Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir, #46 : Until the End of Time

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I hope they don't change anything. I love both sets of costumes, I think they fit the programs wonderfully.
Since it's Japan, and it's still very much time for costume experimet, I think we might see at least one change. I loved seeing them change during the 2013-2014 season. That emerald dress from TEB was goals. The best one she may have wore EVER. And the white shirt fitted Scott perfectly.
 
They main question is could they improved there score? Not a lot room for grow in PCS and with Molina in tech pannel I doubt they will get max levels in SD. Hope he will not be at GPF and OG?
 
I don't post here often, but I wanted to log in to say this.

V/M SD and FD are both captivating and winning programs. Their programs will only get better from here on out. The competition has to BRING IT to have a chance at the title when V/M enter the competition. It takes a special skater to lay it all down on Olympic ice, and I believe V/M are those skaters. One cannot deny that they are excellent skaters and performers. They will go down in history as one of the best to ever do it. Enjoy the ride along the way, and see you all in Pyeongchang.
 
They main question is could they improved there score? Not a lot room for grow in PCS and with Molina in tech pannel I doubt they will get max levels in SD. Hope he will not be at GPF and OG?
They survived Shawn Rettstatt on the technical panel last year at Skate Canada so I'm sure they will be fine even if a new world record isn't set this time. Much as I like C/L and H/D free dances, I don't think we have to worry about them beating V/M at NHK.

I absolutely love both of Tessa and Scott's programs and don't want them to change too much. Maybe Scott's outfit in the free dance but definitely not either of Tessa's outfits. The dances themselves are amazing already and their PCS is slightly higher than P/C so far. Should make for an exciting showdown in months to come.
 
Pretty sure some of you may have seen this. MR comparison at ACI and SCi video (split screen) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoCzIERnqnA

Hope it works for you all...

With the changes in the second half of the program (CWM) and overall the minute timing of movements within the program presented at SCI made such a difference. Something about the simplicity of their costuming and colour choice also made an impact, I feel.

Best of luck to all the skaters this weekend!
 
Am I the only one nervous about Moulin Rouge against Moonlight Sonata? I feel like it's almost Natalia and Artur vs G&G. The Moulin does not read the way that Moonlight does and frankly, though it's theatrical and very good, Moonlight is choreography that lives up to the music.

Just wondering.
 
Am I the only one nervous about Moulin Rouge against Moonlight Sonata? I feel like it's almost Natalia and Artur vs G&G. The Moulin does not read the way that Moonlight does and frankly, though it's theatrical and very good, Moonlight is choreography that lives up to the music.

Just wondering.

Personally, I’m not worried. They’re two very different programs with different intentionality. P/C’s is about optimizing movement to the music. When they skate that program to its potential, it creates an otherworldly mood that encompasses the entire arena.

V/M’s FD tells a story that creates an immediate connection to the audience. Their choreography lives up to their music just as effectively, if not more so, because it’s designed to express the highs and lulls of the music while also telling a story that encompasses V/M’s career and relationship. The characters seem authentic V/M own journey; it doesn’t feel like they’re acting at all. And their movement throughout that FD is superb. I don’t think their program loses anything to P/C’s in terms of theme or choreography. It comes down to personal taste which one someone as a fan likes better.

The OGM is probably going to come down to who skates cleaner and gets all their levels. I actually think V/M’s dance is a little more audience-friendly, which could give them a little PCS boost if both teams hit all their levels. Also, the fact that they’re skating to something they truly love also makes a huge difference, even if the theme isn’t to everyone’s personal taste. That passion for the program comes across to the audience, which the judges are also a part of.
 
Am I the only one nervous about Moulin Rouge against Moonlight Sonata? I feel like it's almost Natalia and Artur vs G&G. The Moulin does not read the way that Moonlight does and frankly, though it's theatrical and very good, Moonlight is choreography that lives up to the music.

Just wondering.

I disagree and I'm really not nervous (whereas I was completely nervous and resigned leading up to Sochi). Some will prefer MS while some will prefer MR, but I'm already SO OVER the narrative that P/C have somehow captured high art while V/M are just the technical team. V/M have always been the whole package - technical, artistic, and versatile, and we really should stop letting P/C ubers dictate that narrative even here because it's not real (I know you didn't mention the narrative explicitly but it's the feeling I got from your post). Btw, I remember when people used to compare V/M to G/G due to their connection and artistry and if anything, they've grown in those areas.
 
At the moment I'm more worried about the Technical Panel at Olympics. Is that true that the panel at COC will be the one at Olympics? Or is it stills up in the air until decided later? And I know the judges are drawn. Among them who will be chosen for the SP? Is it decided yet?
 
