Roman Kostomarov

[once_upon]

It seems like he got ill, ignored it, and only waited until the last possible minute to seek actual medical help?

Not necessarily. Sometimes illnesses progress rapidly. Even when someone seeks care early.

 

[Prancer]

Not necessarily. Sometimes illnesses progress rapidly. Even when someone seeks care early.

This all kind of reminds me of when Jim Henson (of Muppets fame) died; he had a sore throat for several days (which turned out to be strep), got much sicker suddenly and died less than a day after going to the ER. That was in 1990, but I still remember it well because my doctor told me that with my asthma, I needed a flu shot every year and a pneumonia shot right then; she used Henson as an example of someone who was receiving undoubtedly excellent health care but was still quickly overwhelmed and died once the bacterial pneumonia set in.

I would think athletes would be particularly prone to delaying treatment, if that is what happened here. They've spent most of their lives being told to ignore pain, injuries and sickness and compete anyway.

 

[Taso]

This all kind of reminds me of when Jim Henson (of Muppets fame) died; he had a sore throat for several days (which turned out to be strep), got much sicker suddenly and died less than a day after going to the ER. That was in 1990, but I still remember it well because my doctor told me that with my asthma, I needed a flu shot every year and a pneumonia shot right then; she used Henson as an example of someone who was receiving undoubtedly excellent health care but was still quickly overwhelmed and died once the bacterial pneumonia set in.

I would think athletes would be particularly prone to delaying treatment, if that is what happened here. They've spent most of their lives being told to ignore pain, injuries and sickness and compete anyway.

I keep thinking of Jim Henson as well here, except he didnt suffer in this way thankfully for his own sake (though the world lost out on decades of creative work).

 

[Prancer]

I keep thinking of Jim Henson as well here, except he didnt suffer in this way thankfully

Yes; whatever people think of Kostamarov, this is just a terrible situation for him and his family.

 

[rfisher]

Sadly, a lot of people don't seek medical care for various reasons. We always saw a lot of pathology at the VA medical centers often because the patient would wait to see the doctor and the pathology had advanced. Men seem to be worse than women, but the gender differences are cultural. Cost, access to care, social and cultural constructs about illness, denial, fear all play a role. This was a topic I always had my senior students discuss in transcultural health care. The students would look at their own family dynamics and discuss the reasons why family members didn't seek care until they were really ill.

 

[sus2850]

At the beginning of this tragedy there was also talk that he did ice water bathing trying to cure himself, was this ever confirmed?

 

[Ananas Astra]

At the beginning of this tragedy there was also talk that he did ice water bathing trying to cure himself, was this ever confirmed?

IIRC it was never confirmed but I can see him doing that. Some Russian celebrity said that her husband does the same when he is sick in winter, so it seems to be common.

 

[barbk]

Some of this feels a lot like blaming the victim or at least trying to convince ourselves that we would never be so foolish as to get in this situation.

 

[Willowway]

Some of this feels a lot like blaming the victim or at least trying to convince ourselves that we would never be so foolish as to get in this situation.

Your comment is interesting. Yeah, us humans have an instinct to imply "I would never be so foolish as to..." - you name it. And we like to point to a reason that something, something big or something little, happened. In this way we distance, even protect ourselves from the reality that random and horrible things can happen. What has happened to Roman is so extreme and so unlikely but it can happen to any one of us unfortunate enough to cross paths with the wrong pathogens at the wrong time. Terrifying, really.

 

[Cachoo]

If he is on ECMO and has had amputations, then he may be suffering from Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC). It's a terrible condition with stages, where the blood clots so much that all of the clotting factor in your body is used up, which can then result in massive bleeding in other areas of the body. Once the clotting starts it is very difficult to stop, even with changes to the ECMO circuit.

Well that is horrible. I wanted to say that I spent a month in the hospital with sepsis. Those days before I collapsed are so fuzzy. I have no memory of a 48 hr. period. His judgement may have been as impaired as mine. My sister saved me. I could not see what was plain to others. I feel terrible for this guy.

 

[MacMadame]

I thought he was taken off EMCO a few days ago.

 

[Mugs]

Well that is horrible. I wanted to say that I spent a month in the hospital with sepsis. Those days before I collapsed are so fuzzy. I have no memory of a 48 hr. period. His judgement may have been as impaired as mine. My sister saved me. I could not see what was plain to others. I feel terrible for this guy.

I'm terribly sorry that you had to go through such a dreadful health care ordeal. How wonderful that your sister recognized your needs and was able to help you.

