Wyliefan
Ubering juniors against my will
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They maybe burning out..... but with Olympic Golds and World/int'l comps medals on their necks..
True. But at what cost? Does Zagitova look happy to you?They maybe burning out..... but with Olympic Golds and World/int'l comps medals on their necks..
Certainly not at the cost of getting under Morozov to become perky..True. But at what cost? Does Zagitova look happy to you?
Ok, that was hilarious. I can't stop laughing and I am at work.Certainly not at the cost of getting under Morozov to become perky..
make sure you don't spit out coffee on your computer.Ok, that was hilarious. I can't stop laughing and I am at work.
Russian skating has been characterized by a never-seen turnover of its female wunderkinds in the recent years: Yulia Lipnitskaya was an instant star in 2014 and disappeared; Adelina Sotnikova won her Olympic gold and turned to other endeavors.
Yevgenia Medvedeva could have had the same fortune, had she not decided to move to Canada.
Alysa Liu, the new U.S. national champion, is on par with Kihira
Why would you come to watch a competition, if after just a few years a skater you had enjoyed watching doesn’t even compete anymore?” he asked.
i am not sure it is fair to compare these two now..Kihira would destroy Liu if they competed against each other today.
Skaters do not owe their fans "longevity of careers"... they owe the competition organizers and fans (?) the best skate they can do at the time of the competition.Why would you come to watch a competition, if after just a few years a skater you had enjoyed watching doesn’t even compete anymore?” he asked.
Man, the hyperbole and hand-wringing in that article! A few choice quotes:
Yes, because Canada is working out so well for Medvedeva. And I see a categorical difference between Med who dominated almost an entire quad and Lip, who was pretty much gone after the post-Olympics GP Final.
Kihira would destroy Liu if they competed against each other today.
Maybe because you like skating?
i am not sure it is fair to compare these two now..
but i agree, this comment in the article is idiotic ...
Skaters do not owe their fans "longevity of careers"... they owe the competition organizers and fans (?) the best skate they can do at the time of the competition.
I personally disagree that having longevity doesn't make you better and that not having it doesn't make you worse. Also, Sarah's career, or anyone who lasted an entire quad being on national and international podiums with relative consistency, seems eons longer than Baiul's or Lipinski's, whose international careers essentially lasted less than two full seasons.Having longevity doesn't make you better and not having it doesn't make you worse. Most skaters who last years would die to have a career Oksana and Tara, or even Sarah (who lasted only one quad).
What do you mean?...... we have our own "tara" - Miroslava Belikova.....Too bad all Russians can’t have a lipinski like career! 1995-1998!!
Longevity is great but people online overrate it. There is a tone from many people (not just here but on any skating board) that suggest just because you don't last long somehow your lesser a skater. Having longevity doesn't make you better and not having it doesn't make you worse. Most skaters who last years would die to have a career Oksana and Tara, or even Sarah (who lasted only one quad).
And that's what makes this cast so fantastic, because everyone technically has just arrived [to the top] and so now they get the chance - and they still have passion for the sport - to continue to evolve emotionally.
It's a pity that in our sport people leave so young that they rarely reach this point. Now with Tessa and Scott coming back maybe we can lead into a change of that mentality. Maybe... That would be fantastic.
I think the article headline (and this thread title) doesn't accurately reflect what Berlot actually wrote in his opinion piece/analysis which I found to be fairly balanced overall.I loved this article, was a bit surprised to read it as I know Jean-Christophe Berlot to be a very nice person who is always very, very kind to skaters and coaches. Loved the “Kleenex syndrome” term, never heard of it before.
I would actually count Ito and Yamaguchi as skaters whose careers had longevity. Both "retired" in an era when there was a huge and very active competitive pro circuit and maintained very high levels of technical ability for many years after they stopped competing in amateur competitions. If I remember correctly, Yamaguchi even beat Kwan in a pro-am event under ISU rules. Ito even returned to eligible competition years later for a brief period of time.
Both, Midori Ito and Fumie Suguri, chose skating as their life long career and/or hobby, they are skating in Adult Int'l events till today or until very recently.I don’t really have much to say about the article itself but I’m an unabashed Ito uber and regardless of what her numerical results were, her skating was legendary for a long period of time. Any current skater who could keep up that level of skating for as long as she did under IJS would be blowing us all away.
I would also add that the results of both were held back by school figures. Ito in particular could have been a multiple time world champion under a different system. I don’t know how anyone could argue that Ito didn’t have a long career considering that she attended 8 world championships in four different quads (with her first and last coming 12 years apart) and 2 Olympic Games.
... that's inaccurate... this season has all new girls, Tennell is fairly new and she is medaling at int'l events... in the past US had many long-lifers in the top... Kwan, Cohen, Nagasu, Bell, Wagner... few others.Well, Russia is still in better position than USA. At least their stars rise before burning out, American girls just seem to burn out without rising, judging by this season.