Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

Yes, as I recall you were thrilled in 2010 when Evan Lysacek maximized his potential by winning the Olympic gold medal :rofl:
He didn’t max his potential. He could do quads but left them out! He was regress for success which doesn’t deserve any respect!
 
In other words, Asians' "instinctive drive" is matched by plenty of non-Asians working their butts off in skating.
I'd actually make the argument that "instinctive drive" magically bestowed by parental pressure doesn't exist. Parents can pressure their kids to accept patience, focus, and hard work, but that competitive killer instinct is innate. I've seen TONS of tiger parents try to browbeat their kids to paper perfection. But still, very few of those kids have that killer instinct to be the absolute best, come hell or high water. The rest are just trying to survive the browbeatings...
 
I do wonder what the USFSA would have done if Nathan Chen had been too sick to skate and everything else had played out the same. Similarly, what would have happened if Chen had skated as he did earlier this season and wound up with a Total Score lower than Miner's? Would they really have chosen to send Rippon to the Olympics instead of the National Champion?
 
He's NEVER competed a program like this. How many times has he even done a program like this in practice?

Ross has skated plenty of rousing performances and clean programs. We would have to ask Ross and his coaches about the number of programs he's done like this in practice. I don't see any reason to believe he doesn't skate clean practices with quads. He wasn't even over-excited when he landed the quad in his fp. As far as Ross never competing a program like this, he actually has done so, to different music but wearing a similar costume. I really enjoy Ross' skating, and I've never forgotten this performance (with quad salchow):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6ViXupBUc bronze medal (as Javi Fernandez tanked)
And at 2011 NHK another bronze medal performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCr6Dx0vAWI
2011 fp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hOgpzmj4Lc
2017 sp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4xvpCuR9ug
2018 sp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQiSzKF9M8s
2018 fp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_roGSuAbbJo

I don't think Ross's silver medal winning showing at Nationals should be described as 'a fluke.' It's the result of years of hard work and dedication. Ross skated two great sp performances at Nationals three years running. Although he ran into trouble in his fp the prior two years, this year he slam-dunked the fp. And he deserves to at least be respected, if he's not going to be rewarded with an Olympic assignment. Being made 2nd alternate for Worlds does not show Ross any respect for his outstanding performances at Nationals. But it's par for the course re how USFS operates. And yes, decision-making is often tough and will usually never please everyone. However, USFS has a way of boxing themselves into a corner and making things rougher than is absolutely necessary.

It was inelegant and unkind of Auxier at the presser to essentially throw Ross Miner under the bus with his comments. And similar to 2014 ladies decision, it should have been Adam vs Vincent, not Adam vs Ross (for the ladies in 2014, it should have been Ashley vs. Polina, not Ashley vs Mirai). It's rather ineffectual the way Auxier couldn't remember what the criteria had been to support Vincent's inclusion on the team, without pausing and grabbing papers to read from! :rolleyes: And he had no answer prepared for Brennan's question about how this selection process affects the viability and legitimacy of U.S. Nationals competition.

Prior to Nationals most fans felt that Nathan, Adam and Jason would make the Olympic team, with Vincent and Max having spoiler possibility, and Grant & Ross the wild cards. If Vincent had performed better on the GP, then he may have been more favored, especially in view of Jason not placing on the podium at his second GP where he was being looked at as a possible winner. So, the Nationals sp results are what US fed seemed to anticipate happening again in the fp, as well as many fans. But never tempt the Skate Gods. :eek: :drama:

I love both of Ross' programs this season. I don't think he's usually been treated with a great deal of respect by international judges (particularly at his two Worlds appearances) but that's not a reflection on Ross' skating skills and his tremendous talent. To boot, Ross is a classy guy -- he seems so sweet and fun to be around. And as Adam tweeted:
https://twitter.com/Adaripp/status/950376713577365504

The Shibs are also good friends of Ross. They must have been so happy for him on January 6, and then gutted for him on January 7, and then they skated their FD some hours later. The Shibs tweeted after their Olympic selection, "What we've been through on our journey only makes us stronger."

I'm pulling for Ross at 4CCs. And then I'm hoping the best for TeamUSA at the Olympics. I wonder if Adam might decide not to go to Worlds, since this is his final season? Will Jason be ready? Is Jason injured or is his confidence affected? Jason is generally such a strong, hungry competitor. I believe the quad-mania is unfortunately the cause of so much trouble for the sport -- so many complications, injuries, and performance imbalances. Not to mention messy programs with quad attempts. Even Hanyu and Javi have had trouble on average putting two clean performances together in competition.
 
