The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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I think that in the next season P/C will do something completely different and risky because they have absolutely nothing to lose.
 
I can see them getting rid of the SBS NoTouchStep for the tango and rather do the full pattern and then have them do a full partial step sequence. I think I loved the 2015-2016 Ravensburger SD because of that. Tangos with constant contact would really fit the theme and rhythm.
 
Anyasnake said:
EDIT : Okay, I'm sorry for being the biggest figure skating geek, but I compared times.
Rumba Pattern = 18 seconds
Tango = 55 seconds
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Yes, when the Rhumba was the pattern in 2012, they did 2 sections. I preferred that. V/M did each section to different music, which I thought was cool. Although, I am not sure I could have survived 2 sets of Choctaws this season, lol.
 
Twilight1 said:
The Finnstep, Golden Waltz, Argentine Tango, and Midnight Blues are probably my favourite compulsories.

I also enjoy the Silver Samba and Tango Romantica....


and love me some Yankee Polka when perked to the max by perky dancers with costumes that scream polka...

though please never this....

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I seem to recall enjoying most of the Yankee Polkas in 2013. I thought I would not, but I did!
 
My favourites are Argentine Tango, Tango Romantica, Rumba, Paso Doble, Viennese Waltz. I also like the Silver Samba and the faces some of the skaters manage to pull in this one :D
kittysk8ts said:
Yes, when the Rhumba was the pattern in 2012, they did 2 sections. I preferred that. V/M did each section to different music, which I thought was cool. Although, I am not sure I could have survived 2 sets of Choctaws this season, lol.
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I liked the 2 sets of patterns too. Wish we had that.

You know, there's a chance Canada Worlds gets Polka twice in a row. :eek: I was feeling a bit sorry for Canadian posters attending worlds having that again, but I was told that it was great !
 
aka_gerbil said:
I’d rather they didn’t drop the non-touch step sequence. That element always says a lot about the technical abilities of a team.
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It's one of my favourite elements, and is just outstanding when well executed, but seems out of place for some type of dances, Tango included. Unless you have a great choreographer that can pull out something original. I wouldn't mind seeing a Gilles/Poirier "out of the box" No-Touch tango for sure.
 
Anyasnake said:
My favourites are Argentine Tango, Tango Romantica, Rumba, Paso Doble, Viennese Waltz. I also like the Silver Samba and the faces some of the skaters manage to pull in this one :D

I liked the 2 sets of patterns too. Wish we had that.

You know, there's a chance Canada Worlds gets Polka twice in a row. :eek: I was feeling a bit sorry for Canadian posters attending worlds having that again, but I was told that it was great !
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LOl LOL , yes, Montreal 2020! And I will be there! Hahaha. In 2013, I was worried that it would be ALL polka music. But it wasn't. V/M used And the Waltz Goes On, D/W used Gisèle, W/P used the Sound of Music etc etc. I liked many of them :)
 
I'm fine with not having CD anymore, but I don't love the key point system for the patterns. I'd rather they judged all the steps, although I get why they do it this way.

And I love the non-touch sequence, but now that you guys have mentioned it, it doesn't make a ton of sense for a tango.
 
I always loved the tangos as CDs, so I'm curious to see how it plays out in the SD. Though I'm afraid that my high expecations will lead to disappointment tbh. Like with the waltz...I liked it as CD, the season with them was kinda meh, I thought, though.

And here's DomShabs' OD from 2007. I thought it was fabulous and they were fabulous when they were on. Such a shame about his injury.

Euros 2007
 
kittysk8ts said:
True, and their 2010 no-touch flamenco (Farrucas) was maybe the best thing I've ever seen. But it somehow seems different with the SD when there is a pattern as well, compared to the OD. Maybe I am overthinking it.
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It is a bit different to my eyes too, it was more cohesive as an OD. I wouldn't want to see a pattern into D/W's Bollywood :scream:
 
Anyasnake said:
Their 2014-2015 SD was really good.
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I didn't like it. The judges didn't love it either, though part of that was that P&C hadn't broken through yet.

Anyasnake said:
Their Waltz SD the next year was really great (and a bit unconventionnal)
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They only competed it twice in international competition. Once to place second at Europeans. Once to win at Worlds. I agree with the statement above that you couldn't blame them for needing to make adjustments after Europeans. It was quite remarkable how quickly they did adjust prior to Worlds.


Twilight1 said:
Personally I miss the CD's. You could very clearly compare teams edge for edge and see the actual quality of ice DANCERS.
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Really? Did you clearly compare the teams edge for edge and get the same results for the pattern as the panel did? I am truly asking because Tanith & Ben don't seem to have, and they almost never critique a level call. Sometimes they call a mistake that isn't called by the panel--because they often call in live time & don't know it won't be called. But this time, they called elements as clean that were dinged and edges that were missed which weren't dinged. Theoretically, CDs clearly compare teams.

