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I'm not so sure about the tiara. It seemed massive, and I'm wondering if a veil would have softened it a bit. On the other hand, a veil might have been too much.
I was surprised Eugenie didn't wear a veil, but as I said earlier, it was a wonderful choice for her. Since the wind was blowing so much, it all worked out for the best. We got to see Eugenie in all her glory. And, above all, it's been established that she purposely chose not to wear a veil in order to avoid obscuring the surgical scar on her back, which she desired to proudly display as part of placing more awareness on scoliosis. Eugenie is fortunate to have had access to the best surgical care to correct her condition at the age of 12 (which involved the insertion of steel rods to help pull her spine into a straighter position and maintain stability): http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/childrens/spinal-fusion-for-the-treatment-of-idiopathic-scoliosis-in-children

Re the tiara, it just works so well for Eugenie because of her coloring. She can definitely carry off the size of the tiara too because of the broad shape of her face and her large bone structure. She's not that tall, but she's not small-boned either, i.e., she doesn't have a petite frame. She wore the tiara well, but it wouldn't work for everyone. Aside from the emerald stones and larger size, the styling of the Greville Emerald tiara is somewhat similar to the Diamond Bandeau tiara of Queen Mary's that Meghan wore on her wedding day. Both tiaras are in the 'bandeau' style, but the one Eugenie wore is called a Kokoshnik tiara (which references a traditional Russian headdress) "similar to the semicircular or keel-like decorative element in Russian architecture."
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a23693913/princess-eugenie-meghan-markle-royal-wedding-tiara-compared/

I wish, there was a photo of the back though.
https://people.com/royals/princess-eugenie-royal-wedding-official-portraits/

I'd love to see the back too. What a home run by Zac Posen! Viva Eugenie! She slam-dunked both outfits. I'm happy for her, because she hasn't been particularly sartorially savvy that often. Things are looking up for her fashion-wise. She's really glowing. She should stick with getting the best design advice from the best designers. Pilotto and de Vos did such a great job for her in styling and fitting her wedding dress. She should use them again in the future.

Looking back at Princess Margaret's wedding gown, it was somewhat similar in styling to Eugenie's wedding dress aesthetic. Princess Charlene of Monaco's dress (aside from no sleeves) has a similar aesthetic to Meghan's wedding dress, especially re the boatneck bodice, and similar to Eugenie's re the folded styling of the bodice/neckline. Also, Meghan's TTC Carolina Herrera 2-piece outfit (my favorite of what she's worn since her wedding) has a similar folded bodice/neckline as Eugenie's wedding dress:
https://www.hellomagazine.com/fashion/news/2018060959560/meghan-markle-trooping-the-colour-outfit-details/
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/a21245866/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-trooping-the-colour-2018-first-outfit-compared/
Serena, Countess of Snowden wore a wedding dress exactly like her mother-in-law Princess Margaret's, right down to the design and placement of her veil:
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2010/06/top-10-best-royal-wedding-dresses-6-hrh.html
http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/the-wedding-dress-of-princess-margaret-countess-of-snowdon-101867

Thanks @Parsley Sage for pointing out that the Kents, Chattos, and Gloucesters were present at Eugenie's wedding. I didn't get to see them entering on the live stream I watched. I'm not sure that all the Kent cousins were there (i.e, the Earl of St. Andrews and his family, including daughters Lady Marina and Lady Amelia). I didn't know that Lady Gabriella Windsor was recently engaged. So there will be another wedding early next year, though definitely there won't be high profile interest, and especially no filming of the ceremony. Interestingly, beautiful Lady Amelia Windsor works as a model and studies at the University of Edinburgh:
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a20682834/lady-amelia-windsor-facts/
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/a20089441/lady-gabriella-windsor-facts/

Details on Eugenie's festival celebration today at Royal Lodge:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/inside-princess-eugenie-jack-brooksbanks-13414199

@Vagabond quoting article:
"... raised eyebrows for its description of the lead character as 'an elegant young roughneck,'":
Probably the raising of eyebrows was more from observers and royal journalists rather than E&J's friends and family. ;)
 
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Here's another very lovely formal portrait of Eugenie taken two years ago at Royal Lodge. That shade of rose pink is her color! What a beautiful sheer organza and lace gown by Alberta Ferretti, with the embroidered flowers and leaves strategically positioned. Bellissima!
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a16956/princess-eugenie-of-york-interview/

It's an interesting interview that gives insight into Eugenie's personality and her work in the art world. She says Jean-Michel Basquiat is her hero! He was a uniquely brilliant artist. She loves watching Viola Davis in How to Get Away With Murder, and Outlander is also one of her fave shows.

