Royalty Thread #9. Welcome Archie, the red headed heir, don’t care!

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Those who are motivated by hate and bitter jealousy surely have reasons for feeling the way they do that are complicated and variant. Yes, the way these people feel actually has little to do with who Meghan and Harry are. But that's usually the case with blind negativity, hatred, and prejudiced attitudes. The envy of some people surely has to do with a variety of motivations. It could be some people have an emotional or sentimental attachment to Harry and as a result they don't like Meghan because of her ethnic background, or because she was a successful actor, and/or because she's glamorous and gorgeous, or because she comes from an ordinary upbringing, or because they don't think she's 'good enough' for Harry.

Those who dislike Meghan come from all backgrounds, btw. But there are also many people of goodwill from around the world (also of all backgrounds) who reasonably admire, support and applaud the good work that Meghan and Harry are doing. Such reasonable people tend not to be OTT negative and disdainful about the decisions Harry & Meghan have been forced to make in order to preserve the privacy and peacefulness of their personal lives. *(For example, I will include a follow-up post about their decisions surrounding the birth of Archie)

Meanwhile, of course it's not a piece of cake becoming part of the royal family. Again, jealousy is not logical. Some haters may resent Meghan & Harry being so happy, in love and wealthy, because they are unhappy in their own lives. Meghan was already wealthy, btw. But British royal wealth is very substantial, and that does NOT include taxpayer contributions which go chiefly toward security costs and upkeep of some of the royal residences that are part of the crown estate. Some people seem to think marrying into royalty means you have it made. In the sense of not having to worry about certain mundane things in life, that's probably largely true, albeit everything in life comes with a price.

The British royals enjoy a great many luxurious lifestyle perks, the extent of which we can't be that knowledgeable about unless we've experienced it ourselves up close and personal. As author Brian Hoey said in his book, Not in Front of the Corgis, the British royals do not spare any expense "on what they eat, drink, wear, ride, and drive." (I would add, nor on residences and decor, although the Queen is said to be careful about costs of electricity, and she is strict about not being wasteful).

Meghan has made a number of personal sacrifices in order to marry Harry, but obviously she feels the sacrifices are worth it. Being in love and sharing similar passions with your partner is definitely a blessing and something to cherish. But love comes with a price too. The British royal family is certainly not a family to enter lightly. I think Meghan fell deeply in love and she obviously shares tremendous passions with Harry. Plus, she brings a lot of assets to the royal role. Chief among them is how calm, graceful and comfortable she is with being in the spotlight.

Being in front of cameras on a daily basis was part of Meghan's livelihood. Still, I'm sure the learning curve for her regarding the ins-and-outs of royal life began as soon as Harry and Meghan knew they were going to commit for the long haul. They certainly made a mutual commitment to each other and from all available evidence, they've devotedly nurtured their love. I think their love story is interesting, inspiring and it offers lessons to learn from. I think it's rather sad and unproductive to envy, disparage, relentlessly criticize, and unconsciously or otherwise succumb to marginalizing the Sussexes and the deep love they are blessed to share with each other.
 
@aftershocks, I love a lot of your links & a lot of the information about various topics that you share with us. But your habit of refuting in long long posts every word that anyone else of us posts is tiresome. All of us are entitled to our opinions, not just you. If someone thinks it was unwise of Meghan to go to Wimbleton in jeans, that's her opinion. Telling her at length that it was ok for Meghan to do that probably didn't change her opinion. It just makes you look like an uberfan who can't stand anyone else's opinion.
 
If someone thinks it was unwise of Meghan to go to Wimbleton in jeans, that's her opinion.

Thank you. It is also the opinion of the Wimbledon membership. @aftershocks, Meghan did not purchase tickets in the public section. She went, with two friends and her security detail, and expected to be seated in an area where members are not allowed to where jeans. There was also a British player playing shortly after that the club quite reasonable would have expected that Meghan would, at a minimum, want to watch for a moment or two.

It is not that she doesn’t have a dozen other things she could have worn. It was unthinking and inconsiderate. Meghan is now royalty. Royalty do not wear jeans to Wimbledon. Hopefully she has learned that putting hard working volunteers to extra work is rightfully called out and gets you bad press. Choices have consequences, shocking, I know.

I know I won’t change anyone’s mind so I will drop it now.
 
I know that Meghan and Harry want to lead a very normal life but I think they'd be able to lead a much more normal life if they didn't try so hard. That Meghan doesn't have a stylist leads to fashion faux-pas and they end up splashed all over the media. If she did have a stylist then there'd probably still be talk about what she's wearing but it would be a lot less controversial.
 
