Royalty thread #15: A New Era

[Private Citizen]

Posting in here so as not to rain on anyone’s parade, but this is very disturbing police behaviour in a democracy.

Well, the parade was literally rained on . There were many protesters - including some with rude signs that included profanity - who were not arrested. I would like to understand why some protesters were arrested. I agree it's potentially disturbing behaviour, but I am curious if there is more to the story since there were also highly visible, sustained protests that did not result in arrest.

 

[skipaway]

I didn't see Anne today. Was she on the balcony?

This was Anne’s Primary Job for the Coronation ??

 

[skategal]

No I think he was upfront more. Maybe Edward.

Photo shows it was Kate and Sophie in front of her blocking her.

 

[becca]

I know many identical stories. Unfortunately, many people are too dependent on the opinions of others. And not everyone is able to withstand this pressure. After all, Elizabeth and Philip were clearly not the only ones who considered Camila an unsuitable bride at that time. Were they ready to overcome it then? I think no. After all, Kate wasn't the most suitable bride either, and they weren't always together either.
In any case, I think the Charles and Diana case taught the royal family a lot.

I don’t think Kate was ever seen as unsuitable. Maybe some really posh people didn’t like her roots but a lot of the aristocratic girls my understanding is didn’t want to Date William and be Queen.

I think the palace did learn from what happened with Charles, Andrew, and Anne’s marriages.

Edward’s marriage worked well and he married a mature woman with a career who he dated for years. My understanding Edward was very clear he was going to make sure any woman he married had a really good idea of what she was getting into.

And William clearly was doing the same with Kate.

(A part of me thinks some of their break ups were circumstances and also I suspect William deep down wanted to see what Kate would do if they broke up )

I don’t think the problem was so much that Charles couldn’t Mary Camilla. My understanding is she did love her first husband.

But that he couldn’t marry someone like Camilla.

I think it’s very likely he did try to make the marriage work.

But the two of them barely knew each other and had a huge age and temperament difference. Camilla may have nothing to do with why it didn’t work,

I am a firm believer that there isn’t one person there can be many one can make a relationship.

It’s very possible if Charles had been given more lead way without the stupid virgin bride stuff ( and I say this as a religious person) that he would have married a woman closer to his age with some life experience that he knew well like his brother

 

[allezfred]

I would like to understand why some protesters were arrested.

Because there was a “suspicion” that they could potentially cause a breach of the peace. Those are the words straight from the horses mouth:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654763991749611521

 

[puglover]

I thought it was the Queen Mother, who was very close to Charles, and Mountbatten who were opposed, at least in the beginning, to Camilla, and they had a lot of influence on him. I have been reading and watching a lot of the royal watchers and they all seem to adore Camilla. They say when looking at the seating for a head table, everyone hopes to be seated beside her as she is bright, knowledgeable and very witty. One point made time and again is that she is truly in this for one reason alone and that is the love of Charles. They all feel she has a wonderful calming affect on Charles who is more high strung.

Purely gossip but one whose name was not included in the invitations to the coronation was Lady Pamela Hicks. At 94 years old she is the cousin of Prince Philip, daughter of Lord Mountbatten, and one of the last surviving bridesmaids for Queen Elizabeth II and her lady-in-waiting. Several of the commentators felt her father's position against Charles marrying Camilla in the first place may have played a role in her absent invitation.

 

[Private Citizen]

I agree that we deserve clarity on what gave rise to the suspicion. Given the number of other highly visible protests that did not result in arrest, I’m not going to cry foul just yet. There may be valid reasons not being released for security / copycat reasons. Now that the event is over, the police do need to provide further detail on why these specific protesters were arrested.

 

[SkateSand]

Because there was a “suspicion” that they could potentially cause a breach of the peace. Those are the words straight from the horses mouth:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654763991749611521

That's pretty horrifying. Feels like the Minority Report film.

 

[Bunny Hop]

Posting in here so as not to rain on anyone’s parade, but this is very disturbing police behaviour in a democracy.

