Royalty thread #15: A New Era

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Vagabond said:
Is there anything that the King could possibly do that would satisfy you? Be honest.
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I really don't think I post very often about the King. Yes I can't stand Camilla but that will never change & I don't think she loses sleep over it. Please point out my negative posts about Charles. Besides I wasn't specifically posting about his character but just a policy.

Was your post really necessary? Be honest.
 
I feel like in this case Charles is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Traditionalists want to see all the pomp and circumstance and be part of something that had endured for a thousand years and happens once in a generation. The argument made against televising the Queen's coronation 70 years ago was that it would remove some of the mystery, and there are many people who argue that if the royals seem "normal" and just like everybody else, then what is the point of the monarchy? But there are just as many who argue that all of the pomp and circumstance and women dripping in diamonds and tiaras is outdated and out of touch with the way people really live these days, and seems particularly oblivious during the times of financial, political, and social unrest and difficulty we currently find ourselves in. Many complained about the cost of the Queen's funeral, and how it ground London to a stop for days. It's a very fine line to walk, to plan a coronation in these times, and I will be interested to see how they manage it. (And there will be complaints from those who think they didn't do enough, and complaints from those who think they did too much. How to get it just right?)
 
taf2002 said:
I think Charles is making a big mistake with some of his ideas about "stripping down the monarchy". I don't know how true this is but I've been reading that he's considering telling ppl not to wear their fancy robes & for women not to wear tiaras to his coronation. If royals start appearing ordinary & not larger than life fairy tale ppl then folks will start saying why are we funding this lifestyle? Of course some are saying that now.
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The coronation/inauguration of King Willem-Alexander was not a tiara event, and it worked fine. I don't think King Felipe of Spain got super-fancy, either.
 
mattiecat13 said:
My niece's college graduation is on Derby Day. Her school is located in Indiana so I guess the Derby is not a priority for them, like it is in Kentucky. Her dad, who loves the Derby more than any other holiday, is not pleased. Fortunately, the graduation takes place in the morning so we should be home in time for the Run for the Roses. :gallopin1

I'm going to have to tape the Coronation and watch it later.
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Has he been to a college graduation? I wouldn't count on being home before the Run for the Roses.
If he has a smart phone, he should download CBS app and bring ear buds.
 
It’s scheduled to start at 10 a.m. and it is for graduate school which has fewer students. Post time isn’t until close to 7 p.m. so he should be ok.
 
From what I understand, at its centre, this is a Christian service relying on "long standing tradition and christian symbolism". The King is the head of the Church of England or Anglican Church and has been since 1534. In 70 years England and the commonwealth have greatly changed and become much more diverse. Apparently, King Charles wants that made clearly obvious with participation by other religious leaders (prayers, thoughts?) in Westminster Abbey. There has been push back from church officials. The result will likely be a compromise. Be interesting to see exactly what that means.
 
puglover said:
From what I understand, at its centre, this is a Christian service relying on "long standing tradition and christian symbolism". The King is the head of the Church of England or Anglican Church and has been since 1534. In 70 years England and the commonwealth have greatly changed and become much more diverse. Apparently, King Charles wants that made clearly obvious with participation by other religious leaders (prayers, thoughts?) in Westminster Abbey. There has been push back from church officials. The result will likely be a compromise. Be interesting to see exactly what that means.
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More on that - apparently he has quietly removed the title "defender of the faith" from official references, if I'm reading this right.

I think the coronation will tell us a lot about where's he's going with all this - he'll never dissolve the monarchy, but he's already making moves to pare it back, as his mother was doing in recent years as well. I can't compare it to the the last coronation, but from what I've read on the official site they seem to be trying to make it more accessible, inclusive, still with the pomp that a lot of people will be looking for, but definitely more human.
 
attyfan said:
Could he dissolve the monarchy? Wouldn't that require action by Parliament?
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He can't wave a wand and dissolve it but he can be a driving force and I am pretty sure he could make it happen using soft power. (Not that he's going to.)
 
fan said:
what is derby day?
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Basically a horse race. Where pomp and circumstance lasts all freaking day. Big hats, mint julips, betting. For a 2 minute or less race - jockeys slapping the sides of horses to make them run faster and win $$$ for sport.
 
once_upon said:
Basically a horse race. Where pomp and circumstance lasts all freaking day. Big hats, mint julips, betting. For a 2 minute or less race - jockeys slapping the sides of horses to make them run faster and win $$$ for sport.
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It looks like a single day version of Ascot to me, sans BRF members.
 
skatfan said:
It looks like a single day version of Ascot to me, sans BRF members.
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As I understand it, hats appropriate for Ascot (such as the one Audrey Hepburn wore in the Ascot scene in "My Fair Lady") are also proper for the Derby, so I suppose that you are right.
 
There are actually 10 or 11 races on Derby Day at Churchill Downs. The Derby is the penultimate race, I believe.
 
MsZem said:
The coronation/inauguration of King Willem-Alexander was not a tiara event, and it worked fine. I don't think King Felipe of Spain got super-fancy, either.
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Was Felipe's coronation even an event? I seem to remember that he got sworn in in parliament or something but maybe that was something different.
 
They didn’t call it a coronation, it was a ”proclamation.” More like a swearing in, yes. No grand ceremony, no foreign dignitaries.

This blog gives a really interesting overview of the different proclamation/accession/coronation ceremonies for the different monarchies in Europe: http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2013/04/royal-splendor-101-enthronement-outfits.html. It doesn’t cover the most recent ones (new kings in Belgium, Spain, and the Netherlands in the last decade or so), but it gives you an idea. The Brits are the only ones who actually do a full on crowning and anointing and all that.
 
Juan Carlos abdicated amid scandal and has retained the title of King. Under other circumstances, his son's ascension to the throne might have been marked with more pageantry.

Beatrix too abdicated, albeit in very different circumstances and doing exactly as her mother and grandmother had done.
 
Vagabond said:
Apparently so, though perhaps I should have said everything in a PM. I will try PM'ing you later.
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Your PM was offensive. My post made it clear I wasn't criticizing Charles, just that I think the pare down policy may be something that will later bite him in the butt. Sorry I don't worship at the shrine you do.

BTW my posts you quoted are far distant from each other. You did quite a search. Sorry you don't have better things to do with your time.
 
Bunny Hop said:
And elsewhere in the British Isles it caused a huge controversy when Mary, Queen of Scots gave her second husband, Lord Darnley, the title of King.

Taking me back to the days of reading RSSIF. Some people there thought she should be flayed alive for daring to move on with her life.

You will love it. The display of the crown jewels at the Tower of London is very well put together - you go past on a moving walkway so nobody can hog the view (but you can go round as many times as you like). Westminster Abbey can get crowded, but still worth seeing. If you can, get out to Hampton Court Palace - it's not in central London, but out in the suburbs, which gives you a real taste of history.
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I went to London in January and we went to the Tower. Luckily I had been before because half the jewels were not on display since they were getting them restored cleaned fitted etc. for the coronation! I was okay with that since I have seen them but some people were pretty upset. Hopefully they are back for your fall visit!
 
once_upon said:
I'm sorry that I think this needs to be said, but when someone requests for things to go to PM that's where it should be responded to.

I can empathize with frustration, but in my opinion PM is PM.
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Yet another person telling me where & what I should post .
 
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