Am I the only one nervous about Moulin Rouge against Moonlight Sonata? I feel like it's almost Natalia and Artur vs G&G. The Moulin does not read the way that Moonlight does and frankly, though it's theatrical and very good, Moonlight is choreography that lives up to the music.

Just wondering.
I disagree with the way the programs "read". P&C's FD is, to me, such that it loses impact greatly if they don't skate it very, very well. If we are making comparisons to G&G's Moonight Sonata, I felt that was a much more complete and mature piece of choreography - P&C's version has sections where, unless they (and I) are totally invested, I find myself checking out due to lack of impact and the program starts feeling very long. I think some of their previous FDs (my personal favourite being "To Build a Home" in 2016 - I think that program was magical and could watch it on repeat without getting bored) worked better as fluid pieces of choreography with sustained emotional impact.

I wasn't totally sold on MR for V&M (I think the movie is very overdone, and I genuinely hate parts of the soundtrack, including most of Tango de Roxanne), but despite that, by the end of their skate at SCI, I was completely won over. It will likely never be my favourite VM program (and yes, there are many pieces of music or directions they could've taken this season that would've been more to my personal taste), but they skate it with so much conviction that combined with what I feel is their greater skating skill and sense of maturity over P&C, it has a much stronger overall impact. If they skate all out and cleanly, I think they will win at least 8 times out of 10.
 
At the moment I'm more worried about the Technical Panel at Olympics. Is that true that the panel at COC will be the one at Olympics? Or is it stills up in the air until decided later? And I know the judges are drawn. Among them who will be chosen for the SP? Is it decided yet?
People talking about the same pannel, like in Obersdorf.
 
I think that MR will really stand out against other programs in the final group at the Olympics as most of the other FDs from the medal contenders are soft, lyrical and introspective.

This should help V/M and generate audience interest and support for MR.

The more I watch MR the more I think Tessa is a genius for choosing this music and program. :respec:
 
At the moment I'm more worried about the Technical Panel at Olympics. Is that true that the panel at COC will be the one at Olympics? Or is it stills up in the air until decided later? And I know the judges are drawn. Among them who will be chosen for the SP? Is it decided yet?
It's rumoured that the tech panel at China for the ladies will be the same for the men at the Games. Nothing has been mentioned re: other disciplines.
 
Really, it's out of our hands. They'll do what they want to do. I'll just wait how this weekend's comp, with the chosen judging panel, will turn out.
 
Well. I am very grateful that Scott and Tessa are mature, experienced and know exactly what they are capable of, that they can CONFIDENTLY EXECUTE the unbelievable difficulty and drama within their programs. V&M actually will DO MORE than just glide around smoothly, powerfully to music. Scott and Tessa will do that, as well as dance in hold, emote, bring strong connection/chemistry, execute intricate, difficult steps, turns, seamless spectacular lifts all while actually telling us a story too - one that will likely keep us all awake too (WINK, WINK)! V&M actually KNOW they can bring it under pressure and when it counts, too - everyone else are newbies trying to podium or prove themselves podium contender's at the Olympic games. Scott and Tessa have already skated well individually to earn Gold, Silver thus 4 performances and another 2X to earn silver in Sochi for the team event, that's a total of 6 performances over the rings at center ice that won them medals, they also have a lot of world medals too -- many good performances under pressure, and IMO they are now skating better than they ever did, so no matter what politics, judging blocks, technical panels wind up doing to the scoring, I believe that Scott and Tessa, will bring their absolute best to the 2018 games - that is the only thing they can control and we will all be replaying and gushing about their 2018 season performances for decades to come. They will go down in history as one of the best, if not the best dance team ever, they are now, and forever true legends in ice dance, that everyone else following them must prove themselves worthy to become...Because of their continued excellence and their return, other teams have had to work much harder and bring out their very best efforts just to try to keep up and aren't we dance fans lucky because instead of 2 or 3 epic teams deemed worthy of the podium this time round there will likely be 12 or more swoon worthy teams to look forward too, and at least 8 of those other teams are capable of joining them on the Olympic podium, despite PCS CANDY handouts, it will be who gets the levels, don't doubt that - everyone including Scott and Tessa are going to have to work for it, hold their nerves and bring their best to the games. It's going to be epic folks, and I predict there will be some very big upsets and unpredictable things happening on the lead up to the games - despite what many fans believe no one is a podium lock - favored probably, but everyone is going to have to bring it if they want to beat the wining record of the highly decorated and internationally celebrated team of Virtue/Moir...At this point in the season the big 3 couples of team Gadbois are looking very, very strong, along with W&P, the Shibs, we will have to wait to see how C&L GP debut goes and how the 2nd events go for the rest of the best as well as any national type upsets to current apple carts ... Up until the games is just mainly impressions concerning potentials and fed clout to move things forward, Olympics OTH are entirely different animal, so anything can happen and usually does - ice is slippery, till a reset happens at worlds and the next cycle begins...
 