@aftershocks, I love a lot of your links & a lot of the information about various topics that you share with us. But your habit of refuting in long long posts every word that anyone else of us posts is tiresome. All of us are entitled to our opinions, not just you. If someone thinks it was unwise of Meghan to go to Wimbleton in jeans, that's her opinion. Telling her at length that it was ok for Meghan to do that probably didn't change her opinion. It just makes you look like an uberfan who can't stand anyone else's opinion.
I agree with you.

Just want to point out that the jeans thing is a rule..not a request. Meghan is responsible for knowing these things. She either doesn't care (which is rude) or likes being special(all publicity is good publicity) which is selfish.
 
Thank you. It is also the opinion of the Wimbledon membership. @aftershocks, Meghan did not purchase tickets in the public section. She went, with two friends and her security detail, and expected to be seated in an area where members are not allowed to where jeans. There was also a British player playing shortly after that the club quite reasonable would have expected that Meghan would, at a minimum, want to watch for a moment or two.

It is not that she doesn’t have a dozen other things she could have worn. It was unthinking and inconsiderate. Meghan is now royalty. Royalty do not wear jeans to Wimbledon.

You said she 'expected' to be seated in an area where members were not allowed to wear jeans.

Was she not seated in that area, and instead seated in an area whether members could wear jeans? If so, did that happen precisely because she was wearing jeans?
 
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I hate tracksuits on anyone if they aren't at the track or doing some other sport. That's a lot more casual than designer jeans IMO. I agree with @clairecloutier, Meghan should be put in style jail but with Princess Sofia.
 
Desr Meghan was seated in the Members only area at Wimbledon were it is deemed a breech of etiquette to West Jeans. Had she just been in the stands she could have worn whatever she wanted. But she did not. And officials did she could not be tested in the royal box in the jeans.

She is a royal with all the perks and responsibility. Would it have been so very difficult to put on a skirt? And don't tell she did not know...of course she did.
 
You said she 'expected' to be seated in an area where members were not allowed to wear jeans?

Was she not seated in that area, and instead seated in an area whether members could wear jeans? If so, did that happen precisely because she was wearing jeans?

She was seated in the members area where jeans are not allowed and all members know and advise their guests accordingly. However when Meghan turned up in jeans the club knew they could not turn her away which they have done with others so basically had to seat her in the members section jeans and all. Yes she did look stylish with her jeans and jacket but she should have known the etiquette - or her social secretary should have done - and dressed accordingly. I did note that both her friends were dressed accordingly so either they know the dress requirement or erred on the side of caution.
 
@aftershocks, I love a lot of your links & a lot of the information about various topics that you share with us. But your habit of refuting in long long posts every word that anyone else of us posts is tiresome. All of us are entitled to our opinions, not just you. If someone thinks it was unwise of Meghan to go to Wimbleton in jeans, that's her opinion. Telling her at length that it was ok for Meghan to do that probably didn't change her opinion. It just makes you look like an uberfan who can't stand anyone else's opinion.

Just as you say others' have their opinions, I also have mine, which I will continue to share when I am moved to do so. No one has to agree with me. It's interesting how people appear to get all tied up in knots because I share my opinions that fairly differ from some of the more relentlessly negative takes about Meghan. I share how I feel based on extensive reading and research over many years regarding the British royals and other topics involving figure skating, etc.

As I said earlier, the entire brouhaha surrounding the Duchess of Sussex is rather polarizing, inflammatory and surreal. It's too bad that intelligent conversations can't exist practically anywhere on the topic of Meghan and Harry. It would behoove many people here and elsewhere to seriously examine their own motivations and perceptions. But obviously, everyone has free will and their own way of thinking and can do as they please. Sadly, so much of this brouhaha has very little to do with who Meghan is as a person in her own right. And so it goes.
 
She was seated in the members area where jeans are not allowed and all members know and advise their guests accordingly. However when Meghan turned up in jeans the club knew they could not turn her away which they have done with others so basically had to seat her in the members section jeans and all. Yes she did look stylish with her jeans and jacket but she should have known the etiquette - or her social secretary should have done - and dressed accordingly. I did note that both her friends were dressed accordingly so either they know the dress requirement or erred on the side of caution.
Everyone knows that.i believe Meghan always has an agenda. The jeans certainly garnered her extra special publicity.:encore:
 
Or she was in the fog of newborn sleep deprivation and went on instinct, which was to wear a pair of jeans. She’s an American with a sh*t ton of royal rules to remember. She probably forgot this one and wore something that most Americans would wear to a sporting event, a pair of jeans.

ETA And just because she looked lively (and lovely) doesn’t mean she wasn’t in a sleep-deprived fog.
 
