Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

[Lanie]

Yes, if Ross finished third I’d totally get the decision, but the silver medalist...

 

[becca]

If I'm not mistaken though, didn't Polina bomb her FS at JGPF that year?

No she didn't have a strong short but she landed 7 triples. The top three was Sotskova, Serafina, Med. It was a strong competition. I looked at the protocols and the TES Polina was putting out and thought she had a shot at the Olympics.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpf1314/gpf1314_JuniorLadies_FS_Scores.pdf

62.95 TES in junior field was impressive notice she was second in the free. People's main argument was PCS but Polina shot up when she went to Seniors.

Arguing body of work can be very unfair to younger skaters.

 

[thvu]

I disagree with the 15-20 range placement for Vincent. I would take a bet on it.

I'm just saying it's a realistic possibility. International judges are going to be way stingier with Zhou on GOE and PCS. A skate full of underrotations would bury him.

 

[Roxanne]

I'm just waiting to see what the Worlds team is.

 

[thvu]

The sport is a total sham.

Care to elaborate?

 

[oleada]

The sport is a total sham.

The criteria was published well in advance of US Nationals. Nationals is not the only criteria for selection and all the skaters were aware.

 

[kwanette]

So Nats mean nothing now? I don’t think it’s justified sending Adam over Ross. I always thought the body of work thing was about if someone really had a bad night but was phenomenal otherwise ir Nathan had a rough outing, he would still be selected. And Ashley deserved to go in 2014. But ugh.

I’m not even a Ross Uber. This just makes me upset for him.

Nationals is "part" of the criteria......And the "body of work thing" doesn't talk about being phenomenal.It lists events, etc.

 

[barbarafan]

So Nats mean nothing now? I don’t think it’s justified sending Adam over Ross. I always thought the body of work thing was about if someone really had a bad night but was phenomenal otherwise ir Nathan had a rough outing, he would still be selected. And Ashley deserved to go in 2014. But ugh.

I’m not even a Ross Uber. This just makes me upset for him.

I agree. Nationals do mean nothing...If Ashley's and Tennell's PCS were fudged to get this result then there is a huge problem in US with judges and selection panel. JUst because current president is a crook and lies like a rug does not mean it is ok to move this into sport. No wonder figure-skating is losing it's popularity.

 

[smarts1]

Nationals is "part" of the criteria......And the "body of work thing" doesn't talk about being phenomenal.It lists events, etc.

It is interesting though how this "body of work thing" is used by different federations. A lot of people thought Wakaba could have possibly been on the Olympic team over Kaori based on the body of work criteria but ultimately the JSF went with Nationals results over other criteria. Seems to be the opposite here.

 

[taf2002]

there is no prescedence for bumping the silver medalist. I was gutted for adam but he is not more reliable than ross. this is shameful.

 

[snoopy]

Yes, this is my opinion as well. Rippon's "body of work" is better than Miner's but still mediocre.

Using this as a benchmark (better but mediocre) is worse. Body of work is body of work. If you add "but it has to be THIS much better a BOW", you adding another layer to it (and probably making it more subjective).

BOW between the skaters in question, period, is much cleaner.

 

[thvu]

It is interesting though how this "body of work thing" is used by different federations. A lot of people thought Wakaba could have possibly been on the Olympic team over Kaori based on the body of work criteria but ultimately the JSF went with Nationals results over other criteria. Seems to be the opposite here.

The JSF also "shared the wealth" in terms of assignments. Curious to see what USFS does with the Men.

 

[Roxanne]

It is interesting though how this "body of work thing" is used by different federations. A lot of people thought Wakaba could have possibly been on the Olympic team over Kaori based on the body of work criteria but ultimately the JSF went with Nationals results over other criteria. Seems to be the opposite here.

Kaori skated back-to-back clean competitions while Wakaba can't get through a free skate without popping. And her bombing at Worlds is a big reason why Japan only has two spots in the first place. I love her, but she isn't the best at skating well under pressure. JSF's decision made total sense.

 

[her grace]

Next time, just announce the three byes to the Olympics before Nationals. What a farce.

That's something that USFS could consider for the future. If body of work is getting a skater there, just announce before nationals that e.g., Chen and Rippon have earned their spots and one spot is up for grabs.

 

[Vash01]

Nationals is "part" of the criteria......And the "body of work thing" doesn't talk about being phenomenal.It lists events, etc.

I would like the Usfsa to publish weight put on each criterion, e.g. They could list nationals at 50 percent, GP medal 10 percent, GPF medal 15 percent, and so on (I just picked numbers out of the air). This is like a performance review at work. The criteria are well defined. The Usfsa needs to publish the percentages at the start of each season, then publish the numbers for each skater in question. It is not necessary to do this for All the skaters obviously. That would be a waste of time.

 

[rfisher]

Ross is the Rodney Dangerfield of figure skating. Bless him

 

[kwanette]

I would like the Usfsa to publish weight put on each criterion, e.g. They could list nationals at 50 percent, GP medal 10 percent, GPF medal 15 percent, and so on (I just picked numbers out of the air). This is like a performance review at work. The criteria are well defined. The Usfsa needs to publish the percentages at the start of each season, then publish the numbers for each skater in question. It is not necessary to do this for All the skaters obviously. That would be a waste of time.