King Charles officially crowned in Westminster Abbey ceremony

Leo Varadkar expresses hope king will visit Ireland ‘in due course’

www.irishtimes.com

Guess they never repealed all those anti-terrorism laws that were once used against suspected IRA members. The same ones that allowed (allows?) them to hold suspects for days without recourse to legal advice or reviewing holding them in custody.

 

[Vagabond]

This was Anne’s Primary Job for the Coronation ??

And people were wondering in the other thread why she wasn't sitting in the front row.

 

[becca]

Honestly I can see the benefits from a unity purpose of a monarchy.

But I find it weird for independent countries half way across the world have an absent king.

 

[Private Citizen]

Guess they never repealed all those anti-terrorism laws that were once used against suspected IRA members. The same ones that allowed (allows?) them to hold suspects for days without recourse to legal advice or reviewing holding them in custody.

I'm taking this off-topic (sorry), but the government passed new laws to stop some of the extremely disruptive protests, e.g., Just Stop Oil, that were battering an already battered economy by cutting off key transport routes.

The fact sheet is here:

Public Order Bill: factsheet

www.gov.uk

I went through the Metropolitan Police Twitter, and those who were arrested were in possession of materials that contravene the law, e.g., lock-on devices. There is a logical and legal explanation as to why some protestors were arrested, and many others (with f*ck the monarchy, not my king, etc.) signs were able to stand protesting for hours.

This discussion should probably move to the UK politics thread if people want to continue it.

 

[Bunny Hop]

Thanks for clarification.

 

[taf2002]

And people were wondering in the other thread why she wasn't sitting in the front row.

She was. Her red feather blocked Harry's view in some photos. He was in the 3rd row directly behind.

I was surprised to see how tall Lady Louise was & how grown-up she looks.

Sorry but I didn't find Louis's antics charming or funny despite all the articles. At age 5 he should have been taught to cover his yawns but IMO he was much too young to be in the abbey at all.

 

[Winnipeg]

I think it is pretty hard to be too upset at a 5 year old yawning during a 2 hour long serious service.

I noticed the plume in Anne's hat too and wondered if that was on purpose due to Harry's current placement in the RF. I think it is a tad rude for someone to wear a really tall hat that blocks the person sitting behind's view. The same thing happened at the Academy Award ceremonies. Some woman was wearing a HUGE white hat and too bad for the person behind her.

Sad that Harry left so soon after the coronation and did not visit his family. They must be really on the outs so to speak. On the other hand maybe the coronation is not the time because there is so much media and activity surrounding it. Also, Harry was not kind to Camilla in his book and during the Oprah interview.

 

[marbri]

I think it is pretty hard to be too upset at a 5 year old yawning during a 2 hour long serious service.

I noticed the plume in Anne's hat too and wondered if that was on purpose due to Harry's current placement in the RF. I think it is a tad rude for someone to wear a really tall hat that blocks the person sitting behind's view. The same thing happened at the Academy Award ceremonies. Some woman was wearing a HUGE white hat and too bad for the person behind her.

Sad that Harry left so soon after the coronation and did not visit his family. They must be really on the outs so to speak. On the other hand maybe the coronation is not the time because there is so much media and activity surrounding it. Also, Harry was not kind to Camilla in his book and during the Oprah interview.

I mean aren't big hats the norm for royal events? To be expected really.

 

[Badams]

Charles looks so uncomfortable and burdened by that crown.

As it should be. That's the makings of a good leader, in my opinion.

 

[JasperBoy]

I noticed the plume in Anne's hat too and wondered if that was on purpose due to Harry's current placement in the RF. I think it is a tad rude for someone to wear a really tall hat that blocks the person sitting behind's view. The same thing happened at the Academy Award ceremonies. Some woman was wearing a HUGE white hat and too bad for the person behind her.

Sad that Harry left so soon after the coronation and did not visit his family. They must be really on the outs so to speak. On the other hand maybe the coronation is not the time because there is so much media and activity surrounding it. Also, Harry was not kind to Camilla in his book and during the Oprah interview.

Anne's hat was part of her Colonel's uniform. She was correct to wear it in the Abbey.

I have read that Harry's reason for his quick return to the US was to be with Archie on his 4th birthday. As good a reason as any.