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I'm not saying every time, but maybe skate somewhere near this level even one other time recently Ross?

I believe it's figure skating's antiquated competitive structure that makes it difficult for talented skaters like Ross to reach their full potential. There's only a very narrow window of opportunity available in which skaters are required to shine on a dime and also have luck in order to break through in a substantial way. And this is also complicated by the fact that careers can end or be interrupted and side-tracked due to injury. Unfortunately, countries such as Japan and the U.S. who have great depth in the men's division can only send a maximum of 3 skaters to Worlds. There are skaters from some countries with less depth who get to attend Worlds year after year, even despite some of these skaters not being as talented as skaters from countries with greater depth, who have to stay home. All skaters with talent and potential need to compete at major competitions in order to fully develop their talent, gain invaluable international competitive experience, and build recognition and reputation with ISU judges. Multiple competition opportunities also help skaters gain confidence and momentum. Ross was only assigned one GP, so he went into the season handicapped from the start. He had announced that it was his final season, which also likely had some judges viewing him dismissively.

I don't think it's quite accurate or fair to claim that Ross is necessarily more inconsistent as a skater than a lot of the top men with quads who 'for the love of quads' rarely manage to string together two clean performances in competitions. The scoring system and how skaters are viewed is extremely political, and always about, 'What have you done lately?' rather than, 'How much can you improve if given sufficient opportunities and fairer judging?' The ISU judges' scores and placements never tell the whole story, especially not across competitions. Figure skating is a flawed sport in need of well thought out changes, and new people at the top who will listen, carefully analyze and enact judicious change for the right reasons. The sport needs people with vision and leadership skills. It's still being run like a Mom-Pop organization with too much influence over decision-making by speed-skaters who don't understand much about the sport, much less about it's history.
 
I know lots of you think the BOW criteria are unclear and that you want weights and stuff and this is a pr nightmare for the federation. But really, it was done a lot clearer than 4 years ago and the complaints don't stop. The athletes know the criteria going in. Even if they add weights I don't think fans will be happy as long as a podium finisher is left off the team. Also the public doesn't like the idea of 'decision in the back room', and laying things out and rewriting criteria is just their way to insert control and feel better about the process.

But I don't think adding weights will stop complaints. Look we are now using code of points and yet the complaints are now focusing on how the goes are given like candy and level calls and sometimes the numbers come out wrong.

As a number cruncher at work, I will be the first to tell you that having numbers assigned gives people the appearance of legitimate evaluation and comfort. But qualitative research is just as valid as quantitative but people think having numbers makes things more legit so here we go. For instance in a questionnaire we are told to evaluate something on a scale from 1-5. We assign numbers to it but behind the numbers is still a subjective opinion.

The thing is that you don't need numbers to know Nathan should be on the Olympic team. For the other guys who are close in BOW, even having numbers won't make the bickering go away.

This is really more about the public's comfort than anything.
 
Well, I'm looking forward to this season's Reader's Choice Skater of the Year Award voting. Ross Miner will get my votes! If Nathan wins OGM, he may end up first in the voting for the second straight year. But I think Ross will deserve a lot of recognition and most of the votes too for being the only top male skater at 2018 U.S. Nationals to skate two clean and rousing performances.

Also, there's no way Ross shouldn't win PSA's award for Best Male Performance at 2018 Nationals! Most of all it's the disrespect toward Ross that is rankling people @jlai. USFS was overly dismissive of Ross in their announcement.
 
Unfortunately, countries such as Japan and the U.S. who have great depth in the men's division can only send a maximum of 3 skaters to Worlds.

Whatever about the U.S., Japan does not currently have great depth in the men's division. It's fortunate that they have Hanyu and Uno, but I don't think the domestic field in men's singles is comparable to the U.S. right now.
 
After the controversies that have gone on with team selection the last 5 years, personally I think USFS should either go back to top 3 at Nationals = the team, OR they should replace the current tier/committee process with some type of much more numerically based or otherwise clearer system.

The tier criteria concept sounded reasonable at first, but as @kwanfan1818 argued last year, there’s no mathematical weighting of the tiers and so you don’t know how much any particular event is “worth.” The “value” of the tier events is determined solely by the committee, and that valuation isn’t shared with others, so really, why even publish it?