Whoa, this article states that Peter Pilotto and Christopher de Vos had never designed a wedding dress before creating Eugenie's! She has worn other clothing designed by them for a few years, since meeting them at an art event...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/7481813/designers-peter-pilotto-christopher-de-vos-princess-eugenie-wedding-dress/
"The designers first undertook archive research into previous dresses worn by members of the Royal Family and identified a silhouette. During several fittings, the dress was developed layer by layer. The corset was the first part to be constructed, before the complex underskirt, fitted bodice and full pleated skirt..."

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Lady Sarah Chatto's wedding dress (1994) was classically fab and well-suited for her too:
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/10/readers-top-10-wedding-gowns-9-lady.html

Created by Jasper Conran, the dress design was inspired by a Holbein painting! Sarah wore a tiara made of brooches given to her mother by her father (the Snowden Floral Tiara). It's very distinctive and unusual. Sarah doesn't have daughters, but perhaps a future daughter-in-law may wear this lovely tiara again some day. :) Wow that Sarah's young adult bridesmaids wore nearly identical white dresses. They all look so lovely together, but I think it's very unusual to have bridesmaids wearing dresses so similar to the bride's. I wonder how/why that choice came about.

In 2001, Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway, wore a wedding dress very similar to Lady Sarah's. Perhaps some inspired appropriation was involved, as clearly designers do research past royal wedding dress creations. Actually Mette-Marit's dress resembles Duchess Meghan's a bit more than Lady Sarah's. Aside from the fuller skirt and a square cut bodice with cap-like covered shoulders, it has the simple clean lines and minimalist aesthetic we see in Meghan's Givenchy creation. The veil is not elaborate though:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_e9OLDZlTqHI/TBVTBr2a2mI/AAAAAAAAAWs/F6Ec77ZR-Fg/s1600/2001-08-25--FullFrontView--silkehusetdotdk.jpg

Hmm, surely Clare Waight Keller and Duchess Meghan were inspired by then Princess Maxima's wedding dress (2002), in addition to her embroidered veil:
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/10/readers-top-10-wedding-gowns-3-princess.html

Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden's wedding dress also has similar clean lines (aside from the banded waist). However, the folded bodice design and no sleeves is like the styling of Princess Charlene of Monaco's dress:
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/10/readers-top-10-wedding-gowns-1-crown.html

I love Princess Charlotte of Monaco's wedding dress too, which is in the coat dress style
Correction to my post #1783: Princess Charlene of Monaco; plus her wedding dress was not a coat dress style. Probably I was thinking of a different recent European royal bride wearing a coat dress style.
 
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I thought eugenies dress and jewelry were absolutely perfect for her. Definitely one of my all time royal favorites, although Beatrice Borromeo (Monaco) wins for me in the modern era.
 

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Me too. I find this dress of hers to be completely stunning.
Right, you posted just before I did. That's the silk tulle wedding dress in the Greek classical design style. It's quite stunning on Borromeo with its flowing lines (but it wouldn't work for every body ;)). Borromeo and her Casiraghi hubby (Pierre) are very attractive and seem made for each other. Borromeo and Casiraghi (who looks a lot like his father Stefano -- the deceased speedboat racer) have two sons, the youngest was born 4 months ago.
https://ca.hellomagazine.com/brides/02016112831235/beatrice-borromeo-unseen-wedding-dress-photos/

