Just call me Harry. (Everything Harry & Meghan)

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The "spare" seems to have been floundering for several generations - Margaret, then Andrew, now Harry. I hope that William and Kate are giving some serious thought on what they can do to help Charlotte find a more satisfying course.
I think Charlotte is very much her own person. I surmise she will be fine.
 
There has been clarification about when Charles actually stopped supporting Harry financially. The impression people got from the Oprah interview was not accurate.

I think we can be sympathetic to Harry and Meghan but still fact check some of their assertions. They wouldn't be the first people to retell a story in a manner that is more flattering to their POV.

They had to offer something new, they couldn't present the same things over and over for someone like Oprah, hence inventing a "pre-wedding", revealing their unborn child's gender etc. This interview was a catastrophe. And Oprah's "Whaaaat?" was so fake. They really lost me after this interview.
 
As someone who's paid taxes to Canada for when Royals are doing their non-governmental or state/diplomatic visits and for Crown representatives to do their jobs, I think I and other Canadians and anyone who pay taxes to Canada or the UK have skin in the game.
For security etc etc. we pay taxes for everything.

I’m in a turkey Christmas coma today. Need.to.nap.
 
It’s not just taxes. We are culturally associated with the Monarchy. They are on our money, we name schools and parks after them, we make holidays after them, etc.
 
I will say Victoria gets a bit of a tourism boost although it’s become less and less British-y over the years. :)
 
It’s not just taxes. We are culturally associated with the Monarchy. They are on our money, we name schools and parks after them, we make holidays after them, etc.
There’s more important things to be concerned about imo.
 
To me, the cultural association is more important than whatever taxes go it, especially how I think it represents.
 
jumping in a bit late here. I really liked Meghan when her and Harry first got together. I watched the wedding felt bad about her dad and whatever we knew happened was elated when Charles walked her down the aisle etc.
I loved it when the 2 couples were the Fab Four. It's interesting to see at some point how different the narrative became - i think the tabloids saw the sales increased with stories of tantrums and infighting and that to a point they had published alot of untruths and exagerations. It's hard to believe that Meghan's behavior changed so drastically so I feel it's easier to believe that the negative stories were published to distract from other royals like Andrew or again sales were higher with the negative press. I really don't know how to comment with respect to any racism though I would be inclined to believe Meghan on those issues - I can't believe anyone would make up that kind of stuff.

I think Meghan got a real boost up the celebrity ladder when she got together with Harry. I'm sure they were alot of celebs more interested in becoming friendly once she got that boost. REally when you look at the people in the documentary that were her best friends none of them really have that A list status either.

I also think she is very smart and confident and not willing to fit a mold so to speak of spouse in the BRF. I think her confidence on top of that new celebrity boost could have gone to her head.

I would hate to be in her shoes for alot of what's happened but at the same time I really wish they would shut up. THey want to be independant want to make their own money etc. Hopefully they can find a way soon of making income that doesn't require them to trash their families - ROyal family or not it's still your family and all they are doing is burning bridges. OR perhaps they can take their 100 million and invest it well and live quietly - that would be awesome!
 
I saw in the last few days the Brit media has started up again with the bullying charges. I guess a slow news day? I have always felt this accusation was completely made up unless Meghan's different working style was viewed as bullying. In my work life the biggest complainers in the office were always the laziest/most incompetent employees. There are several accusations against her that I believe could be true but not this one. During a period that people in her situation would be trying to fit in & would be on their best behavior we are supposed to believe she went all rogue & became a classless tyrant? Nope.

I also saw that an palace employee who was vocal about her bullying just got a Companion of Honor award.
 
How can Harry hope to reconcile with his father and brother when he continues to do interviews/books/documentaries insulting them and the Royal Family?
 
How can Harry hope to reconcile with his father and brother when he continues to do interviews/books/documentaries insulting them and the Royal Family?
I don't think there's hope to reconcile. The way his family operates seems to be as much of a hurdle as what Harry might say in an interview.

I can't blame his scorched earth policy here. If you have a normal (ish) family that's relatively stable, I appreciate that people won't understand. But when your family is dysfunctional to this extent......

Anyways, I wish H&M would go full anti-monarchist, but I don't see that happening, sadly.
 
