Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir, #46 : Until the End of Time

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People need to relax. The scores are very tight. I don’t even know that the British broadcasters are even that knowledgeable about ice dance.. but I do enjoy their commentary.
 
Judy said:
I don’t even know that the British broadcasters are even that knowledgeable about ice dance.. but I do enjoy their commentary.
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Mark Hanratty is a former competitive ice dancer, so he is very knowledgeable. Chris and Nicky tend to gush over almost everything, so I would take their comments with a few grains of salt. I’m not sure who the female commentator who did ice dance commentary for British Eurosport’s coverage of Skate Canada was, so I can’t speak to her level of expertise.
 
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. I’m not sure who the female commentator who did ice dance commentary for British Eurosport’s coverage of Skate Canada was, so I can’t speak to her level of expertise.
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I think it was Catherine Whittaker. It was Chris Howarth commentating at SC.He gushes on V/M and was giving them the gold already without even seeing P/C skate.Simon just seems to agree with whoever he's commenting with at the time:rolleyes:
Wonder what's happened to Nicky Miss him?
 
I guess I have blinders on because for me Tessa and Scott are in a league of their own. That's also the reason why I post here and not in the P/C thread. If the ranking was up to me, I'd put V/M on top with the Shibs in second place and H/D in third and (because it's my ranking and because I'm German ;) ), Kavita and Joti would place in the top 10 :D.

Yes, I'm biased but I doubt that anyone posting in this forum isn't biased towards their favourite(s). I don't know what's so bad about that and why P/C fans have to come here and lecture V/M fans about the greatness of their team?
As for the Olympic Games, I just hope that the best team will win and because I'm sure that V/M is the best team, I trust that they will get their gold medal. If not, I'll deal with my feelings then.

Oh, did you guys see the cute video of Scott taking over Liam's dance lesson? http://mysticseasons.tumblr.com/post/167081004109/stephythetinyd-one-dance-boy-steels-my-job
 
I think we can all agree that we want to vent or to gush our favourites in our own thread without repercussions. I bet my current comment will immediately be construed as antagonistic to some. I just want to say what's happening is frustrating and disheartening. Especially with carpis' earlier comment, as it only solidifies what V/M had gone through in their previous quad and now, may seem to (to me) look like a repeat due to the set narrative. I'm a fan for great skating skills and artistry on ice. So yeah, like Golden1 and others here, I really do think V/M have both in spades. Call it blinders or whatever makes you happy, but great skating versus good skating is not the same. Ok fine it's an open secret that they (skaters, coaches, etc) are aware of politicking happening. But...it still doesn't make it OK.
 
Politiking has always happened. You think politiking didn't influence Vancouver? Of COURSE it did, but that politiking favoured V&M and thus was okay right?

P&C are worthy gold medalists and if people want to go all :wall::drama::argue: have at er.

Some of us see the quality and simply want to enjoy V&M and wish them JOY in their last season.

Stop watching, continue watching, whatever you want to do... it doesn't change that life goes on. In the grand scheme of life, whether V&M win gold or not... they solidified their one of the best status LONG ago. ;)
 
Twilight1 said:
Politiking has always happened. You think politiking didn't influence Vancouver? Of COURSE it did, but that politiking favoured V&M and thus was okay right?
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Ok. Once again with the backhanded compliment.

In other words, all Olympians OG wins are due to politics. And hence same goes to D/W too. Got it.

How exactly is Vancouver politicking then? For all I saw I thought it was the Russians to win gold. They certainly tried that. But looking at the skating level then between Russians, V/M (even since they debut in Senior Circuit in 2007) & others, the Canadians proved their skating skills exceptionally well, especially at Olympics. You can see it in the CD, OD & FD. I'm not saying others didn't too. (But they still showed how it could be done. And done exceptionally well). This was only reason why Scott had stated back then that the new score system worked well and for others to come. Not after 2012.The Russians did dominate the ice discipline for a long time Prior to change, mind you.

So by your definition, which couples are best ones to overcome v/m (if not due to politicking) skating levels during that time prior to and at Vancouver Olympics? Really I'm curious, not sarcastic.
 
@Goody2shoes
Vancouver COULD have influenced the results IF V/M made tiny errors. But we will never ever know that. V/M were spot on on elements, but more than that, they created a moment in the OD and the FD. So no politicking needed if there was any involved anyway.
I agree with you that Russian were pushed to win gold (at least a bit). Okay they were sharp in the compulsory. But that OD... I mean I was even angry that Belbin/Agosto weren't 3rd after at least the OD.
And the only couple potentially able to win against V/M at Vancouver was D/W (who had defeated V/M in the past and in the GPF right before Olympics). But no, V/M really did the job at the games.
Talking about politicking makes me think that we might not see a Russian team on the Olympic podium for the 1st time in years (EDIT : 1st time ever actually). But I'll leave that to the Dance thread...
 
