Vagabond
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For me, it depends on the circumstances.This is a pet peeve of mine, but I HATE when someone references how they're a "good person" when accused of doing something bad.
For me, it depends on the circumstances.This is a pet peeve of mine, but I HATE when someone references how they're a "good person" when accused of doing something bad.
Not necessarily - things are a lot different now than they were when Yamaguchi was training. This seems like the sort of situation that billet families exist for.Is there more to this situation than just Dalilah housed a student who is a minor? Where else would a Russian transplant stay if she had no friends/relatives to live with? I mean, didn't Kristi Yamaguchi live with Kristy Ness up in Edmonton? It just seems like there has to be more here to the story.
It’s also mentioned in the article that Dalilah had two male skaters living with her at the same time. The boys were over 18, but it may be considered a no-no or inadvisable for juvenile skaters to be living with older skaters??? This is just a guess or question on my part—don’t know what the actual rules are.
Apparently, they weren't thinking.Like, really, what were they thinking there in Colorado Springs?
That's what I was thinking, too. Kind of like nailing a mobster crook for simple tax evasion. I think there is so much more to the Dalilah story that so many people are just sick of it yet can't say one word about it publicly.I think it's interesting that USFS reported her. This says to me that they knew she was doing questionable things and didn't want a minor living with her.
I wonder if they wanted to report her for other things but didn't have enough proof so went with this one. Kind of like getting Al Capone for tax evasion.
I am reposting from the GermanThread. So, the GermanSafeSport is doing nothing about this coach and now LSB is getting involved? I really am losing any faith in this whole "SafeSport" business. Known abusers of children that were put on suspension suddenly are taken off and their records are cleared via "SafeSport". Is SS as much of a joke as they appear?
Stefano Caruso's students have come forward about being abused by him. (The Berliner Zeitung article linked in the tweet above is behind a paywall)
Per Christine Brennan, SafeSport is handing out lifetime bans, but in the US the accused have a right to arbitration - which is outside of SafeSport's control. It is not SafeSport reducing suspensions but rather this independent arbitrator. So instead of getting mad at SafeSport, perhaps we should be asking why this arbitrator seems to downplay abuse?I am reposting from the GermanThread. So, the GermanSafeSport is doing nothing about this coach and now LSB is getting involved? I really am losing any faith in this whole "SafeSport" business. Known abusers of children that were put on suspension suddenly are taken off and their records are cleared via "SafeSport". Is SS as much of a joke as they appear?
It's not the German version of Safe Sport from US. Safe Sport in this case is the name of the concept, not a institutional entity. And I agree, the concept of safe sport from DEU has failed the skaters. DEU needs to improve their procedures as well as DOSB (they were accord with the findings as it looks like)
Here is the link to the concept safe sport by DEU: https://www.eislauf-union.de/die-deu/safesport
It's only about sexual abuse. They need to broaden their definition.
Absolutely YES!!! It seems that in America if you have the money for a good lawyer, everything will be hushed and put under the rug. That's my feeling what is happening. America is very litigious.Per Christine Brennan, SafeSport is handing out lifetime bans, but in the US the accused have a right to arbitration - which is outside of SafeSport's control. It is not SafeSport reducing suspensions but rather this independent arbitrator. So instead of getting mad at SafeSport, perhaps we should be asking why this arbitrator seems to downplay abuse?
Yes I listened to an interview with her explaining that. I agree with the role of arbitrator and was confused by this. Is it in court?Per Christine Brennan, SafeSport is handing out lifetime bans, but in the US the accused have a right to arbitration - which is outside of SafeSport's control. It is not SafeSport reducing suspensions but rather this independent arbitrator. So instead of getting mad at SafeSport, perhaps we should be asking why this arbitrator seems to downplay abuse?
I can’t speak specifically about SafeSport, but when an appeals court or an arbitrator reverses a decision by an administrative body (like SafeSport) or a lower court, it’s often because the decision-maker’s findings aren’t sufficiently supported by the evidence or because the decision-maker or investigator failed to follow rules or proper procedures.Per Christine Brennan, SafeSport is handing out lifetime bans, but in the US the accused have a right to arbitration - which is outside of SafeSport's control. It is not SafeSport reducing suspensions but rather this independent arbitrator. So instead of getting mad at SafeSport, perhaps we should be asking why this arbitrator seems to downplay abuse?
I think it's entirely possible that both are true. As in sometimes SS didn't dot their i's and cross their t's. But also the arbitrators may not take these kinds of cases seriously as we've seen a lot of examples of that.ust a guess, but the fact that in several recent cases, SafeSport decisions / sanctions have either been reversed or reduced suggests to me that because SafeSport is underfunded, understaffed, and under pressure to show results, they may have sometimes rushed investigations or issued decisions prematurely. I really doubt that the arbitrators aren’t taking the charges seriously.
Hmm. While there are bad human beings in every profession, I find it kind of hard to imagine any arbitrator or other adjudicator who wouldn’t take a SafeSport charge - or any charge of sexual or child abuse - seriously in this day and age. This is especially true because SafeSport arbitrators are provided by JAMS, which is one of the top providers of alternate dispute resolution services in the country. Their neutrals are screened and highly credentialed. Many are retired judges.I think it's entirely possible that both are true. As in sometimes SS didn't dot their i's and cross their t's. But also the arbitrators may not take these kinds of cases seriously as we've seen a lot of examples of that.
Have we?But also the arbitrators may not take these kinds of cases seriously as we've seen a lot of examples of that.