I thought eugenies dress and jewelry were absolutely perfect for her. Definitely one of my all time royal favorites, although Beatrice Borromeo (Monaco) wins for me in the modern era.
But which of Borromeo's wedding dresses? She was married twice (in a civil ceremony, and then in a religious ceremony). Are you referring to both of her exquisite wedding gowns, by Armani? IMHO, these gowns work so well for Borromeo, with the first harking back to an elegant embroidered lace wedding party dress worn by Princess Grace, and the second referencing the flowing lines and design style of Greek classicism in pure white. These dresses enhance Borromeo and are quite lovely, but would not work for everyone. Cool and contemporary, yes, with classic inspiration from the past:
https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/2015080326537/beatrice-borromeo-channels-grace-kelly-wedding/
 
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Yay Megz is pregz!

Officially announced after a lot of fevered speculation online after her appearance at the wedding on Friday.

They’ve probably announced now as they will have to cut out certain places in the Australasia tour due to the Zika risk.
 

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Breaking news on the BBC. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex expecting a baby due in the Spring of next year.
 

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Ooo, apparently they told senior Royal Family members at Friday’s wedding.

Hmmm I think that’s a bit of a faux pas!
 

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I'm happy for them. Do royal family members typically wait until the second trimester to make the announcement like most people?
 

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I'm happy for them. Do royal family members typically wait until the second trimester to make the announcement like most people?
Usually. The Duchess of Cambridge had to announce early due to her extreme morning sickness.i would guess Meghan is around 3-4 months pregnant.
 

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Congrats to the Sussexes on their news. You could tell she was pregnant at the wedding but I'm sure they didn't want to announce officially so not to take away from Eugenie & Jack's moment.

And I'm surprised she still went on this long tour but I guess at 12 weeks, she's feeling all right. Sounds like no changes due to Zika virus.
 

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Ooo, apparently they told senior Royal Family members at Friday’s wedding.

Hmmm I think that’s a bit of a faux pas!
Maybe but as Charles was heading back to Balmoral on Friday evening and had come down at the last minute for the wedding and Harry and Meghan were heading off on their tour Saturday then that was really the only time they could do it. I suspect they only told HM and the Duke as well as Charles and maybe William. It was clearly kept very quite as nothing leaked from that reception - and there were 800+ people there.

I wouldn't be surprised if Eugenie and Jack had no idea and neither did 99% of their guests which is all that mattered.

It looks as if Meghan is so far having a straight forwards pregnancy as otherwise she wouldn't have gone on such a trip so fingers crossed she continues to have a trouble free pregnancy as we look forwards to welcoming another royal baby!!
 

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Yay more baby news! I know this crowd knows this kind of thing better than most, but thought I'd share this link from CNN as it has good graphic of the family tree, nice to have it all in one place like that with years of birth, order of succession etc.

Already early talk that the child is not entitled to the title of Prince or Princess, but that the Queen could make an exception if she chooses. My bet is she will, unless Harry and Meghan want to go the route of some of his cousins with lesser titles. Harry might want that, remember him joking/not joking that every time his brother has a kid it moves him further down the line and he's good with that, but at the same time, he might want to go with GrandMum on this too.

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@Jenny I think Harry and Meghan will go with a lesser titles much the way Prince Edward has done with his kids. Prince Charles is apparently quite keen slim down the monarchy (much to Andrew’s dismay!) so I doubt Harry’s kids will be Prince and Princesses.
 

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Congrats to Meghan & Harry on their baby news! Apparently, the Duchess is about 12 weeks pregnant and their first child is due in Spring 2019 (announced by KP earlier today). The Duke & Duchess landed in Australia over the weekend, and will be greeted with excited cheers of well wishes by the public, according to reports coming out of Australia. Many Australians have been following the M&H romance from the beginning...

So this time, the speculation about what Meghan was wearing during Eugenie's wedding is accurate! :) It did look like a very loose and comfortable outfit for her. And the jewel-like deep blue color showed up so much brighter in the sun than it did inside St. George's Chapel. Harry & Meghan are said to have announced the news to all royal family members on the occasion of Eugenie's wedding.