Also, when you think about the history of USFS’s “interventions” in team selection, i.e., instances when they didn’t go top 3, it seems to me the outcome record is mixed, at best. In general, I don’t feel like the interventions have really yielded much. The one case where it really did inarguably pay off was putting Kerrigan on the Oly team in 1994. Aside from that, I can’t think of an instance where an intervention definitely led to a medal that we wouldn’t have otherwise won. (If I’ve forgotten something, though, let me know.)

ETA: I do think federations absolutely need to have the right to intervene in truly unique situations, like Kerrigan in 1994 or Hanyu this year. Outside of those very rare situations, though, I’m increasingly inclined to just have it play out at Natls. There will always be heartbreak, but at least that way, the athletes are (mostly) in control of what happens.
 
I think there is merit to a few ideas:

1) Announcing the Olympic team before US Nationals.

2) The USFSA reimburses skaters that medal at Nationals but do not get an Olympic birth for the cost of travel to Nationals, including accompanying coaching, if the USFSA wants to continue giving the perception US Nationals is relevant.*

* It has long been generally accepted that scores at US Nationals are inflated and do not represent what a skater can expect at an international competition. Moreover, this happens because it is not in the interest of National Federations to underscore their own skaters but it is potentially beneficial to overscore their own skaters.
 
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Personally, I think selection was largely based on what would be the best chance for the US to win a team medal. A Rippon short program/Chen free skate appears to be the best combination for US men, since you don't want to wear Chen out before the men's event by making him do both.
 
Personally, I think selection was largely based on what would be the best chance for the US to win a team medal. A Rippon short program/Chen free skate appears to be the best combination for US men, since you don't want to wear Chen out before the men's event by making him do both.

No way. If anything, I'm pretty sure Chen's camp wouldn't want him doing two programs and they'd much prefer him in the short. It's better for the US anyways, as there is more potential for a spread in the short with 10 competitors rather than the 5 in the long.

Anyways, with a Russia, Canada, USA, China, and Japan final (my prediction), I don't know that Rippon does anything more beneficial to team USA than Vincent Zhou.

ETA- Zhou's Cup of China free skate score is only a point behind Rippon's two regular-season Grand Prix scores. He's also 2-0 head-to-head versus Rippon this season.
 
Ross has skated plenty of rousing performances and clean programs.
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I don't think Ross's silver medal winning showing at Nationals should be described as 'a fluke.' It's the result of years of hard work and dedication. Ross skated two great sp performances at Nationals three years running. Although he ran into trouble in his fp the prior two years, this year he slam-dunked the fp. And he deserves to at least be respected, if he's not going to be rewarded with an Olympic assignment. Being made 2nd alternate for Worlds does not show Ross any respect for his outstanding performances at Nationals. But it's par for the course re how USFS operates. And yes, decision-making is often tough and will usually never please everyone. However, USFS has a way of boxing themselves into a corner and making things rougher than is absolutely necessary.

It was inelegant and unkind of Auxier at the presser to essentially throw Ross Miner under the bus with his comments. And similar to 2014 ladies decision, it should have been Adam vs Vincent, not Adam vs Ross (for the ladies in 2014, it should have been Ashley vs. Polina, not Ashley vs Mirai). It's rather ineffectual the way Auxier couldn't remember what the criteria had been to support Vincent's inclusion on the team, without pausing and grabbing papers to read from! :rolleyes: And he had no answer prepared for Brennan's question about how this selection process affects the viability and legitimacy of U.S. Nationals competition.

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I love both of Ross' programs this season. I don't think he's usually been treated with a great deal of respect by international judges (particularly at his two Worlds appearances) but that's not a reflection on Ross' skating skills and his tremendous talent. To boot, Ross is a classy guy -- he seems so sweet and fun to be around. And as Adam tweeted:
https://twitter.com/Adaripp/status/950376713577365504
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I'm pulling for Ross at 4CCs. And then I'm hoping the best for TeamUSA at the Olympics. I wonder if Adam might decide not to go to Worlds, since this is his final season? Will Jason be ready? Is Jason injured or is his confidence affected? Jason is generally such a strong, hungry competitor. I believe the quad-mania is unfortunately the cause of so much trouble for the sport -- so many complications, injuries, and performance imbalances. Not to mention messy programs with quad attempts. Even Hanyu and Javi have had trouble on average putting two clean performances together in competition.

