Could you point to some especially bad examples from Vancouver era, then? E.g. costuming/choreography that lacked authenticity/sensitivity almost as bad as the whole "let's just wear illusion mesh & shrubbery & buffoonish facial expressions and top it off with some drag-her-by-the-hair choreo and call that 'Aboriginal'" thing?Nothing. But music is not the only way in which a folk dance can lack authenticity (or sensitivity).
There’s probably no carpet. Everyone rips that out nowadays.Or, checking to see if the carpet matches the curtains.
So you would have been fine with a "folk dance" combining stereotypical hillbilly aesthetic with vaguely Russian folk dance gestures and Irish neo-folk music? After all, all those 3 cultures can be classified as "White" and/or "Indo-European" and the people look pretty similar, although their cultures are different.
Oh, DomShabs certainly took it to the extreme, and I've noted that in my previous posts.Could you point to some especially bad examples from Vancouver era, then? E.g. costuming/choreography that lacked authenticity/sensitivity almost as bad as the whole "let's just wear illusion mesh & shrubbery & buffoonish facial expressions and top it off with some drag-her-by-the-hair choreo and call that 'Aboriginal'" thing?
I like Petrenko! I think that is a great idea! Very unusual and funny!Victor Petrenko’s number on a made for tv competition where he skated to Mambo Number 5 with a life-sized doll attached to him.
Was she meant to resemble Oksana?
https://youtu.be/LEZBCRkAg4k
I'm not a fan of "Holocaust On Ice" performances either and I had managed to forget that... uh... whatever that other thing was supposed to be. *shudders* (While it's a pity we won't see any more John Kerrs in a kilt or programs like D/W's Bollywood that actually made the effort to consult real dancers/experts and translate their moves the best they could in the ice dance format, I don't really miss most of the folk dance ODs...)But folk ODs do not necessarily succeed at authentic cultural representation. I'm not sure what culture these costumes were supposed to represent, and slutty cowboy isn't exactly a folk concept either. Plus Generic Eastern European with extra ornamentation. This was also the same year that Ilinykh got shot at the end of the Schindler's List FD, which IMO was as bad as anything that went on in the ODs if not worse.
What does it matter? The Indigenous people of my country were offended and upset, and I was offended and upset with them. I could never be offended on the same level because I am not of their culture, but I was still offended. It was a disgusting piece, completely vile.
Yes, I do think they're racist. And extremely arrogant for defending their revolting program instead of accepting that there were issues and making legitimate changes. And I think their choreographer is racist and arrogant, and I think any who defend what they did and how they did it are racist.
Of course that is blackface, if they paint her face black. And it is not okay. She can dress up in Tiana's dress, that's fine. But why paint her skin? But the blame in that situation is on her parents, not on the five year old who at that age, does not know color or race unless she is being told so.
That is idiocy. There is such a thing as multiculturalism, you know. Here, we have a lot of Chinese restaurants. And Turkish, and Japanese, and Indian, and Thai, and Vietnamese, and so on. We share our food with each other.
The dances that are done of another culture should be carefully researched and consultation made with that culture. That was how Davis and White did it, was it not? And that was certainly, absolutely, how O'Brien and Merriman did it - over a year's worth of careful consultation with Indigenous elders to ensure that their Aboriginal program, that their costumes, were not offensive.
I do think they are racist. And the second they were told the program was offensive and they went into defense mode, the intent of the program absolutely became to offend. And seriously? No intention? He dragged her by her hair. Come on.
Offensive as that program was, I don't see how the Olympics should be about policing program content, let alone kicking people out of the games for it. I mean, who gets to decide? If I decided as a Jewish person that nobody should be doing Schindler's List because it offends me to see the Holocaust trivialized, do I get to ban that? If D/W had struck a wrong note with the Bollywood program - and they took a risk there - should that have gotten them in trouble?
Claiming that the ISU rewarded blatant racism is a stretch. The competition did have three segments, and for all their limitations (mainly due to his knee issues) DomShabs were good skaters and World Champions. They could have skated to anything and gotten good marks, which is why it was so disappointing that they chose to do the so-called Aboriginal dance.
They did drop after the OD, of course. And while no other folk OD was that bad, there were certainly quite a few that were less than faithful representations of the culture they purported to represent.
Those aren't programs, they're accidents. Presumably nobody on FSU enjoys watching skaters get injured.
S/B FD this season, the music Ugh
Marin LP too much yunaesque, I hate it.
the Parsons FD 2017-18 and the Shibs SD 2012-13, we had a master piece with the Duchesnay with that music, I don´t care if it is tribute or not, anyone else using it looks bad in my opinion.
Mao: Carmen at 15 yo, she looks cute skating it but it is Carmen, so it looks cute and silly.