It seems to me that M&H might have held the news back a bit longer but I guess around now is the time that Duchess Meghan is beginning to show signs of being pregnant, and there would continue to be speculation every time she stepped out. Since she will be very visible in the spotlight over the next several weeks on tour, it makes sense for them to go ahead with the announcement. Everyone will be even more interested in what she's wearing.

So, they decided not to waste too much time to start a family, unsurprisingly. :) I think that's smart and why not, since they surely want to have more than one child. I thought they would either go for it before the end of this year or shortly after the beginning of next year. With Meghan being about 12 weeks pregnant, that means she conceived around the end of July, just prior to the royal family's August break when they travel to Scotland.
https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
http://madaboutmeghan.blogspot.com/
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/meghan-markle-prince-harry-announce-pregnancy/story?id=58500517
 
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They’ve probably announced now as they will have to cut out certain places in the Australasia tour due to the Zika risk.
From the first reports coming out, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are not planning to curtail any part of their planned tour. But who knows, that intention could change depending upon any unforeseen circumstances. However, since every royal tour involves a great deal of advance scouting by staffers and planning every detail down to the minute regarding venue, security issues, food & lodging, and people they will be meeting, etc, including health and safety concerns, they apparently are not worried.
 

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Apparently they consulted with doctors to determine the safety of the trip, and they were given the go-ahead. It was mis-reported that Meghan would be sitting out of the Fiji portion of the trip, but it's since been announced that there are no changes to the itinerary.

While I agree it's a bit of a wedding faux pas to announce your news during a reception, we don't really know how it was done. "The wedding" can refer to the whole weekend - it could have even been while getting ready between the ceremony and reception. And I doubt Harry took the microphone at the reception to say "I knocked up my wife!" or anything.

Congratulations to the parents-to-be! That's going to be one gorgeous child. Here's hoping the Markles don't make the news all about them...
 

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@Jenny I think Harry and Meghan will go with a lesser titles much the way Prince Edward has done with his kids. Prince Charles is apparently quite keen slim down the monarchy (much to Andrew’s dismay!) so I doubt Harry’s kids will be Prince and Princesses.
ITA. OTOH unless the rules are changed, upon Prince Charles' ascension to the throne, Harry's children would under current rules, automatically be entitled to be styled as Prince/Princess. I believe that a decision has likely already been arrived at. For eg., with the birth of William's children, rules were changed so that Charlotte would be styled a Princess, and so that she would be in line to the throne ahead of any male siblings born after her, which was not the case e.g., when Princess Anne was born in the 1950s.

Personally, I think that Prince Harry may not be interested in saddling his children with the Prince/Princess title that he admittedly struggled with. However, for now, we don't know for sure and will have to wait and see. Unless they make some kind of rule change before the child's birth, it will be styled Lord/Lady upon birth. When Charles takes the throne, there will be the opportunity for them to take on the Prince/Princess title (again unless a specific rule change or a different decision has already been made). I tend to think that Meghan and Harry will not go the route of Prince/ Princess. It will be Prince George's line that will become the immediate royal family in the future. But again, we shall see regarding what Charles and his sons decide. I would be surprised if Harry's kids are styled Prince/Princess, but it's not as if it isn't possible.

While I agree it's a bit of a wedding faux pas to announce your news during a reception, we don't really know how it was done. "The wedding" can refer to the whole weekend - it could have even been while getting ready between the ceremony and reception. And I doubt Harry took the microphone at the reception to say "I knocked up my wife!" or anything.
ITA @screech. Wow, the speculation about how it was announced to their family members is completely silly. All of us should probably keep in mind that we are not in this royal family relationship. Meghan is, we are not. Why does it even occur to anyone to question how they made the announcement to their family??? I'm sure it was done naturally in privacy with their immediate family and passed on confidentially to other members of the royal family, or perhaps privately in front of all members of the extended royals at some point prior to Meghan and Harry leaving to finish packing for their tour. Obviously, the announcement was not made in front of the wedding guests at the reception. :drama: For all we know, Meghan and Harry had likely already told Will & Kate, and perhaps even Zara and Autumn and Sophie, and QEII. We don't know.

