The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Who do we think will go senior even tho they can stay junior? I would think C/P stay another year as the scene is pretty crowded in US, but for Lajoie/Lagha perhaps is a good move to move up, should W/P retire.
 
levineismine said:
Who do we think will go senior even tho they can stay junior? I would think C/P stay another year as the scene is pretty crowded in US, but for Lajoie/Lagha perhaps is a good move to move up, should W/P retire.
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I think L/L might move up. Even if W/P stay, Skate Canada could have one of W/P and G/P at SCI, along with S/F and L/L. But we'll see.
 
Don't know for Lajoie & Lagha.

I guess it's a decision for L&L's team, and I don't really think it matters too much what they decide. There's no longer an obvious opening available at 4CCs, which would be a good incentive to move up. There is likely an opening at Skate Canada. If L&L move up right now, they might have a few opportunities while F-B&S are sitting out. But if they stay junior, they might be able to set themselves up better heading into seniors. Generally, I think if you have a shot to enter seniors with a Junior World title, you should go for it. But, overall, I think it comes down to where they will get the most opportunities and experience. That could be either in juniors or in seniors when looking at the current landscape in Canada. It's about what L&L do with it.
 
With the new junior FD requirements, L/L (and all other ice dance teams) will have almost an impossible time getting a non-home GP event their first season even if they win junior worlds.
 
wickedwitch said:
With the new junior FD requirements, L/L (and all other ice dance teams) will have almost an impossible time getting a non-home GP event their first season even if they win junior worlds.
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On the other hand, there's always the possibility that the post Olympic year slew of retirements and splits will free up some extra spots on the GP, an opportunity that would close if they waited another year to try grab the junior world title.

I'm sure they're taking all considerations into account, and likely have a clearer picture of what things might look like next season than we do.
 
wickedwitch said:
With the new junior FD requirements, L/L (and all other ice dance teams) will have almost an impossible time getting a non-home GP event their first season even if they win junior worlds.
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Basically an impossible time getting a guaranteed non-host spot. If their federation is willing to trade spots on their behalf, though, they could miraculously wind up with one like Abachkina & Thauron did this season.

L&L are ranked 37th on the SB list.

There's a decent chance that 7 or 8 teams above them don't come out for the GP next season. So, for the sake of argument, we'll say 29th.

Then we take into consideration that Skoptcova & Aleshin, Evdokimova & Bazin, and Carreira & Ponomarenko are all fighting for spots with a lot of other teams from their own countries. (In other words, they may be easy for host countries to skip if they have already invited a couple Russian or U.S. teams).

So maybe that pulls L&L up closer to 26th or 27th.

Then, theoretically, you have an unexpected post-Olympic split or injury.

Now, you're in the ballpark.

We'll see what happens. USA and Russia need a LOT of dance spots. If SC deigns to do a little less stacking of the deck in their lower teams' favor at Skate Canada and wishes to invite three teams from either of those federations, I don't think either SA or Rostelecom would worry at all about inviting a team like Lajoie & Lagha. Nor would France or Japan find them nearly the threat that they might a Junior World Champion team.

On the other side of the argument, though, would that really benefit Skate Canada? They don't have another medal threat in the current junior ranks. If Lajoie & Lagha don't go to Junior Worlds, then Canada could lose their multiple JGP spots. SC has a couple junior teams with potential, but no other sure bets.

chameleonster said:
On the other hand, there's always the possibility that the post Olympic year slew of retirements and splits will free up some extra spots on the GP, an opportunity that would close if they waited another year to try grab the junior world title.
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Another strong season on the JGP, though, could move L&L up on the World Standing list & secure a non-host spot for the following season. Hard to know.
 
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clairecloutier said:
What changes are being made to junior FD requirements? I missed this.
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This year the Juniors were required to skate only one step sequence, but had a second choreo element added. Compared to the years before this means a lower base value in the FD, therefore it`s harder to get on the season best score list and qualifying for a Senior GP.
 