I don't think I've seen -- anywhere -- any suggestion that Ross is not a great guy. However, he has consistently not been a great international competitor in the recent seasons. That doesn't make him any less of a great guy. He's gotten regular opportunities to compete internationally, paid by USFSA. They certainly gave him every opportunity to show his strength, and for whatever reasons, he didn't much deliver. Deciding that he's more appropriate for second alternate to Olympics and Worlds behind Brown, who has a substantially stronger record internationally, seems rational enough to me. Maybe Ross will go to 4CC and skate another blinder and end up on the podium. If he had delivered better than these other guys at his international assignments, we wouldn't be having this conversation. If international judges don't think a whole lot of his skating, it is what it is.
 
I know lots of you think the BOW criteria are unclear and that you want weights and stuff and this is a pr nightmare for the federation. But really, it was done a lot clearer than 4 years ago and the complaints don't stop. The athletes know the criteria going in. Even if they add weights I don't think fans will be happy as long as a podium finisher is left off the team. Also the public doesn't like the idea of 'decision in the back room', and laying things out and rewriting criteria is just their way to insert control and feel better about the process.

But I don't think adding weights will stop complaints. Look we are now using code of points and yet the complaints are now focusing on how the goes are given like candy and level calls and sometimes the numbers come out wrong.

As a number cruncher at work, I will be the first to tell you that having numbers assigned gives people the appearance of legitimate evaluation and comfort. But qualitative research is just as valid as quantitative but people think having numbers makes things more legit so here we go. For instance in a questionnaire we are told to evaluate something on a scale from 1-5. We assign numbers to it but behind the numbers is still a subjective opinion.

The thing is that you don't need numbers to know Nathan should be on the Olympic team. For the other guys who are close in BOW, even having numbers won't make the bickering go away.

This is really more about the public's comfort than anything.

I disagree. As an engineer I like to see numbers. There still are a few judgment calls, but well defined criteria are always better than fudged ones, like the current BOW.

There is no argument about Nathan, but when two or three skaters that are close in results and records over whatever length of time they are considering, the numbers and weights do matter. People do understand numbers better than something subjective. I believe that is part of the reason the IJS was put in. Nothing will stop bickering by fans but it is still an improvement over what we had earlier. Progress should not be avoided just because it won't satisfy 100 percent of the population.
 
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I realize that this is a complimentary stereotype and not a nasty one, but it's wrong nevertheless.

Not to mention the whole model minority thing is used as a tool to attack other ethnic/racial minority groups and though it supposed to be complimentary, it also has its limits and is used to excuse the late of promotions among professional class Asian-Americans. There has been literature on this subject as more Asian-Americans are becoming more vocal.
 
I'm going to be blunt here: regarding the concern over the public perception of figure skating and USFS sinking lower over the Adam/Ross decision, I've been reading a lot of skating-related articles in the past few days and the public's attention and anger is FAR more focused on the director and cast of "I, Tonya" bringing Tonya Harding to the Golden Globes. The majority reaction has been WAY negative, including on Allison Janney's acceptance speech calling out Tonya as though she should be praised. And before anyone goes off, yes, Tonya was abused by her mother and ex, but the public comments generally focus on it being wrong to celebrate a woman who had involvement (at any level) in an attack on another woman. Not exactly the smartest thing to do at a ceremony that had a major female emphasis on stopping abuse against women.

Let's be honest here: the people who really care and are up in arms about the men's team decision are fans like us, not the general public. Yes, it was more major 4 years ago with Ashley, but the every 4-year skating fan tends to also forget (or ignore) that there are disciplines beside the glamorous ladies.

In addition, please stop trying to claim that those of us who agree with the decision are not fans of or supportive of Ross. He's a favorite of mine; but I still think they made the correct decision for the sake of the team event and putting the best and most reliable skaters out there. And as for Samuel Auxier "picking on" poor Ross with his explanation, he was just trying to be VERY open about why they made that decision in face of the debacle with Wagner/Nagasu 4 years ago (including admitting the lopsided vote this year to make the point crystal clear). Yes, it wasn't flattering to Ross, but I guarantee if he hadn't done it the public reaction could have been worse. Not to mention fans here would be screaming because he didn't fully explain why the decision was made.
 
You can't want a detailed explanation as to why Ross was passed over and not get that sort of report. It may have sounded harsh, but you have to expect that if you want to know the reason. Auxier didn't really say anything that was untruthful. The execution could have been handled with kid gloves, but it wouldn't have driven home the point as hard.
 
I personally wouldn't switch over to a Total Scores achieved over "X" competitions methodology in determining berths, after seeing what happened Spain's ice dance selection.
 
As with life in general, the trope of skating being full of hard working ambitious Asians focuses on the usual suspects of Chinese, Japanese and Korean decent for the stereotype. Not all Asian-Americans are one cohesive block, which is why I was asking earlier about the Lao skater. I had only heard of her thru little Lao on the prairie. It’s so unusual to get other Asians in skating other than from the big 3.
 