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@Goody2shoes
Vancouver COULD have influenced the results IF V/M made tiny errors. But we will never ever know that. V/M were spot on on elements, but more than that, they created a moment in the OD and the FD. So no politicking needed if there was any involved anyway.
I agree with you that Russian were pushed to win gold (at least a bit). Okay they were sharp in the compulsory. But that OD... I mean I was even angry that Belbin/Agosto weren't 3rd after at least the OD.
And the only couple potentially able to win against V/M at Vancouver was D/W (who had defeated V/M in the past and in the GPF right before Olympics). But no, V/M really did the job at the games.
Talking about politicking makes me think that we might not see a Russian team on the Olympic podium for the 1st time in years. But I'll leave that to the Dance thread...
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I agree with your assessment and for B/A at Vancouver Olympics.
Yeah no use for me to pull hairs over things I can't control. But I stand by my opinion that just because politicking happens and accepted, it still doesn't make it right. Certainly when we teach our kids about fair play and such

Btw, just wish some posters don't put words in my mouth about me as though I wish ill will towards them/their skaters favorite.
 
Goody2shoes- trying to dismiss P&C saying they aren't in league with V&M is sheer and utter and blatant personal bias. PERIOD.

I actually prefer V&M and saying I am backhanding complimenting is making a lot of assumptions about me. I have followed the sport since 1988. ;)

Rewatch their FD in 2010. The first minute is no content posing, they created a moment of course they did. They were mesmerising but it does not negate that D&W actually skated full out in their FD and were TECHNICALLY better.

So put the condescending malarky away dear, and recognize that sometimes... what your opinion is does not negate actual fact.
 
In this sport everything has always been biased. But in Vancouver V/M deserved the gold and that is the only olimpics I can remember when none of their competitiors was bitterly disappointed or felt robbed, may be the other one is when Torvile and Dean won. Everybody agreed that they won fairly. If you go back Anissina/Peizera felt robbed, the Duscheneys felt robbed and many others. For me V/M are generally superior than the French and that has nothing to do with levels, where French may have improved a lot and got close. But they can not compare the longevity of V/M's career, the obstacles they have overcome, the heavy injuries, the strong oponents they always fought with, their ability to perform different styles, their ability to dance and to act and perform wide variety of roles on the ice, what to speak about the connection between the partners and their pure love of what they do which already returned them twice on competitive ice. No matter what happens they will be respected and loved for all that and young skaters will go on dreaming to be like them.
 
DW were technically better in the FD in Vancouver? This is the first time I'm hearing this anywhere. People can do what they want, but I don't understand why some are here trying to force people in how they should feel re: the two teams (PC and VM).

Anyway let's all take a breather. I'm looking forward to NHK and seeing the improvements for the programs. I know it's only been two weeks, but the marked improvement in the FD at SCI has me excited to see them build on that.
 
Shayii said:
Anyway let's all take a breather. I'm looking forward to NHK and seeing the improvements for the programs. I know it's only been two weeks, but the marked improvement in the FD at SCI has me excited to see them build on that.
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Thank you.
A lot can happen in 2 weeks in terms of training, especially since they put the programs in the GP already, and they were in Canada, so no massive exhaustion/jetlag from travelling to the other side of the world. I wonder if some part of the steps will be changed in the FD, and... new costumes perhaps ? In 2013, they changed from one GP to the other ! Maybe they'll keep the MR one (that dress :cheer2:) but experiment new ones for the SD.
Have you noticed that the competition for dance starts Saturday and not Friday for NHK ? The FD will be on sunday, just a feeew hours before the gala, IIRC.
 
VM and DW both lost levels in the Diagonal and Circular step sequences in Vancouver. Level 4 for everything else, so they had the exact same base value. Even their GOE's aren't all that far apart. In the TES, VM were only 0.3 ahead.

Where VM ran circles around DW was the PCS, specifically the skating skills, transitions and Interpretation/timing portions. DW also got a deduction for an extended lift.

I keep hearing a lot about teams being technically better, but what does that mean exactly? The TES isn't about who does the harder elements, it's about who hits the checkbox beside the requirements for those elements.

As for the rest of the teams, DS were first after the CD. I feel like a lot of people forget that. But they screwed themselves over with that OD. I could be remembering this wrong, but I think BA mucked up their twizzles in either the OD or the FD (Still should have been ahead of DS). DelShoes only participated in the Olys that year as Isabelle had given birth only a few months prior.
 
DS were coming off an injury too weren’t they? It was always between DW and VM in Vancouver.

I don’t obsess over other people’s opinions. I am also not going to get into a fixed judging discussion or belief. It is going to be an exciting season!
 
@Twilight1, I think it is actually you that is continuously being condescending to other posters, not the other way around. You have repeatedly tried to state your opinions as facts and attempted to dictate how other posters choose to think about subjective things.