I came across the absolute cutest photo ever of Sophie, Countess of Wessex with her son James. Talk about royal PDAs coming of age! :lol: Sweet!
https://hrhcountessofwessex.blogspot.com/2015/12/christmas-at-ascot-racecourse-for.html
 
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Yay more baby news! I know this crowd knows this kind of thing better than most, but thought I'd share this link from CNN as it has good graphic of the family tree, nice to have it all in one place like that with years of birth, order of succession etc.

Already early talk that the child is not entitled to the title of Prince or Princess, but that the Queen could make an exception if she chooses. My bet is she will, unless Harry and Meghan want to go the route of some of his cousins with lesser titles. Harry might want that, remember him joking/not joking that every time his brother has a kid it moves him further down the line and he's good with that, but at the same time, he might want to go with GrandMum on this too.

Thoughts?
The interesting thing is if that Charles was already Monarch Harry's children would be entitled to be called Prince or Princess. The Letters patent issued by George V in 1917 (I think that's the date) stated that only children of the males issues of the monarch was allowed to be called Prince or Princess. An exception was added that the first born son of the first born son of the Prince of Wales would also be referenced as Prince - done mainly because George himself was 2nd in line for the throne behind his farther and had a son at that point due to the longevity of his Grandmother Queen Victoria. A letters patent had to be introduced in 1948 to ensure the then Princess Elizabeth's children would also carry the title of Prince or Princess.

In 2012 the Queen introduced another Letters Patent to ensure all Williams children would hold the title of Prince or Princess as until then only the eldest born son of William could hold the title of Prince and the accession had already been changed to allow the eldest born child to become heir. That would have been very awkward if Charlotte was first born and referred to as only Lady but George as 2nd born was a Prince!!

Edward and Sophie's kids are allowed the titles of Prince and Princess but their parents - with the Queens permission - have decided to use the titles of Lady and Lord instead.

The Queen would have to issue another letters patent to allow Harry's kids to carry the title of Prince or Princess. I think it will determine what Harry wants as well as the Queen's thoughts on the matter.

Charles's pared down version of the monarchy actually includes both of his sons. That is what riles Prince Andrew. What I find amusing is that his girls seem happy to do their own thing anyways.
 
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Yay more baby news! I know this crowd knows this kind of thing better than most, but thought I'd share this link from CNN as it has good graphic of the family tree, nice to have it all in one place like that with years of birth, order of succession etc.

Already early talk that the child is not entitled to the title of Prince or Princess, but that the Queen could make an exception if she chooses. My bet is she will, unless Harry and Meghan want to go the route of some of his cousins with lesser titles...
As I mentioned earlier, unless rules are changed, the child would be Lord/Lady at birth. When Charles takes the throne, any children of Harry's and Meghan's are entitled to be styled Prince/Princess as the grandchildren of a monarch. That's why Bea and Eugenie are styled as Princesses. Prince Edward's children had the right to be styled Prince/Princess too under rules that are in place, but a decision was made for them to be known as Lord/Lady. I believe the same decision will be made for Harry's children. However, at this point, they would just be known as Lord/Lady anyway upon birth. And I doubt an exception will be made, as it was before the births of George and Charlotte. Hey, but we wait and see. :)

As a female born in the 1950s, Princess Anne had to come after her brothers in the line of succession (but that rule was changed preceding the births of William's youngsters). Also, Princess Anne's children could have received titles, if Anne had agreed for her husband to receive a title as was offered by QEII. But Anne declined.

The interesting this is if that Charles was already Monarch Harry's children would be entitled to be called Prince or Princess.
You probably have me on ignore. :lol: I already pointed this out... :p:watch:

You could tell she was pregnant at the wedding...
The outfit appeared to be allowing some room, but since pregnancy rumors started even before they were married, we never know for sure until the announcement is made. ;)
 
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In addition to the pregnancy news, Harry has also just been appointed as a "Personal Aide-de-Camp to Her Majesty with effect from 13th October, 2018."
That's pretty cool, and thanks for the link @screech. :)

"Prince Harry’s new role is an honorary one and carries few duties. However, the news is significant because it shows the increasing role that the 34-year-old has within The Royal Family... Prince Harry is just one of nine royals to hold the position. The other aides-de-camp are the Duke of Edinburgh, the Duke of Kent, the Prince of Wales, Captain Mark Phillips, the Duke of York, the Earl of Wessex, Sir Tim Laurence and the Duke of Cambridge..."