But CDs never came anywhere close to the results we have for pattern comparisons today. You just would never have seen teams from the lower tier outscore teams at the top. Perhaps because PCS often made the difference. But also because they were scored largely on reputation. And many teams were unable to move up because of those compulsory scores. In theory, I like compulsories. In practice, compulsory scores had a lot of issues. And today, they simply aren't worth enough points. Do we really need a separate PCS score to reward some teams for skating exactly the same steps as everyone else?

RoseRed said:
And I love the non-touch sequence, but now that you guys have mentioned it, it doesn't make a ton of sense for a tango.
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Yes, I love the SBS non-touch footwork. It is great for pushing the teams to display their individual skills, and it almost always kicks up the energy in the program and really shows off the teams that can push their speed & build the climax of the SD.

But I wouldn't mind it being taken out of the tango, in which close face-to-face skating is really the hallmark of the dance.
 
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Dobre- I have watched ice dance since 1990. As far as I am concerned no one can touch Klimova & Ponomarenko and Usova & Zhulin for CD quality.

So yes I do compare and why I wish full CD's were back. :rolleyes:
 
morqet said:
But by not skating to music that was in 3/4, they were missing a basic requirement. Skaters that have done that before, have been given 0 for the pattern dance element. It is supposed to be treated the same as a skater doing only a solo double in the SP - it's an invalid element. The whole point is that you demonstrate your ability to skate those specific steps to a specific rhythm.
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It is 3/4 time. It's a custom edit with a synth 3/4 flute rhythm added. Just because a piece is originally written as 6/8 doesn't mean it can't be customized to fit the 3/4 requirement.
 
Twilight1 said:
Dobre- I have watched ice dance since 1990. As far as I am concerned no one can touch Klimova & Ponomarenko and Usova & Zhulin for CD quality.
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You didn't answer my question, though. Did you clearly compare and agree with the results for the pattern at the Olympics? That's what I'm asking. It just seems to me that the pattern is often one of the least clearly scored elements in a short dance. Some callers this season called lots of timing errors. Some called none. Some teams missed the choctaw a lot. Some teams scored level 4 more consistently than others. But a lot of the keypoint calls are completely unrelated every time out.

And if it is all clear to you, then please answer my question about Hurtado & Khaliavin's rhumba. Did they really deserve a level 1 at Spanish Nationals and a level 4 at the Olympics? Or isn't it possible that maybe both times, their rhumba could have been in between?

I have dance coverage dating back to the '88 Olympics (plus quite a bit of T&D), but I'll be the first to say it's not always clear to me. Even in an arena. And I'll be the first to say that there are many people who do a better job of analyzing the patterns than I do. (Kudos to them. I wouldn't enjoy watching dance & paying attention only to the edges. I feel for the people on the tech panel who have to do it. So much of the magic of the performance is lost that way).
 
It is too long and too ardous a task to watch every team for every competition to see how well they did the pattern and I am not a judge (nor wish to be) so I will let you make that call. (I also don't watch every single team at every competition and compare how they did from one to the other except my favourites)

But what I ask myself?

How well did the general pattern on the ice go? Leg line match is also pretty easy to spot in a close killian position. Any accordion action- pulling?

Step 8 should be a distinctly wide step going into the left forward outside step 9.

Instant replay sometimes shows a good closeup going into the choctaw turns for step 10-14 which imho is where errors are made with most teams. Did they clunk down on the right back outside edge before going into the left forward inside edge? Was their even a distinguishable edge? How were the edges matching/ free leg? I am also terrible when it comes to timing so don't ask me about proper placements and bad judgement calls through the season...

I am not an expert by any stretch, and probably mucked the steps as I recall them.

I remember watching the ISU instruction videos over and over to try to figure this out once you could see them on youtube years ago. One fascinating thing, Usova and Zhulin were used for a lot of the compulsory instruction videos.
 
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Katha said:
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And here's DomShabs' OD from 2007. I thought it was fabulous and they were fabulous when they were on. Such a shame about his injury.

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Yes such a shame about his knee problems. She was so great such sharp movements for this dance and her lovely carriage and pointed toes:glamor: Didn't like the jacket on him though looked too heavy.
 
Twilight1 said:
It is too long and too ardous a task to watch every team for every competition to see how well they did the pattern and I am not a judge (nor wish to be) so I will let you make that call. (I also don't watch every single team at every competition and compare how they did from one to the other except my favourites)

But what I ask myself?

How well did the general pattern on the ice go? Leg line match is also pretty easy to spot in a close killian position. Any accordion action- pulling?

I remember watching the ISU instruction videos over and over to try to figure this out once you could see them on youtube years ago. One fascinating thing, Usova and Zhulin were used for a lot of the compulsory instruction videos.
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As were VM for the junior CDs.
 
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