I too feel badly for Mr Kostomarov. Life is so unpredictable, which is why it truly is so precious. I hope he recovers and can find joy.

 

[Judy]

Well that is horrible. I wanted to say that I spent a month in the hospital with sepsis. Those days before I collapsed are so fuzzy. I have no memory of a 48 hr. period. His judgement may have been as impaired as mine. My sister saved me. I could not see what was plain to others. I feel terrible for this guy.

Sepsis is deadly. Thank goodness for your sister.

 

[Vash01]

Well that is horrible. I wanted to say that I spent a month in the hospital with sepsis. Those days before I collapsed are so fuzzy. I have no memory of a 48 hr. period. His judgement may have been as impaired as mine. My sister saved me. I could not see what was plain to others. I feel terrible for this guy.

I am so glad that your sister saved you!

 

[Cachoo]

I am so glad that your sister saved you!

Me too! She is awesome. I do think the scariest thing, at least in my case, is that it travels everywhere and, in my case, my addled brain could not function properly. And I could not see what was happening. From what I’ve learned since is that it can be lethal in so many ways. I think Mr. Kostomarov’s case sounds much worse.

 

[cholla]

Even though some other people can say: “We are free to keep reposting those shocking articles until a member of his family comes to close this thread”.

That's absolutely not what I said. No one ever said such a thing in this thread. I said that unless you were a friend or a member of the family it was not up to you to dictate or censor what was discussed. FTR I've never posted a single link in this thread or elsewhere. I even edited my first post, (which was totally innocuous and was just showing sympathy and concern) because you immediately jumped on it, asking more or less not to comment Kostomarov's case at all. Again, there would be no articles at all if detailed informations on Kostomarov's ailments had not been leaked by the hospital. Which is against the law in Russia, like in most countries, by the way.

I’m not angry. I just think well-wishing people are able to take into account the opinions of Roman’s family without closing the thread.

Oh yes I'm not a well wishing poster, I'm a heartless abominable vulture who has absolutely no respect for people in distress Are you just being clumsy because English isn't your mother tongue, or do you love to twist people's words? I hope you are aware it is unfair and hurtful.

Why do I say it on this forum, but not in some other places?

That's not what I asked you either. I told you that if you were shocked by what was discussed in this thread, it was easy not to open it again. You may not be angry but you are clearly very upset. I'm sorry but it seems to me that you are taking things to heart a bit too much and it makes you draw conclusions a bit too fast and very unfairly about other posters' motivations.

That being said, I hope Kostomarov is in recovery. We haven't heard anything new, which means the leaks have stopped. At least and at last that's a good thing, whatever his state is.

 

[Yuri]

The latest news on Roman's health finally has some cautious optimism of some improvement. They are saying his condition is stable, doctors have been cleansing his blood, and he is gradually coming out of his medication sleep. Prayers are his recovery!

Показатели Костомарова начали улучшаться. За здоровье олимпийского чемпиона больше не надо бояться?

СМИ сообщают о стабилизации состояния фигуриста и постепенном восстановлении.

www.sport-express.ru

The measures taken seem to have yielded results - in recent days the condition has been stable, the indicators began to improve over the past evening and night. Cleansing the blood helped. In this case, a good symptom is a gradual recovery - a quick one is usually accompanied by an equally rapid extinction. Doctors continue to study Kostomarov's analyzes and avoid abrupt intervention so as not to harm the skater.

Experts have not yet made final conclusions - it is still too early, the situation can change in just a few hours. But after the nightmare of recent days, there is at least cautious optimism at the moment.

 

[cholla]

The latest news on Roman's health finally has some cautious optimism of some improvement. They are saying his condition is stable, doctors have been cleansing his blood, and he is gradually coming out of his medication sleep. Prayers are his recovery!

Показатели Костомарова начали улучшаться. За здоровье олимпийского чемпиона больше не надо бояться?

СМИ сообщают о стабилизации состояния фигуриста и постепенном восстановлении.

www.sport-express.ru

This is really good to hear. You can't go through what Roman went through without an exceptional will to live. Kudos to him for being such a warrior.

 

[Trusova]

The latest news on Roman's health finally has some cautious optimism of some improvement. They are saying his condition is stable, doctors have been cleansing his blood, and he is gradually coming out of his medication sleep. Prayers are his recovery!

Показатели Костомарова начали улучшаться. За здоровье олимпийского чемпиона больше не надо бояться?

СМИ сообщают о стабилизации состояния фигуриста и постепенном восстановлении.

www.sport-express.ru

It is known that a temperature difference of more than 10 degrees can cause a stroke. Treating a stroke is a race against time to restore blood flow to the brain. My mother had a stroke a year ago under similar circumstances. I keep blaming myself for failing to protect her.