With the other aide-de-camp appointees in mind, it looks like it's an honor that's apparently almost a given for the male children, male grandchildren in the immediate royal line, husband, and sons-in-law of QEII. But obviously, the honor shouldn't be taken for granted. I can imagine that the Queen is extremely proud and pleased with how Prince Harry, now Duke of Sussex, has turned around his life and found increased purpose and happiness with such a wonderful spouse, after having wildly wandered in the wilderness during his early to mid-twenties.

Harry admittedly never thought he'd be able to find someone willing to take on him and the royal firm too! And then thanks to the kindness of their mutual friends, Harry & Meghan hit the soulmate jackpot. How fortunate to be happy-in-love along with having a well-heeled life purposefully focused on giving back to others.

Let’s have a new thread, shall we? Any ideas for a title?
I'll take a stab at coming up with a thread title:

How about: Another Meghan lovefest, dang it! Or: Duchess Meghan lovefest anyone? :rofl: :shuffle:

Oops :duh:, it should be about Harry's new royal baby, not about his Markle sparkle wifey... :p


https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1051739344887848960
Interesting comments by well wishers posted to the KP baby news announcement
 
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... and Pippa Middleton has apparently arrived at the Lindo Wing maternity unit :)
Our royal-related baby news/ celebrations cup runneth over! I'm not too surprised, as Pippa looked like she was about to pop when I saw her at Eugenie's wedding. I was surprised to see her attend the ceremony that heavily pregnant, but I suppose she felt okay, as did Zara in May at the Sussex nuptials (aside from Zara's dumbstruck expression when Bishop Curry was sermonizing... :D)

There will indeed be a whole young set of royal babies and royal-in-law babies and royal friends' babies for the Sussex children to play with.

Regarding pre-announcement speculation about Meghan's pregnancy, I'd seen chatter that Meghan's hair at the hairline has been looking kind of frizzy (meaning she's not keeping up with hair-straightening treatments). I just attributed it to her adjusting to variant weather conditions in England. Of course, she would want to quit using any chemical straighteners during pregnancy. There are other less harsh hair-straightening methods, including blow-drying and good old hot irons/ hot combs. It would be nice if Meghan felt comfortable enough to go naturally curly again. But I don't think she ever will, as she's on record saying that she longed to have straighter hair when she was younger. Chelsea Clinton has never gone back to her natural curls either.

I bet the Sussex offspring will tend to have curly or wavy hair. It will be cute to see a child with golden-toned skin, reddish auburn hair and green eyes. But it's possible for any of their children to have brown, green, blue or hazel eyes.

For example, the Countess of Weymouth (Emma McQuiston) has a British aristocrat mother, and an African father. Emma is beautiful with broad features, light brown skin, and she likely straightens her hair. She married an attractive older English aristocrat whom she knew growing up, Ceawlin Thynn, Viscount Weymouth. They have two young boys. The oldest has light olive-toned skin, dark eyes and black hair that's medium wavy. The younger son has lighter skin with curly dark blond hair and lighter-colored eyes.

Emma and her family were featured in Vanity Fair May 2018 issue (with Meghan & Harry on the cover). Here's more on the Weymouths and their Longleat estate:
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/04/viscountess-weymouth-emma-thynn
https://www.wmagazine.com/story/emma-weymouth-british-marchioness-royal-model

The Weymouths' second son was born via surrogacy arrangements in California (due to a terrifying illness, hypophysitis, she suffered during her first pregnancy). See more cute pics of her two boys in the below DM feature. Obviously, the older boy (John) actually had a head full of curly black hair, but maybe upon cutting his hair shorter, it became slightly more wavy and less curly! The youngest boy (Henry) had straighter dark blond hair as a baby that obviously became curlier as he grew:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098436/Lady-Weymouth-reveals-new-surrogate-son.html
 
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