think you've glorified a woman and institution that do not deserve it whatsoever, but I can't figure if it's because you don't want to see reality, or if you do believe monarchies have a place in society. And if you think they do, I'd like to hear why.
 
This post nails it. It doesn't absolve Harry at all, but it touches on issues better than posters who seem intent on ignoring it. The BRF is not a normal family. They've had issues with this very thing for centuries. To properly deal with it would be bad for their brand and that's what matters most to them. So how on earth can anyone think this group has any moral high ground?
Come on. I have not heard anything that does not happen in an ordinary family. Spare? Lord, many women give birth to children so that their husband does not leave them. Do you think it's nice to know you were born to save a marriage? Family favorites? And in ordinary families everyone is loved equally, of course. Media attention and tabloids? In any small town, everyone will know about your every sneeze in 5 minutes.
Harry's problem is not that he has a ROYAL family, but that he has a royal FAMILY.
 
Okay, but what was Elizabeth's life's work? What did it actually represent? I would love an explanation that doesn't come back to maintaining the crown, because that's not duty, that's self service. I think you've glorified a woman and institution that do not deserve it whatsoever, but I can't figure if it's because you don't want to see reality, or if you do believe monarchies have a place in society. And if you think they do, I'd like to hear why.
I remember sitting in a poli sci class and being told that Elizabeth's job is to maintain the face of the UK, as it wants represented to the world. That having the monarchy allows the identity of the UK to be separate from its politics, unlike the situation in the US. I'd be interested to know if that is what people in the UK think as well.

I'm especially interested in seeing what the young people in the UK think. Is the monarchy a good representation of the state? Or would an elected head of state be better?
 
Harry’s self-interest will not be regarded as anything unusual in the LA area, for gods sake. The place that invented celebrities famous for being famous?

I’m not much interested in all this except as an example of social trends. In a society where every nobody writes a memoir about their fascinating lives :rolleyes: at least Harry has got a family of interest to many.
 
Harry’s self-interest will not be regarded as anything unusual in the LA area, for gods sake. The place that invented celebrities famous for being famous?

I’m not much interested in all this except as an example of social trends. In a society where every nobody writes a memoir about their fascinating lives :rolleyes: at least Harry has got a family of interest to many.
Yes. I wonder if people are more interested in Harry's family than they are in him. What will this mean for H&M's cause-driven future?
 
Just catching up here but personally I thought they picked that coronation date to accomodate the May Day holiday. I know businesses were saying they couldn't afford a second bank holiday so they probably picked the first Saturday in May and will either move May Day or say it was a 4 day week already so no other holiday needed.

For all we know Charles didn't remember it was Archie's birthday - I've seen that happy to us peons my friend excitedly booked her wedding June 29th not realizing it was the Canada Day weekend (July 1st is the holiday) - she was so upset thinking people were going to skip her wedding since it was a long weekend that people normally go away.
As for entitled people - I had a trip booked with my husband to Italy one summer and we had a wedding to go to as well. Well the couple moved they're wedding date up (groom was getting nervous so bride moved it) and then were angry we wouldn't change our trip - sorry I'm not rebooking plane and train and hotels to accommodate your wedding.
 
Just catching up here but personally I thought they picked that coronation date to accomodate the May Day holiday. I know businesses were saying they couldn't afford a second bank holiday so they probably picked the first Saturday in May and will either move May Day or say it was a 4 day week already so no other holiday needed.
That's definitely not the reason - we're getting an extra bank holiday for the coronation in addition to May Day and the late spring bank holiday. Three Mondays in May are holidays in 2023.
 
Come on. I have not heard anything that does not happen in an ordinary family.
That's the problem, isn't it? When Charles and Diana were going through their very public troubles, I remember commentators bemoaning the suburban quality of it all and how it really destroyed the mystique of the royal family by making it so clear that they are just as common as everyone else. I think that's a big part of the fascination with the royals and celebrities who get themselves in trouble--there they are, with everything they could ever want and they are still schmucks like the rest of us, only with lots of money and public platforms and a lot more neighbors twitching the curtains.
 
He is part of the royal family of Great Britain! Why doesn’t he understand that means duties and public duties and responsibilities also to public?! Even as a child he is not excused. That’s just how it works.
So your opinion is that royals don't deserve a life? That their mental health doesn't matter & that being hounded every time they step outside their door is just one of those things? You sound like the people who make celebrities lives a living hell. And you think even children deserve this because of their parent(s) fame or royal bloodline.

I saw an article today that used the phrase "Harry exhaustion". I think that's what I'm experiencing right now. He needs to take a step back & quit all the interviews if he wants to be relevant in the future. I remember when Mary Lou Retton won the Oly all-round & we saw her face on everything for ages. I was a fan but I got tired of her.
 

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