Alina Don Quijote, probably she is trying to look like this https://youtu.be/hDQ43Qb1Guw?t=114, but actually she looks like this https://youtu.be/rdFlF4i4yhs?t=59
There’s probably no carpet. Everyone rips that out nowadays.
I'm definitely not an expert of Latin ballroom, but having watched those comps every now and then I think sometimes they use pop songs with "Latin" beat or Latin remixes of current pop hits. (Could somebody more knowledgeable tell me if this is actually the case or is my memory doing tricks on me?)We are seeing the same lack of authenticity in the Short Dance as in the Original Dance.
If the Rolling Stones, the Eagles, and Ed Sheeran are Latin, then I am Ibrahim Ferrer.
Eteri Tutberidze lived and worked in the United States for six years and was married to an American. While her judgment may be poor, her English is not.
Those aren't programs, they're accidents. Presumably nobody on FSU enjoys watching skaters get injured.
Btw, I can't remember being uncomfortable with any of the "hip hop" programs, mostly just a bit bored with the exception of some programs (like V/M & Shibs) but looking back... Were there any particularly embarrassing ones I've managed to forget? I don't think any have come up in this thread...
This thread title conjured up repressed memories of Duchesnay and Duchesnay's 1992 Polka Original Dance
The horror, the horror! The kitch, the kitsch!
Now, I'm off to find some nice Carolina Kostner, Akiko Suzuki, and Janet Lynn programs to use as brain bleach.
This thread title conjured up repressed memories of Duchesnay and Duchesnay's 1992 Polka Original Dance
The horror, the horror! The kitch, the kitsch!
Now, I'm off to find some nice Carolina Kostner, Akiko Suzuki, and Janet Lynn programs to use as brain bleach.
I love Mao's Carmen performance. I really like this version of the music which I haven't heard that much. Perhaps I have been sheltered from this piece more than most. I think Mao's performance is a fine mix of adorable and dramatic. I think it is charming and classy and even classic especially considering Mao was only 15. The beautifully erect and symmetrical rotations on the triple flip and loop are followed by the adorable and seemingly unaffected hair twirl. Then, there is the lovely spiral sequence, as Mao carves sweeping, serpentine arcs transitioning from her right to left handed cross grab Biellmann spiral while skating backwards, with the left arm holding the right leg and then the right arm holding the left leg for maximum flexibility with exemplary posture. Then, there is the lovely turn out extension from the fan spiral with a beautiful layback and the picturesque transition with an expressive stretch upwards with the arms. Finally, there are also two beautiful one handed Biellmann spins. and some dramatic flair with the arms on the exit to her jumps and at the end of her performance.
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As for Alina, though I think she is lacking a bit in the dancing elegance of a ballerina and could have a little better posture in landing her jumps and in a number of her other movements, I like the performance of Don Quixote overall especially since she certainly has beautiful positions in her spins and the rapid succession of jumps at the end give a sense of the dramatic crescendo in the music especially for a backloaded program, in my opinion. It makes up to a large extent for the slow start. Also, I really liked her cross grab Biellmann spiral in her version of Don Quioxte last year, though unfortunately I think it has been removed from this year's version.
I don´t have problem with her skating, but the concept is not the best IMO. Look at this https://youtu.be/8839BW5awA8?t=63, she looks cute. Cute is not the first idea that comes to my mind when I think about Carmen, thanks God she was not doing sexy moves, it would be worse, but if she being 15 yo had the cute factor they should use to her advantage with an appropriate program as The nutcracker that was perfect . It is like having a program with Ave María doing sexy moves.
Also the lift that Guinard/Fabbri do where he lifts her in between her legs I think C/L and the Legacs have done it too.
A 13 year old girl skating to Big Spender in this dress and in that manner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnc3UwCiIBU
Sexualization of a child makes me uncomfortable.
As for Alina, though I think she is lacking a bit in the dancing elegance of a ballerina and could have a little better posture in landing her jumps and in a number of her other movements, I like the performance of Don Quixote overall especially since she certainly has beautiful positions in her spins and the rapid succession of jumps at the end give a sense of the dramatic crescendo in the music especially for a backloaded program, in my opinion. It makes up to a large extent for the slow start. Also, I really liked her cross grab Biellmann spiral in her version of Don Quioxte last year, though unfortunately I think it has been removed from this year's version.
I can't cope with your avatar That French sulkiness.
This is what happens when you send amateurs rather truly talented journalists like the great Ivana Komova.Ted Flett really missed the boat with that interview.
He really could have asked her some great questions about her coaching, and the ability to produce champions. Instead, he spent most of the time asking her about her beauty regime and the skaters' costumes.