As with life in general, the trope of skating being full of hard working ambitious Asians focuses on the usual suspects of Chinese, Japanese and Korean decent for the stereotype. Not all Asian-Americans are one cohesive block, which is why I was asking earlier about the Lao skater. I had only heard of her thru little Lao on the prairie. It’s so unusual to get other Asians in skating other than from the big 3.

I'm seeing a lot more Vietnamese-Americans in skating now, which obviously makes me happy personally.
 
Maybe it's where I live, but I'm also seeing a lot more skaters from India, the Philippines, and the Middle East. Mostly they do synchro or skate recreationally, but some are doing singles. As @VIETgrlTerifa said, Vietnamese-Americans are also skating more! In the midwest, African Americans are also skating more - particularly in synchro.
 
I know lots of you think the BOW criteria are unclear and that you want weights and stuff and this is a pr nightmare for the federation. But really, it was done a lot clearer than 4 years ago and the complaints don't stop.

It was done a lot clearer in that there were stated criteria. But how the criteria was applied and weighed in the selection process were not clear this time either.

The athletes know the criteria going in. Even if they add weights I don't think fans will be happy as long as a podium finisher is left off the team. Also the public doesn't like the idea of 'decision in the back room', and laying things out and rewriting criteria is just their way to insert control and feel better about the process.

Someone is going to be unhappy no matter who is chosen. But at least making the decision process more transparent and understandable would help people who aren't on the USFS selection committee figure out why the team was chosen.

But I don't think adding weights will stop complaints. Look we are now using code of points and yet the complaints are now focusing on how the goes are given like candy and level calls and sometimes the numbers come out wrong.

You just said nothing will stop complaints, and I agree. But why is that a reason not to add a component to the decision process that would reduce the number of complaints?

As a number cruncher at work, I will be the first to tell you that having numbers assigned gives people the appearance of legitimate evaluation and comfort. But qualitative research is just as valid as quantitative but people think having numbers makes things more legit so here we go. For instance in a questionnaire we are told to evaluate something on a scale from 1-5. We assign numbers to it but behind the numbers is still a subjective opinion.

No one is saying that it isn't. But when you answer a questionnaire, or at least a well-designed one, you have descriptions that should help make sure your choice accurately represents your opinion. E.g. "how many times this week at work did you feel unhappy?" with responses like 1 "never", 2 "once" 3 "two or three times" , and so on. So with methodology like this the numbers can represent subjective opinions/experiences in a way that can be measured and compared across different cases. It isn't ignoring the qualitative component, it's simply framing it in a way that can be assessed with quantitative tools.
 
@Yazmeen, I've met Samuel Auxier in person and I think he's a nice guy and apparently a good administrator and a well-liked team player. I didn't get the impression that he understands a great deal about the sport or its history, despite being the current president of USFS. I don't think it was his intention to be negative toward Ross, but I do feel the situation was handled ineptly. A lot of people are feeling many mixed emotions over this situation. It appears to me that USFS need more accomplished p.r. people and some crisis management help as well. Knowing that whatever decision was made would be painful and criticized no matter what, it would have been better for USFS to take some time to try and handle it in a manner that didn't target Ross as 'unworthy,' while still being able to fully explain how they examined the criteria and came to their conclusion. Believe it or not, there is a less brutal way of handling this type of situation.

I've voiced why I would have liked to see the team made up of Nathan, Ross and Adam, under the circumstances of what happened. Initially, like many fans, I had anticipated that Nathan, Adam and Jason would persevere. Since USFS is in the habit of manipulating scores anyway, they may as well have fixed things the way they wanted in the scoring, eh. The problem is that perhaps the judges and US fed officials made too many assumptions. Quite often, the Skate Gods like to up-end things. :eek: This is yet another lesson for everyone to not tempt the Skate Gods, and to never take anything for granted.

If he had delivered better than these other guys at his international assignments, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That's a hypothetical, because politics are involved in the scoring as well as in the competitive assignment process which impacts skaters' ability to gain momentum and confidence. I agree it would have helped Ross' case to place higher in events he was assigned, but as I said he went into the season handicapped with one GP and the perception by judges that he's a journeyman about to retire who doesn't deserve any respect. This, despite his high quality skills. Skaters like Ross are often not even-handedly judged. They are usually set to a higher standard than top skaters who have more margin for error. Ross has skated very well on some memorable occasions, and has still been judged harshly by international judges. And again, if he makes even a minor error or two, he's been dropped like a rock. Skaters such as Grant and Ross who have quality skills, but fewer major competitive opportunities have to summon more grit because the skate order tends to disadvantage them, along with the judges' perceptions, which ultimately can foster an overwhelming crisis of confidence in big moments. And as I said earlier, the big moments for such skaters are few and often random, which doesn't allow for building momentum or having a substantial breakthrough.

