Sport24: Aleksandra Trusova leaving Tutberidze for Plushenko

[rfisher]

Why is there judgement? Gleikhengauz would be the first to understand why someone would want to be in his position. As long as he isn't going anywhere, the only place Rozanov could have a similar one is with another rink.

You don't need major interruptions for people to decide to change because they can find a better position and/or working conditions. People do it all the time.

Exactly. the Gauz wasn't going anywhere so if you want that spot in the coaching hierarchy, you find a rink that will let you have that. People in business do it all the time. And it is a business for the coaches and athletes who have an opportunity to do well financially rather than skate for recreation. No elite skater skates for recreation.

Mostly, Plushenko's rink has been except for their juniors. Maybe this will get interesting.

 

[starrynight]

Oh I kind of got a tone of Gleikhengauz implying disloyalty.

 

[MacMadame]

Oh I kind of got a tone of Gleikhengauz implying disloyalty.

That happens in business too. It's ridiculous because the company has no loyalty to you. But that doesn't mean they won't pull the disloyalty card with you.

 

[VGThuy]

That happens in business too. It's ridiculous because the company has no loyalty to you. But that doesn't mean they won't pull the disloyalty card with you.

YEP!

 

[starrynight]

That happens in business too. It's ridiculous because the company has no loyalty to you. But that doesn't mean they won't pull the disloyalty card with you.

lol very true. It’s sort of the same for Tutberidze’s statement. Implies disloyalty to the rink but then goes on to say that no skater will ever get preferential treatment. So basically a one way street.

So if no skater is given preferential treatment by the rink, the skater shouldn’t be expected to give preferential treatment back - especially when offered a better deal elsewhere.

But I expect this whole thing is more about skaters following Rozanov.

 

[Madhatter]

Do we think this split will eclipse the Medvedevea-Tutberidze split in DRAMA!?

Is Trusova a that-Olympic-Gold-was-supposed-to-be-mine coach favorite who lost to her teammate?

Nothing short of an axe attack will eclipse that.

 

[NAOTMAA]

She was starting to make progress in terms of interpretation and non-jump elements before they started fiddling with the programs/jumps. And I think that only happened because Eteri and team were appeasing her jump obsession instead of saying no and explaining to her what really needed to be done to help her win. I hope she continues to improve in those areas but frankly this move makes it looks like she's only thinking about the jumps. She's risking becoming a jumping bean only, which will only confirm what most people think she is anyway.

And I personally don't think her programs were bad this season at all. They tried to play to her strengths just as they did with Anna and Alena and I think they mostly succeeded in that. Truth is she stopped performing and only went through the motions when her quads started failing her. She decided it was best to start throwing everything up against the wall jump wise and pay scant attention to everything else in between so of course she kept falling farther behind Alena/Anna. That's where her team failed her because, like I said above, they let it happen.

 

[Willin]

I'm more confused why Eteri would be in the US for months and not contacting her skaters at all. Even with COVID she can return to Russia. No wonder so many of her students (and at least one fellow coach) has left her. I get a few weeks of vacation especially given the team she has around her, but months - and months with little to no contact? No wonder they left. If they want to be the best they need year round high quality coaching.

 

[bladesofgorey]

TBH staying beside her daughter at the expense of her empire is the first time I've felt some real respect for her as a person.

 

[Polaris]

She was starting to make progress in terms of interpretation and non-jump elements before they started fiddling with the programs/jumps. And I think that only happened because Eteri and team were appeasing her jump obsession instead of saying no and explaining to her what really needed to be done to help her win. I hope she continues to improve in those areas but frankly this move makes it looks like she's only thinking about the jumps. She's risking becoming a jumping bean only, which will only confirm what most people think she is anyway.

And I personally don't think her programs were bad this season at all. They tried to play to her strengths just as they did with Anna and Alena and I think they mostly succeeded in that. Truth is she stopped performing and only went through the motions when her quads started failing her. She decided it was best to start throwing everything up against the wall jump wise and pay scant attention to everything else in between so of course she kept falling farther behind Alena/Anna. That's where her team failed her because, like I said above, they let it happen.

The truth might actually be opposite. Russia media reports that Tutberidze was trying to rein Trusova in and get to focus on skating cleanly and becoming more well rounded, and Trusova was the one who wanted to focus on adding more quads. It's precisely Tutberidze's refusal to appease Sasha's jump obsession that led to conflict.