:barrelOh please! V&M's skate to Mahler was on a completely different level to D&W, who "skated full out" with frenetic, open movements, often sloppy technique and on their flats with subpar edges. Scurry back to the D&W page & on the way please educate yourself about ice dance!;)

I have never fanshipped D&W but hilarious assumption about me roflmao!!

I have been watching ice dance since 1988... but thanks for the ignorant tip. ;)
 
Guys, I'm so zen about this season. I finally got around to watching CoC, and P/C skated wonderfully, however, it only confirmed (IMO) that V/M have the better programs overall; they just exude a maturity across the ice that cannot be matched.

Maybe it's because I had to sit through 2010-2014, but simply being able to see V/M happy and healthy, skating two incredible programs that not only highlight their strengths but continue to push the boundaries of this sport, is enough - in fact, it's more than enough, it's a privilege.

I can't wait to see what they can do at NHK, because there's only a handful of times left that we will get to see these programs under the bright lights of competitive sport. Wishing them the best of luck this weekend!
 
There’s a news clip from NHK where VM are featured a bit: https://twitter.com/yumikikuha/status/928416054740623360 and a fan made a banner for them that looks like a movie poster it’s so cool https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOI8046V4AAObKF?format=jpg
That's so cool. I do think both V/M's programs have an upper hand this season, not only the technical difficulty and choreography, but also in the way of audience friendliness. MR is well-known for casual fans. I think people will get into the program more.
 
In the newest @skatingpj podcast she talks to David Wilson about many things, including helping choreograph the Moulin Rouge free dance.

He mentions using this video of the death scene pas de deux from Manon with Sylvie Guillem as inspiration for the Come What May section and how they were able to transfer some of the bits from here onto the ice and into the program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YSlk9l1qKg
 
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I think that MR will really stand out against other programs in the final group at the Olympics as most of the other FDs from the medal contenders are soft, lyrical and introspective.

This should help V/M and generate audience interest and support for MR.

The more I watch MR the more I think Tessa is a genius for choosing this music and program. :respec:


I have to be in the minority but I sadly can't get into their MR so far. Their qualities are still there obviously but for me the program itself is disappointing, I feel like this change from Tango de Roxanne to Come What May breaks the momentum of it - that's my biggest concern. It just doesn't add up.
 
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May be they were trying "to transfer some of the bits from Manon with Sylvie Guillem onto the ice".
But IMHO it's a big failure
 
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In the newest @skatingpj podcast she talks to David Wilson about many things, including helping choreograph the Moulin Rouge free dance.

He mentions using this video of the death scene pas de deux from Manon with Sylvie Guillem as inspiration for the Come What May section and how they were able to transfer some of the bits from here onto the ice and into the program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YSlk9l1qKg

Interesting. I feel, as is often the case with their programs, that each time it's skated we will see more and more. Not because the choreography changes so much but because they are doing so much, showing so much, that it goes by too quickly and you need more viewings to get it all.
 
Interesting. I feel, as is often the case with their programs, that each time it's skated we will see more and more. Not because the choreography changes so much but because they are doing so much, showing so much, that it goes by too quickly and you need more viewings to get it all.

It's true as well. I remember that I noticed for the first time this moment in their SD when Tessa rolls Scott's head with her hand in the beginning of their non-touch step sequence at the GPF even though it was here from the beginning (as I found upon further inspection).
 
MR has really grown on me. I love the choreography, the intensity, the complexity. Despite not really liking the music, I have started to love the whole package. And even more important, I'm so thankful that they decided not to do the typical lyrical program but something different, something challenging. They have never taken the easy road and I love them for it.

May be they were trying "to transfer some of the bits from Manon with Sylvie Guillem onto the ice".
But IMHO it's a big failure
Well, I couldn't disagree more. Watching the video I could definitely see how they were inspired by the movements and I think it's amazing how they transferred them onto the ice.

"Absolute skating" posted an interesting interview with Tessa and Scott that was done after worlds.
http://www.absoluteskating.com/index.php?cat=interviews&id=2017tessavirtuescottmoir
 
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