For what it’s worth, I in no way whatsoever believe that D&W were “technically better” in the Vancouver 2010 FD, which again, you state as if this were a fact that ignorant posters are ignoring. Having closely followed the sport for almost three decades, I could break down point by point why I feel that was a completely inaccurate opinion, but do not feel the need to do so since the discussion here has not been about D/W vs. V/M for quite some time.

As for P/C, I am probably a much bigger fan of theirs than most regular posters on this thread, but I also don’t agree with you saying that anyone who doesn’t see them as equal in skill to V/M has “blinders” on and are speaking from bias. IMO, P/C are very skilled, but they are not yet equal to V/M overall. V/M have more equal partnering, greater depth of edge, skate deeper into the ice, have more difficult lifts, harder/more complex content in both their SD and FD this season, and I could keep going with this list. P/C are quite young and may truly match V/M at some point in their career, and yes, they are worthy and close competition even now, but they are not yet equals.
 
I wish we could stop talking about the Olympic future and stick to the near future. All of these competitors are trying to put their best selves out there for the Olympic year and there are some wonderful dances out there. I am cuckoo over V/M's technical which does not look technical at all. I love the free as well and when I heard about their musical selection I thought "oh no" but they have made it fresh and fun and so detailed. We are spoiled.
 
Twilight1 said:
Goody2shoes- trying to dismiss P&C saying they aren't in league with V&M is sheer and utter and blatant personal bias. PERIOD.

I actually prefer V&M and saying I am backhanding complimenting is making a lot of assumptions about me. I have followed the sport since 1988. ;)

Rewatch their FD in 2010. The first minute is no content posing, they created a moment of course they did. They were mesmerising but it does not negate that D&W actually skated full out in their FD and were TECHNICALLY better.

So put the condescending malarky away dear, and recognize that sometimes... what your opinion is does not negate actual fact.
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:barrelOh please! V&M's skate to Mahler was on a completely different level to D&W, who "skated full out" with frenetic, open movements, often sloppy technique and on their flats with subpar edges. Scurry back to the D&W page & on the way please educate yourself about ice dance!;)
 
dramagrrl said:
@Twilight1
As for P/C, I am probably a much bigger fan of theirs than most regular posters on this thread, but I also don’t agree with you saying that anyone who doesn’t see them as equal in skill to V/M has “blinders” on and are speaking from bias. IMO, P/C are very skilled, but they are not yet equal to V/M overall. V/M have more equal partnering, greater depth of edge, skate deeper into the ice, have more difficult lifts, harder/more complex content in both their SD and FD this season, and I could keep going with this list. P/C are quite young and may truly match V/M at some point in their career, and yes, they are worthy and close competition even now, but they are not yet equals.
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This. Thank you, dramagrrl. Couldn't have written/stated any better.

Onward with NHK, I really hope it will be equally good as watching the ice dance programs from this season's SCI. At this point, their costume changes for SD & FD are on point. Maybe something new at Olympics? But boy, was I wrong about my initial misgivings of MR after ACI comp. It had potential but it didn't move me. However, they totally sold me the program at SCI. Watched MR between two comps back-to-back this weekend. There's evident smoothness of transitions and overall, to me it's the timing of the movements that's so crucial in this chosen music piece. So minute. They were at the right note with the right movement at SCI, start to finish. I hope they'll do a repeat but even way better, and better sync twizzles. That's all I ask and hope for :)
 
Why is David Molina being the TC at NHK interesting as said by a poster in the Dance thread?
 
MarieM said:
I think what's more interesting is how many costume change Tessa is going to grant me this season. Already 2, and I hope I'll have three more before the olys ^^ I love how she is so fashion addicted :)
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I actually hope for a costume change in the SD, and for Scott to change the FD one. For the SD she can keep the gold on the side and on the neck though because I just loooove it.
 
Anyasnake said:
I actually hope for a costume change in the SD, and for Scott to change the FD one. For the SD she can keep the gold on the side and on the neck though because I just loooove it.
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I didn't like their SD costumes at first, but I'd have to say I got used to it and when Scott wore darker colours at Skate Canada, it worked for me. Still, I'd prefer him wearing something simpler, less sparkly, but I wouldn't mind them wearing these costumes this season. Their FD costumes, however, I love. (Again from Skate Canada :D). Especially Tessa's dress. It fits the dance more and she looks magnificent. Anyway, I'm curious whether they'll go for a change at NHK again or not. We'll see. :)
 
I am going to Canadian Nationals with a friend who lives in Vancouver. She is not a figure skating fan at all but is a beautiful seamstress so I, of course, stressed how much fun she would have looking at the costumes. From the few comments she made, I can tell she has absolutely no idea what awaits her. Should be fun!
 
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