That would be a good idea..and perhaps it will be done..But, for now the criteria that was set..is in place.

 

[Vash01]

I say that because it’s also quite possible Zhou will be < and << into the 15-20 range.

If he ur the triples he will be, but we are talking quads here. He is no worse than Boyang Jin was couple years ago and Jin won the world bronze that year (to my disliking).

 

[taf2002]

That's something that USFS could consider for the future. If body of work is getting a skater there, just announce before nationals that e.g., Chen and Rippon have earned their spots and one spot is up for grabs.

Terrible idea imo. would those 2 even show up at nats? would Nathan have done quads or singles if he wasn't worrying about his spot?

 

[dawnie]

Why do all of your arguments constantly revolve around the male skaters you like? You lay into Zhou like you originally laid into Chen for beating your favourite skaters. At least now you have to bite your tongue about Chen because he’s proved himself.

Who says Jason doesn’t have the 3A?? He’s been struggling with it in competition but he hasn’t “lost” it.

I have my own theory on misskarne's constant rants about certain skaters she doesn't like but I will keep that to myself...

 

[barbarafan]

But Russia flat-out manipulates its nationals results to make sure the correct people medal. Sotskova had an incredibly-nervy FS, with lots of cheated jumps. But they weren't called and her PCS marks were in the 9s. They want her on the Euros team, which she deserves based on body of work, and they give her the marks to make sure that happens. They avoid controversy by fixing the results. Unfortunately for Voronov, Russia didn't want to fix the results in his favor so no body of work can save him.

Like what they did in the case of Ashley. This is no longer 6.00 where you put down the place you want a skater to be in.

 

[Seerek]

A lot of people thought Wakaba could have possibly been on the Olympic team over Kaori based on the body of work criteria but ultimately the JSF went with Nationals results over other criteria. Seems to be the opposite here.

To be fair to Kaori, she at least fulfilled one of the JSF Olympic qualifying criteria before nationals (Top 2 season World Ranking) and was reasonably close in others (i.e. 3rd Season Best).

 

[babayaga]

To those who disagree with this decision:

Do you disagree with how the selection committee applied the published criteria, or disagree with the published criteria entirely?

Well, I think it would be more fair if that just announced before the competition that the team is going to be a combination of Chen, Rippon, Brown, and Zhou, and tell the rest of the skaters they participate in Nationals but not in the Olympic selection.

 

[Vash01]

That's something that USFS could consider for the future. If body of work is getting a skater there, just announce before nationals that e.g., Chen and Rippon have earned their spots and one spot is up for grabs.

This is why I want to see the numbers- percent weight on every component of the criteria- at the start of each season. No need to announce the selections ahead of time, not even Nathan's or the Kneriems in pairs ( we knew they would be selected).

 

[jlai]

That's something that USFS could consider for the future. If body of work is getting a skater there, just announce before nationals that e.g., Chen and Rippon have earned their spots and one spot is up for grabs.

Sounds like a rational idea. Bad for national ticket sales though.

Maybe bonus points for those with better record? Like Rippon starts off with a ten point bonus and Chen starts with 30 before the sp

 

[Habs]

Terrible idea imo. would those 2 even show up at nats? would Nathan have done quads or singles if he wasn't worrying about his spot?

I don’t disagree with you, but I also don’t think Nathan was worrying about his spot.

 

[oleada]

Kaori skated back-to-back clean competitions while Wakaba can't get through a free skate without popping. And her bombing at Worlds is a big reason why Japan only has two spots in the first place. I love her, but she isn't the best at skating well under pressure. JSF's decision made total sense.

And it’s not like Kaori doesn’t have a solid international seasons behind her. Her international results are much stronger than Miner’s in the past two seasons (and possibly ever). As a junior, she medaled at the JGPF and Junior Worlds and was the Japanese Junior Champion for 2017. In her first senior season, she won the Asian Trophy, was 4th at the US Classic, and was 2nd and 5th at her GP events. Her seasons’s best score is 8th in the world. I prefer Wakaba and wish she were at the Olympics, but it’s not the same situation as Miner at all.

 

[Tavi]

there is no prescedence for bumping the silver medalist. I was gutted for adam but he is not more reliable than ross. this is shameful.

I think you might want to look at their 2017 international competition results and scores this past year, which is what counts for this selection. I’m not a huge Adam fan, but his international SB score is 260+ and Ross’s is about 230+. Adam also has 2 silvers on the GP and made the GPF, while Ross placed 6th at his only GP.

 

[jlai]

This is why I want to see the numbers- percent weight on every component of the criteria- at the start of each season. No need to announce the selections ahead of time, not even Nathan's or the Kneriems in pairs ( we knew they would be selected).

I think if the criteria are close or unclear they would go with national finish which is what they did with the ladies. That way they don't have to figure out percentages or weigh anything.

The reason they bump Miner is that there is no percentages to weigh cause he has no bow. It is an open shut case for him on bow

 

[Yazmeen]

What actually ticks me off right now is that, of course, Christine "it's all about ME" Brennan has to scoop the result before the official announcement for her own ego. Beeyotch...