Royalty thread #15: A New Era

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I guess that is certainly one way of looking at it but a negative one. I do not think anything but positive thoughts were meant by the comment.
 
"Her photos look to me like a professional took them." Not, "They are professional quality," or "They are as good as professionals'" and I interpret that as "A pro took them and they're being passed off as hers."
Wow. Are you looking to be offended on Kate's behalf? I thought I was complimenting her. I guess I have eville motives for anything RF.
 
Wow. Are you looking to be offended on Kate's behalf? I thought I was complimenting her. I guess I have eville motives for anything RF.
Given how often you rag on them, I had context for the way I interpreted your post, but since I was wrong about it, I apologize.
 
@kwanfan1818, I don't think I rag on Kate or William. I very seldom mention them at all. Of course you will do a search to disprove this. I admit I rag on Camilla.
 

I like the emphasis on a multi-faith coronation and (for lack of a better word) audience involvement. It’s savvy for sure, but I also think it’s genuine. It’s more modern than I expected of the monarchy.
Ooh, just like when the fiefs swore allegiance to their liege lords. Do the citizens get a choice to swear or not? KC said he was going to pare down the monarchy. IMO he should do away with bows & curseys instead of adding more medieval crap.
 
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Ooh, just like when the fiefs swore allegiance to their liege lords. Do the citizens get a choice to swear or not? KS said he was going to pare down the monarchy. IMO he should do away with bows & curseys instead of adding more medieval crap.
Yeah, I’m not sure about this. I’m not a fan of pledges in general. I guess it’s fine for those who want to pledge allegiance to the king and his heirs but the optics don’t look great.
 
The headline of the article is a bit misleading. Yes, everyone gets a choice.

This "homage of the people" replaces the traditional "homage of peers" where hereditary peers swear allegiance to the new monarch. Instead everyone in the Abbey and watching at home will be invited to pay homage in what Lambeth Palace described as a "chorus of millions".
The order of service will read: "All who so desire, in the Abbey, and elsewhere, say together: I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

I do not plan to join in, but I like the gesture of opening to ”all who desire” v. limiting it to hereditary peers.
 
Swearing allegiance to the king of UK? Only if it did not conflict with my primary allegiance to my own country.
 
Ooh, just like when the fiefs swore allegiance to their liege lords. Do the citizens get a choice to swear or not? KS said he was going to pare down the monarchy. IMO he should do away with bows & curseys instead of adding more medieval crap.
Pledging allegiance is not unique to the UK or the monarchy. Americans pledge allegiance as well.

With that said, pledges of allegiance make me extremely uncomfortable, whether it's allegiance to a country or a person.
 
Why is this kind of discussion allowed here? Could you perhaps open a thread in the politically incorrect forum?
 
I think the whole pomp and circumstances hoopla is over the top, but the pledge of fealty really rubs me the wrong way, especially when included in a Christian (or other religion) ceremony. I guess I never thought how much the "have no gods above me" commandment was a part of my belief system.

I always look reverently at the flag, I sing the national anthem - I have a hard time putting my hand over my heart, but succumb to peer pressure. But I don't think I could swear fealty to a person or head of state.
 
I do think this pledge is unfortunately overshadowing the modernity and inclusiveness of the coronation. I didn't have a bad reaction to it at all: the headline made me :wideeyes:, but once I read the details, I was immediately fine with it. I do think there are millions in the United Kingdom, and possibly in the Commonwealth, who will appreciate being included. And then there are others like me who think "not for me, but it's a nice idea."

In swearing allegiance to the king or queen, you're swearing allegiance to the United Kingdom, with the monarch as representative of the British national identity. At heart I'm a republican, but I've come to appreciate the British monarchy as being a politically neutral, unifying institution in a world that's increasingly polarized and divisive. Charles is looking to make the monarchy even more unifying, and I applaud him for that.
 
Swearing allegiance to the king of UK? Only if it did not conflict with my primary allegiance to my own country.

Canadians are not enamoured with Charles and Camilla.

Don’t count on us to swear fealty. :lol:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/king-charles-coronation-canadian-weak-support-interest-1.6816980
Unless you become naturalized, because, as part of my citizenship oath, I had to swear or affirm to "to be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors."
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/ceremony/oath.html

The Canadian government hasn't updated the reigning monarch to King Charles III, but I suspect those have taken the oath since last September 8 when the news got to Canada to have been instructed with the name of the reigning monarch.

For me, if I were to do it, it would be more renewing my marriage vows.
 
At heart I'm a republican, but I've come to appreciate the British monarchy as being a politically neutral, unifying institution in a world that's increasingly polarized and divisive. Charles is looking to make the monarchy even more unifying, and I applaud him for that.
I feel the same way. Ask me if Australia should be a republic (within the Commonwealth) and I'll give a resounding yes. Ask me if I think Britain should abolish the monarchy, I'll give an equally resounding no for similar reasons to the above.
 
I read today that Camilla is going to be wearing QE2's robe of state. Where's that vomit emoticon?
 
I read today that Camilla is going to be wearing QE2's robe of state.
Well, yes. There are various robes from previous coronations. Presumably, this one is a better fit for her than for Charles, who will be wearing his grandfather's robes.

Where's that vomit emoticon?
Why this should provoke a strong reaction is beyond me. Camilla is the Queen Consort, deal with it.
 
Well, yes. There are various robes from previous coronations. Presumably, this one is a better fit for her than for Charles, who will be wearing his grandfather's robes.


Why this should provoke a strong reaction is beyond me. Camilla is the Queen Consort, deal with it.
Does anyone know if there is a difference between a robe of state for a queen regnant (such as QEII) and one for a queen consort? IMO, re-using robes makes sense, but if there is a difference between ruler's robe and consort's robe, Camilla should use a consort's robe.
 
I think King Charles declared Camilla, Queen Camilla not Camilla Queen Consort.
 
I think King Charles declared Camilla, Queen Camilla not Camilla Queen Consort.
Buckingham Palace has said she will be known as Queen Camilla after the Coronation.

She is still a Queen Consort as she is the spouse of the Monarch

Queen Elizabeth II was Queen Regnant as she was the Monarch

I don't know if there is a difference in the robes of State for a Queen Regnant vs Queen Consort.
 
I think King Charles declared Camilla, Queen Camilla not Camilla Queen Consort.
By definition, she is a queen consort and not queen regnant, just as Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was not referred to as "Elizabeth Queen Consort". Similarly, queens such as Letizia or Maxima are not known as "queen consort" as part of their official titles, but they do not have the same status as Queen Margrethe.
 
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