 

[puglover]

From what I understand Anne was in full uniform. She had a very prestigious role as "Colonel of the Blue and Royals in the Household Cavalry". This person is also called "Gold Stick" and are the closest protection officer. She was on horseback immediately behind the royal carriage. When asked about it, she said she was thrilled to do it , not the least of reasons that it solved the whole question of the dress. Not Anne's fault but it would seem someone should have considered the issue with the plume on the hat for whoever sat there.

 

[marbri]

Better to sit behind that blessed red feather than behind Katy Perry's hat. And I reckon everyone should be thanking Lady Louise and her hat hiding Prince Andrew from certain angles

 

[puglover]

Better to sit behind that blessed red feather than behind Katy Perry's hat. And I reckon everyone should be thanking Lady Louise and her hat hiding Prince Andrew from certain angles

I absolutely loved the dress and hat Lady Louise wore. Quietly growing up away from the spotlight for the most part, I thought she looked so age appropriate and eye-catching. Princess Charlotte also looked so charming. I have great hope for this next generation of royals.

 

[PRlady]

Uh, who’s Lady Louise?

 

[Karen-W]

Uh, who’s Lady Louise?

The daughter of Prince Edward & Sophie, newly minted Duke & Duchess of Edinburgh.

 

[Vagabond]

Not Anne's fault but it would seem someone should have considered the issue with the plume on the hat for whoever sat there.

I am sure that someone did consider the issue very carefully before deciding what Anne should wear and who should be assigned the seat directly behind her.

 

[puglover]

The daughter of Prince Edward & Sophie, newly minted Duke & Duchess of Edinburgh.

Yes, she is 19 years old now but was born very prematurely due to placental abruption. She also had esotropia, an eye condition that caused one of her eyes to turn in. The first surgery was not successful but the second one was. She shares the Windsors great love of horses and has taken a keen interest in her grandfathers sport of carriage driving. He left his green wagon and two horses to her.

 

[canbelto]

I think people are also built of different stuff. Queen Eliz found it easy to stay happily married to Philip despite him having occasional affairs (rumored he loved ballerinas). She probably thought Charles and Diana could be happy with a similar arrangement.

 

[Karen-W]

I think people are also built of different stuff. Queen Eliz found it easy to stay happily married to Philip despite him having occasional affairs (rumored he loved ballerinas). She probably thought Charles and Diana could be happy with a similar arrangement.

She also fell in love with Philip when she was quite young, and she was of a different generation, not to mention, divorce was NEVER an option for the woman who was Supreme Governor of the Church of England. It was a totally different dynamic between Elizabeth and Philip than what existed for Charles and Diana.

It's rather interesting to note that Philip also came from a broken home (though his parents never divorced, they led very separate lives), but he'd had the time to grow up and discover who HE was and live life in ways that 19-year-old Diana certainly hadn't before marriage. All in all, Charles and Diana were just a terribly matched pair and I can't imagine them ever marrying under any other circumstances but the ones they found themselves in back in 1980-81.

 

[canbelto]

Just saw clips of the coronation concert. Charlotte is adorable.

 

[ballettmaus]

Just saw clips of the coronation concert. Charlotte is adorable.

Now that she's a little older, I'm under the impression that she really enjoys these kind of events in the sense that she loves the dresses and the carriages etc. Kind of like other girls her age play princess, she gets to be one. (Although, I'm sure she finds the ceremonies just as boring as a child her age would (and a number of adults probably do as well)).

Louis looked bored out of his mind. Understandable.

 

[Jenny]

I have read that Harry's reason for his quick return to the US was to be with Archie on his 4th birthday. As good a reason as any.

Doubtful. If he was on the flight out of Heathrow as reported, then he would have arrived around 6 or 7 pm LA time, then still had to get to the Santa Barbara area, about an hour and a half away (unless he took a helicopter lol, you never know), arriving hom close to 9 pm. If there was a birthday party it would have been long over, and Archie would probaby have been in bed.

Does get him there for first thing Sunday morning though, if they chose to make that the big day to celebrate Archie's birthday.