Skoptcova/Aleshin are 28th on the World Standings list, considering retirements and teams who are going to skip next season, they should have a good chance to get at least one invitation. Shpilevaya/Smrinov have it more difficult, because they had to skip nearly all season. I`m curious if the Russian Fed is going to give one of the spots to S/A or S/S. The last time the Russian Fed gave one of its host spots to the reigning World Junior Champion were Sinitsina/Zhiganshin in 2012.
Another thing the ISU should look into is giving World Standing points to Juniors for Senior Bs and Challengers. Right now the only possibility for a Junior Skater to gain points is through the JGP and Junior Worlds.
 
The video for the Georgian junior ID couple finally popped up on YT and I really like this couple. He's really good, he especially demonstrates excellent partnering skills. They also have a natural sense of where each partner is on the ice at all time. His port de bras is very soft too. Very nicely done. It was my favorite performance among all the FDs.
 
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cocotaffy said:
The video for the Georgian junior ID couple finally popped up on YT and I really like this couple. He's really good he especially demonstrates excellent partnering skills. They also have a natural sense of where each partner is on the ice at all time. His port de bras is very soft too. Very nicely done. It was my favorite performance among all the FDs.
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They're very close to each other, and very smooth. Good flow. Thank you for highlighting them in this thread, I've never watched this couple before.
 
cocotaffy said:
The video for the Georgian junior ID couple finally popped up on YT and I really like this couple. He's really good he especially demonstrates excellent partnering skills. They also have a natural sense of where each partner is on the ice at all time. His port de bras is very soft too. Very nicely done. It was my favorite performance among all the FDs.
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Georgiy was skating for Russia with Ksenia Konkina but she outgrew him few seasons ago, they were one of several really promising young teams, and I'm glad that he's doing great now. And his first coach was Alexei Gorshkov (Domnina/Shabalin's first coach), so it's understandable why he has such nice basics :)

Kazakova/Revia are now coached by Deniss Samokhin, who also works with another young team - Elizaveta Khudaberdieva/Nikita Nazarov, who finished off the podium at Russian Junior Nats but were second after the SD. Their SD is one of my fave junior dances this season and it was also choreographed by Samokhin. And I agree with you that Kazakova/Revia's FD is really great!
Oh, he also coaches Diana Devis, Tutberidze's daughter, and her partner :)
 
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cocotaffy said:
The video for the Georgian junior ID couple finally popped up on YT and I really like this couple. He's really good he especially demonstrates excellent partnering skills. They also have a natural sense of where each partner is on the ice at all time. His port de bras is very soft too. Very nicely done. It was my favorite performance among all the FDs.
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Thank you! I’ve been wanting to see this. He in particular is wonderful. I look froward to seeing this team develop. They have a lot of potential!

Hey, maybe with Moris, one of those very many Russian wonder babies and one of their lower ranked pairs can find some Georgian ancestry and we can get Georgia for the team event at the Olympics ;)
 
I really liked Khudabedieva/Nazarov on the JGP this season, didn't know he has another promising team for Georgia, I really like Kazakova/Revia's skating in the FD, looking forward to their development in the future!
 
It was just another Romeo & Juliet, and not one with any unique elements at that. But they skated solidly for a new team, and that is a lot to ask right there. The last time I saw Konkina & Reviya--which was on ice network ages ago during the 2015 JGP in Colorado Springs--there was essentially too much of a height difference between them. They didn't look like a team. These two look better matched & could have a real career for Georgia. Win, win.
 
Um . . . NBC/NBCSN showed almost the entire set of short dances.

Let's have some perspective. If we compare this dance coverage with most U.S. dance coverage from past Olympics, I think we should be thrilled. We used to be lucky to see ten teams. Four years ago, if you had NBCsports, you could see everyone, but this year we got Tanith & did not have to listen to Tara & Johnny blather on about nothing throughout the entire dance competition.

Chacking Gilles & Poirier's FD for a random interview was a miss.