Many people call it a problem to perform in an open ice show. Skaters often skate in the cold in light clothes, and then come to warm dressing rooms. The temperature difference is large, which can provoke problems with the body. The most important thing is that you just should not hang out in the cold and return to a warm room.

 

[Rina RUS]

I even edited my first post, (which was totally innocuous and was just showing sympathy and concern) because you immediately jumped on it, asking more or less not to comment Kostomarov's case at all.

Dear Cholla, I haven’t been posting anything at all for a few days.
Do you say that I “immediately jumped on” your post back then just because my post went after yours? Unfortunately, I edited my post like you edited yours, but as far as I remember I didn’t quote you and didn’t address you in that post, did I? As for editing, as far as I remember I only deleted from my post something what I said about Roman (first I mentioned something about him, because it seemed to me that those things were not as negative as some other “news”, but soon I decided to delete those things from my post).

If you think that I twisted your words, I have reasons to say the same: you twist the situation too, when you say that I “immediately jumped on” your post with my post in which I didn’t quote you and didn’t blame you.

I said that unless you were a friend or a member of the family it was not up to you to dictate or censor what was discussed.

You can see that people keep talking here. If you still see a problem, maybe it is a problem about your eyes? I didn’t try to dictate anything because of my own wishes, I only had a feeling that it was right to tell about the opinions of Roman’s family.

What about finishing arguing? I haven’t been posting anything at all for a few days, I wasn’t going to post anything now. Maybe both of us are clumsy. OK.

 

[Ananas Astra]

In other news: Apparently, Roman's condition has improved and the doctors are taking him out of the medically-induced coma. Waking up can take from two up to seven days.

 

[Nadya]

Well that is horrible. I wanted to say that I spent a month in the hospital with sepsis. Those days before I collapsed are so fuzzy. I have no memory of a 48 hr. period. His judgement may have been as impaired as mine. My sister saved me. I could not see what was plain to others. I feel terrible for this guy.

Ugh how awful. I'm so sorry. I had a mild case of sepsis giving birth to my 3rd and although it wasn't anywhere as bad as yours, all I remember was people running around me and moving really fast. I can't remember what they were saying at all.

 

[Cachoo]

Ugh how awful. I'm so sorry. I had a mild case of sepsis giving birth to my 3rd and although it wasn't anywhere as bad as yours, all I remember was people running around me and moving really fast. I can't remember what they were saying at all.

I am so glad you came through ok. I am not sure I would ever call it mild.

 

[Ananas Astra]

According to Russian media, Domnina is trying not to panic and people have started bringing icons to Kostomarov...this is bad.

 

[ballettmaus]

Earlier articles said he tested positive for influenza B and then got bacterial pneumonia on top of that (not uncommon). I don't remember anything about COVID.

FOCUS online reported he was hospitalized for Covid. Elsewhere (don't recall where), I read that Match TV reported it, too. But the FOCUS article also sounded like he had left the hospital after he had been initially hospitalized whereas the other article stated that he has been in the hospital ever since that initial hospitalization. So, who knows.
In the end, what truly matters is that his doctors know with certainty what he has so they can treat him properly and that he recovers.

 

[once_upon]

In other news: Apparently, Roman's condition has improved and the doctors are taking him out of the medically-induced coma. Waking up can take from two up to seven days.

@Kasey certainly knows more about waking someone up from medically induced coma and it is very calculated. You don't just stop meds cold turkey and they wake up. It's a process

 

[Bigbird]

According to Russian media, Domnina is trying not to panic and people have started bringing icons to Kostomarov...this is bad.

I thought they were slowly waking him up. Prayers to the family. This is so traumatic.

 

[ballettmaus]

I thought they were slowly waking him up. Prayers to the family. This is so traumatic.

It is not unheard of that a patient may seem to be getting better and then takes a turn for the worse. But it could also be conflicting reports. Hardly anything about his condition seems straight-forward and/or entirely trustworthy.

 

[Bigbird]

It is not unheard of that a patient may seem to be getting better and then takes a turn for the worse. But it could also be conflicting reports. Hardly anything about his condition seems straight-forward and/or entirely trustworthy.

Yeah.

 

[Rainbow]

According to the German Sports Information Service (SID) Kostomarov ist dying. While stil in an artificial coma, his body is too week, they say. In addition to the amputations, two strokes and cerebral hemorrhage, also the ocular lens of his right eye had to be removed.