 

[CaliSteve]

The truth might actually be opposite. Russia media reports that Tutberidze was trying to rein Trusova in and get to focus on skating cleanly and becoming more well rounded, and Trusova was the one who wanted to focus on adding more quads. It's precisely Tutberidze's refusal to appease Sasha's jump obsession that led to conflict.

I think the truth may be in the middle.

 

[starrynight]

I’ve been reading around the internet and it’s curious to see the number of fans who freely admit they cheer on Sambo 70 and not the individual skaters. That is, it doesn’t matter who wins - just that it is a Sambo 70 skater.

Which is interesting in a sport where all athletes are unique from each other.

Maybe Trusova branching out might lead to some of these fans finding enjoyment in following skaters as individuals?

 

[floskate]

Is no one else not the slightest bit alarmed at Danny G saying they had all tried to speak to Trusova on the phone but she wasn't taking their calls? She is a CHILD! WHY do any of these coaches have the personal number of a child who they coach? I appreciate safeguarding policies are obviously different from country to country but this is all types of wrong. ALL contact by phone needs to go through the parents.

 

[Ka3sha]

Pluschenko’s comments

Плющенко: «Откажусь почти от всех шоу и выступлений, буду работать с Трусовой 24 на 7» - 7 мая 2020 - Sport24

Интервью о бомбе в мире фигурного катания.

sport24.ru

 

[lala]

This sounds more like students going with their coach than an issue with Tutberidze per se. Coaches leave for various reasons and some take their students with them. Trusova will come out of this even stronger given her work ethic and the fact she's returning to her original teacher. I'm looking forward to see how this works for her. I ignore the Plushenko aspect as he's a coach in name only anyway. He's neither a positive or negative factor. It's all about Volkov and the quads.

I think the truth may be in the middle.

Most of the time..

 

[TAHbKA]

Is no one else not the slightest bit alarmed at Danny G saying they had all tried to speak to Trusova on the phone but she wasn't taking their calls? She is a CHILD! WHY do any of these coaches have the personal number of a child who they coach? I appreciate safeguarding policies are obviously different from country to country but this is all types of wrong. ALL contact by phone needs to go through the parents.

When I was 15 my piano teacher was calling me if, say, she wanted me to come earlier/later to the class or bring some notes or well, whatever. I would find it weird if she called my mom who wasn't home and had no idea how to play the piano (nor what I was playing) anyway

 

[starrynight]

Plenty of 16 year olds have jobs where you are directly responsible to your boss. If you quit your job they’d be entitled to contact you about it.

I don’t see the issue with them trying to talk to her - unless they had bad intentions. I’d almost think that it would be necessary to let the 16 year old have an opportunity to speak for herself. Of course, Trusova elected to not answer and that was her choice.

It’s sort of difficult to consider them defenceless children on one hand... but then on the other hand consider it ok for them to train massive hours and risk life long injury. But that’s an age old question with respect to child athletes on the elite level.

 

[hanca]

Is no one else not the slightest bit alarmed at Danny G saying they had all tried to speak to Trusova on the phone but she wasn't taking their calls? She is a CHILD! WHY do any of these coaches have the personal number of a child who they coach? I appreciate safeguarding policies are obviously different from country to country but this is all types of wrong. ALL contact by phone needs to go through the parents.

If someone is old enough to be representing the country at the Europeans and worlds, I am sure they are old enough to speak to their coaches without their parents’ supervision. After all, I am pretty sure it is not the first time she would be speaking to her coach without her parents being present.

 

[Yehudi]

I was actually talking about this with my friend. Her daughter texts her teacher many times about assignments.

 

[starrynight]

Евгений Плющенко интервью о переходе Александры Трусовой и Сергея Розанова - 7 мая 2020 - Sport24

Интервью о бомбе в мире фигурного катания.

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From google translate:

We communicate with Sergei Rozanov about the programs, we have already chosen music. I repeat, this choice was made by the athlete herself, yes, she is 15 years old, but she is already experienced.

 

[lala]

Is no one else not the slightest bit alarmed at Danny G saying they had all tried to speak to Trusova on the phone but she wasn't taking their calls? She is a CHILD! WHY do any of these coaches have the personal number of a child who they coach? I appreciate safeguarding policies are obviously different from country to country but this is all types of wrong. ALL contact by phone needs to go through the parents.

I'm really surprised.. In our culture this is totally normal.

Plus Trusova is almost 16, he has own accounts on IG, probably on Vkontakte, etc. That is much more dangerous!