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Or she was in the fog of newborn sleep deprivation and went on instinct, which was to wear a pair of jeans. She’s an American with a sh*t ton of royal rules to remember. She probably forgot this one and wore something that most Americans would wear to a sporting event, a pair of jeans.

ETA And just because she looked lively (and lovely) doesn’t mean she wasn’t in a sleep-deprived fog.
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Or she was in the fog of newborn sleep deprivation and went on instinct, which was to wear a pair of jeans. She’s an American with a sh*t ton of royal rules to remember. She probably forgot this one and wore something that most Americans would wear to a sporting event, a pair of jeans.

ETA And just because she looked lively (and lovely) doesn’t mean she wasn’t in a sleep-deprived fog.
Not enough fog. To excuse that.
 
Wearing jeans to a sporting event. I am deeply shocked. Clutches pearls.

Do the royal families of Scandinavia have fewer anachronistic restrictions?
It is not a royal restriction. It's a Wimbledon rule that applies to everyone and has existed for years.

The rules at Wimbledon are rather strict compared to other venues and most people know that. It's been a subject in the news many times. As an example, they still have a rule that players need to dress in mostly white. And cream doesn't count. The referee can force a player to change if they don't think their outfit is white enough.

The idea that Meghan didn't know there was a dress code is pretty laughable really.
 
It certainly would. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

As I already said, I always do. :) That we mostly disagree on the topic of the Duchess of Sussex is nothing new, just as we don't always agree on other topics, unsurprisingly. And the world continues to turn. :lol:


Yep, that was already reported previously, but the report you cite is confirmation. It's been in the news since June. Meghan will not appear on the cover, but this should be an interesting issue that will most likely sell out. I can hardly wait for the critiques from negative naysayers who frequent this thread.

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The British Vogue guest-editing news was announced on the SussexRoyal Instagram today, probably to coincide with press reports, and to come ahead of the August 2 publication:

I wonder when some people will finally realize that Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex is a laid-back, savvy, smart, classy lady with genuine heart. This doesn't mean she's perfect, but she does know how to focus on what's important and get the job done, while taking time to give thanks for her blessings and help uplift others. She does not sweat the small stuff nor the noise from detractors. I learned this about her as soon as I went to the source: her former Instagram; her former Tig blog; her substantive interviews (with Larry King; and at the Create & Cultivate conference in October 2016); her U.N. speech; her writings; the September 2017 Vanity Fair cover story; learning what people who know her have had to say about her; the Harry & Meghan engagement interview; her speeches since becoming the Duchess of Sussex; and seeing how astutely she conducted herself during the Women's Day panel discussion for the Queen's Commonwealth Trust: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GDsdm0uyQg It's no accident that Meghan was named VP of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust by HM QE-II.

Also impressive are Meghan's first four patronages, and her first project launch as a royal: the Hubb Community Kitchen collaborative cookbook, Together. That was a brilliant effort which sold per the recent Royal Foundation audit, 130,000 copies when 30,000 were the original goal. In fact, the audit further reveals that Sentebale, The Invictus Games, and Meghan's Hubb Community Cookbook project were the top charitable ventures that brought in the most fundraising money this past year as part of the former Royal Foundation under the Cambridges and the Sussexes. Of course the two couples have recently decided to helm separate foundations.
 
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Apparently only one person posting on this thread has done "extensive research and reading over many years" on the topics they are discussing. Who knew that everybody else's opinions were so ill-informed :rolleyes:

That my extensive research and reading makes you claim everyone else's opinions aren't up to par is laughable. But if you feel that way, hmmm...


I just read both your responses to me, in their entirety, and all I can say now is I think I need a nap...

I hope your 'nap' led to some sweet dreams for you Jenny. :saint: Perhaps you dreamt of royal toddlers and tiaras. :lol: An excellent new thread title suggest by Zemgirl.
 
I vaguely remember one year Kate caused some controversy because she wore a bright red dress to Wimbledon and that was somehow against the suggested dress code.
Wimbledon dress code is more garden party than typical sporting event. It's really rather constipated.
No. It is really rather famous. Lime Ascot opening day or the Derby. It is called appropriate attire..
 
Kate looks great in red. I don't follow tennis and I'm not British so the only thing I remembered about Wimbledon is that people ate strawberries (because I love strawberries)

So I read (skimmed really) the very very very long article on wikipedia titled entitled "The Championships, Wimbledon". The competition is impressive. The sport is impressive.
I tend to find the analysis of Ellis Cashmore (whom I have never heard of before) somewhat convincing.

If I were ever at Ascot, I'm afraid I might get too excited and behave like Eliza Doolittle.
 
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