I commend Grant for actually mastering the quad with a relevant level of consistency, even though it's been difficult for him to sustain consistently. But it's difficult for a number of top skaters to go clean all the time (albeit with multiple quads). A big factor in all of this is quad-mania that has consumed men's figure skating. Ross Miner, Adam Rippon, Jason Brown, Grant Hochstein, and even Alexander Johnson are all skaters whose exquisite gifts and superb talents have been hampered by the rush to overweight and anoint quads. Grant had the most success with quads, and Ross was able to land two clean quads in major competitions 5 years apart apparently. But that points out the fact of how difficult it is to be able to develop any momentum in front of international judges when you can't attend major competitions on a regular basis, and are always having to face overwhelming odds of breaking through. I wish it was possible for the sport to actually develop a viable senior B with more competitions spread out over the season during which talented middle tier skaters can gain confidence and momentum, win more medals and build a major reputation that might take them to top senior level prominence. Or if not, perhaps they would have been able to at least experience more satisfying competitive milestones.

I would also like to mention Jeremy Abbott and Richard Dornbush as superb skaters whose careers were also somewhat hampered by the advent of the quad, even though they both were able to land a number of gorgeous quads in competition during their careers. Apparently, Richard made the right decision for himself to leave the quad circus when he did. It's us fans and the sport itself who suffer from his absence in recent years. :( The path is different for everyone. I'm so happy for Ross that he made the decision to keep going and to bookend his career with his 2011 U.S. Nationals triumph and now with these final two marvelous and Olympic-worthy performances at 2018 U.S. Nationals. Ross is Boss!!! Enjoy 4CCs Ross!
 
After the controversies that have gone on with team selection the last 5 years, personally I think USFS should either go back to top 3 at Nationals = the team, OR they should replace the current tier/committee process with some type of much more numerically based or otherwise clearer system.

The tier criteria concept sounded reasonable at first, but as @kwanfan1818 argued last year, there’s no mathematical weighting of the tiers and so you don’t know how much any particular event is “worth.” The “value” of the tier events is determined solely by the committee, and that valuation isn’t shared with others, so really, why even publish it?

Also, when you think about the history of USFS’s “interventions” in team selection, i.e., instances when they didn’t go top 3, it seems to me the outcome record is mixed, at best. In general, I don’t feel like the interventions have really yielded much. The one case where it really did inarguably pay off was putting Kerrigan on the Oly team in 1994. Aside from that, I can’t think of an instance where an intervention definitely led to a medal that we wouldn’t have otherwise won. (If I’ve forgotten something, though, let me know.)

ETA: I do think federations absolutely need to have the right to intervene in truly unique situations, like Kerrigan in 1994 or Hanyu this year. Outside of those very rare situations, though, I’m increasingly inclined to just have it play out at Natls. There will always be heartbreak, but at least that way, the athletes are (mostly) in control of what happens.

There have been very few interventions over the years. Maybe putting Ashley on the team in Sochi helped win the team medal but the US won bronze by 8 points. I think either Mirai or Polina could have managed to come in higher than 8th in the short if Ashley had been left off of the team. Certainly Gracie could have if they wanted to use her for both programs. Kerrigan for sure but that was a special case because she was injured. Similarly, if Michelle had been healthy, the decision to substitute her for Emily Hughes probably would have resulted in a medal.
 
For those looking for the names of the members of the International Committee/Selection Committee, that information can be found through the following link at page 16 of the USFS directory:

https://www.usfsaonline.org/Files/Directory/Directory_Full.pdf

In the event that the link goes down following this post, the names are:
Robert G. Rosenbluth, Chair
Laurie S. Johnson, Chairs of Singles Discipline Group
Samuel Auxier
Tammie K. Campbell
Kathaleen K. Cutone
Wendy L. Enzmann
Peggy Graham
Kevin M. Rosenstein
Pilar M. Bosley (Athlete Member)
Rachael E. Flatt (Athlete Member)
Douglas P. Razzano (Athlete Member)
Benjamin Reisman Miller (Coaching Member)
 

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