 

[TAHbKA]

I hope Pluschenko has a person whose responsibility is to read the rules and make sure the programmes are following those rules. I would hate Trusova losing because she did too many quads/combos. Also remembering Pluschenko's idea about choreography (though I was pleasantly surpsied seeing his recent videos - seems the off ice training did pay off in the end, unfortunately 20 years too late) it should suit Trusova - hands around fingers sticking to all the direction, horrid posture, and jump jump jump jump!

 

[hanca]

I hope Pluschenko has a person whose responsibility is to read the rules and make sure the programmes are following those rules. I would hate Trusova losing because she did too many quads/combos. Also remembering Pluschenko's idea about choreography (though I was pleasantly surpsied seeing his recent videos - seems the off ice training did pay off in the end, unfortunately 20 years too late) it should suit Trusova - hands around fingers sticking to all the direction, horrid posture, and jump jump jump jump!

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trusova was keeping an eye on all the rules. Tutberidze was very good with the strategy with points, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this rubbed off on her students. Unlike Pluschenko, Trusova grew up in the system where maximising the points is the way to win.

 

[starrynight]

I think the key thing is Rozanov. I don't know much about him. It always seemed like it was Tutberidze, Gleikhengauz and Dudakov front and centre. But from what I am reading, Rozanov has been a key factor in teaching jumps. So I think was Rozanov will be doing from a technical perspective will be more a significant factor here than what Plushenko will be doing.

I read Rozanov will be getting his own group of skaters and will be a main coach. So I expect that he will be one of the people looking to ensure that all technical requirements are considered.

 

[Nadya]

TBH staying beside her daughter at the expense of her empire is the first time I've felt some real respect for her as a person.

She couldn't return if she wanted to, there are no flights.

 

[lala]

I think the key thing is Rozanov. I don't know much about him. It always seemed like it was Tutberidze, Gleikhengauz and Dudakov front and centre. But from what I am reading, Rozanov has been a key factor in teaching jumps. So I think was Rozanov will be doing from a technical perspective will be more a significant factor here than what Plushenko will be doing.

I read Rozanov will be getting his own group of skaters and will be a main coach. So I expect that he will be one of the people looking to ensure that all technical requirements are considered.

I found it ridiculous that you think Rozanov( Who is Rozanov? When, where, and how many years he skated? Sorry, I don't know, but my mistake, of course..) is better tech coach as Plushenko. Who helped Mishin to develop his method. Mishin trained Plushenko for 21 years. The young Plushenko was who stood on ice and showed the excersices on Mishin's seminars about his method for the other coaches. Do you think he didn't learn anything? He mentioned not once he teaches the jumps in Mishin method plus his own little secrets. Recommend you watch the AoP's Ig account, maybe you find some surprised and really enjoyable to watch.
But Of course, I don't know he will be the succesful coach of Sasha. I just don't like the nonsenses.

 

[starrynight]

@lala I was actually defending the move to Plushenko, so I think your anger to me is misdirected.

Plushenko has done the sensible thing and gathered a strong team around him, including a good technical specialist who has worked successfully with Trusova for years. This step removes any uncertainty about whether the team can provide adequate technical direction.

 

[zebraswan]

Is no one else not the slightest bit alarmed at Danny G saying they had all tried to speak to Trusova on the phone but she wasn't taking their calls? She is a CHILD! WHY do any of these coaches have the personal number of a child who they coach? I appreciate safeguarding policies are obviously different from country to country but this is all types of wrong. ALL contact by phone needs to go through the parents.

You know that the coaches go with the young skaters to competitions, right? How are they supposed to contact their student if they get separated and they don't have their phone number? Call the parents (who may be on the other side of the world) to call their kid to call the coach back?

 

[Gris]

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Are those flowers for Eteri?

 

[drfj]

I found it ridiculous that you think Rozanov( Who is Rozanov? When, where, and how many years he skated? Sorry, I don't know, but my mistake, of course..) is better tech coach as Plushenko. Who helped Mishin to develop his method. Mishin trained Plushenko for 21 years. The young Plushenko was who stood on ice and showed the excersices on Mishin's seminars about his method for the other coaches. Do you think he didn't learn anything? He mentioned not once he teaches the jumps in Mishin method plus his own little secrets. Recommend you watch the AoP's Ig account, maybe you find some surprised and really enjoyable to watch.
But Of course, I don't know he will be the succesful coach of Sasha. I just don't like the nonsenses.

to be a good coach does not mean to be a brilliant competitor,some of the best coaches had nearly no results during their competitor's life!