But, overall, I'd say the NBC-related dance coverage at this Olympics was stellar!
 
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chameleonster said:
On the other hand, there's always the possibility that the post Olympic year slew of retirements and splits will free up some extra spots on the GP, an opportunity that would close if they waited another year to try grab the junior world title.

I'm sure they're taking all considerations into account, and likely have a clearer picture of what things might look like next season than we do.
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Hopefully everyone moving up to Seniors will be sent to Senior B competitions . That is the only way for them to start moving up. International competitions are a must.
 
One thing I was randomly thinking about. I don't think any of the ice dance teams wore bronzer for the Latin SDs this season, and if I'm right about that, then I think the ice dance field deserves a big round of applause for that.

Also, which ice dance team had the best "Despacito" this season?
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Also, which ice dance team had the best "Despacito" this season?
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I went back and watched the best performances I can recall for each team:
2017 Cup of China for Wang & Liu
2018 Olympic SD in the dance event for Min & Gamelin
2017 Tallinn Trophy as well as 2018 Europeans for Kaliszek & Spodyriev. (I do think maybe the Tallinn one with their SB score actually was the best. It seemed like they skated it closer together; but I watched the Europeans version first, assuming the camera footage was better. It is, but turns out the Tallinn footage of their SD is pretty great for a Challenger).

I'd say Min & Gamelin skating at home to a home crowd at an Olympic Games is a moment you can't replace, and the program is possibly the best constructed. But not much of it is Despacito. The piece that is was entertaining, but the final section of their program to a different piece is really the best part in my opinion. The other two programs have more of Despacito, and I would go with Kaliszek & Spodyriev.

But having said so, I'm going to risk great angst during future Latin ice dance seasons and say that I think there is plenty of potential for a stronger version by someone in the future.
 
Dobre said:
But, overall, I'd say the NBC-related dance coverage at this Olympics was stellar!
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I would agree with you but having to change channels in the middle of a competition constantly almost warrants an F

I set my DVR for one competition not knowing that they would move the remaining two groups to a different channel. That is so messed up and happened frequently
 
clairecloutier said:
I’d vote for Wang/Liu having the best Despacito.
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Out of curiosity, what is it that you like about it?

I like Wang and Liu, but I confess I don't really like this program. The first part feels empty and the second half is to the same music McNamara & Carpenter used to win 2015 Junior World silver so I have a hard time appreciating W&L's performance because it doesn't match the image in my head. Maybe if you tell me what you like about it, I will enjoy it more.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
One thing I was randomly thinking about. I don't think any of the ice dance teams wore bronzer for the Latin SDs this season, and if I'm right about that, then I think the ice dance field deserves a big round of applause for that.

Also, which ice dance team had the best "Despacito" this season?
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Natalia Kaliszek / Maksym Spodyriev, they used the original version, including ¨pasito a pasito, suave suavecito..¨ :lol: I liked their not touching step steq.
 
I like the version of the song Wang/Liu used but I can't remember anything about the program, they themselves said in a post SD interview at the Olympics that they've had difficulties with the program and struggled all season despite getting as much feedback if they could. I could kind of see that.

I'd give a vote to Kaliszek/Spodyriev too but tbh I didn't like any of the Despacitos. At Skate Canada, during the practices there were school classes that came to watch and they actually went wild when they heard Despacito, what's not fun to me may be fun for others haha
 
I think the most popular program skating Despacito were Yura and Alexader, this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5O0CH50Cn8 from 4cc have almost 1,000,000 of views, and in Latinoamerica, our broadcaster uploaded the top 3 SD (Olympics) and some others teams, and Yura and Alexander got immediately almost 2,000,000 of views, a lot more than the other teams, unfortunately they removed all the SD´s a few weeks ago :rolleyes:. I guess Yura´s look helped too. I don´t understand why she did not get a deduction for that dress, I am not talking about the malfunction but in general, it seems exposed more than 50% of torso.
 
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