I saw in the last few days the Brit media has started up again with the bullying charges. I guess a slow news day? I have always felt this accusation was completely made up unless Meghan's different working style was viewed as bullying. In my work life the biggest complainers in the office were always the laziest/most incompetent employees. There are several accusations against her that I believe could be true but not this one. During a period that people in her situation would be trying to fit in & would be on their best behavior we are supposed to believe she went all rogue & became a classless tyrant? Nope.

I also saw that an palace employee who was vocal about her bullying just got a Companion of Honor award.
Okay but do you think the palace would hire incompetent workers?

These are people who likely didn’t get their jobs with bad reputations.

And if you are going into a country and an institution that is different than your own don’t you have a responsibility to adapt to their culture.

I don’t think Europeans saying no to 4am emails to be ridiculous or wrong.
There is plenty of talk that Meghan didn’t want to accept advise.

My understanding is the employee who said she was bullying isn’t so much saying she was bullying him but bullying others and if he is getting honored he clearly isn’t a bad worker.
 
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How can Harry hope to reconcile with his father and brother when he continues to do interviews/books/documentaries insulting them and the Royal Family?
How can his family hope to reconcile or not expect him to be mad when they keep playing a part in the tabloid stories about Harry and Meghan?

I saw in the last few days the Brit media has started up again with the bullying charges. I guess a slow news day?
Oh, I doubt slow news day is the reason. The timing is amidst the release of the Netflix series and in the lead up to the release of Harry's book and related interviews. I don't think that's a mere coincidence.
 
I am surprised AC would want this interview.
Anderson might find the situation something he can relate to. He comes from a famous family that lost its fortune and that Anderson seems to have quite a bit of contempt for. His family was dysfunctional and there is a history of mental health problems. Like Harry, he lost a parent when he was a child. He lost his brother to suicide. He does not seem to have much of a relationship with his older half-siblings.
 
How can his family hope to reconcile or not expect him to be mad when they keep playing a part in the tabloid stories about Harry and Meghan?
Doesn't he do the same? They do not leave the media space for a month with their stories about the royal family.
And I'm sure they themselves leaked a lot of things to the tabloids. It's already been proven that they leaked information for Omid Scobie's book.
 
How can his family hope to reconcile or not expect him to be mad when they keep playing a part in the tabloid stories about Harry and Meghan?
We don’t know that Harry’s family hopes to reconcile because they aren’t continually airing their grievances to anyone who will listen.

I’ve always liked Harry and was happy for him when he met Meghan and they fell in love. And I’m sure the royal family made mistakes and could have better handled some situations. I’m equally sure Harry/Meghan made mistakes and could have better handled some situations. But according to H/M, they are totally blameless for the rift, which shows a lack of maturity and self-awareness.
 
The Royal Family never condemned Jeremy Clarkson's vile comments. I think they says a lot.

As does their conduct with respect to myriad tabloid stories, whether it's a failure to say anything or complicity with leaks and planted stories. They are expressing themselves in other ways than Harry is.

The fact that they don't have the guts to say much with their names attached, much less say much themselves in public, doesn't mean they aren't making things public in other ways. (IMO, the statement issued by the palace in William's and Harry's name that Harry says he never signed onto does not count.)
 
Okay but do you think the palace would hire incompetent workers?

These are people who likely didn’t get their jobs with bad reputations.

And if you are going into a country and an institution that is different than your own don’t you have a responsibility to adapt to their culture.

I don’t think Europeans saying no to 4am emails to be ridiculous or wrong.
There is plenty of talk that Meghan didn’t want to accept advise.

My understanding is the employee who said she was bullying isn’t so much saying she was bullying him but bullying others and if he is getting honored he clearly isn’t a bad worker.
So naive. They aren't incompetent. They are doing exactly what the RF wants them to do. (Like the people who lied for Trump about the stolen election.) They weren't incompetent just despicable. They did their jobs well.

As for the employee getting honored, he's one of the ones who did their bidding well.

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We don’t know that Harry’s family hopes to reconcile because they aren’t continually airing their grievances to anyone who will listen.

I’ve always liked Harry and was happy for him when he met Meghan and they fell in love. And I’m sure the royal family made mistakes and could have better handled some situations. I’m equally sure Harry/Meghan made mistakes and could have better handled some situations. But according to H/M, they are totally blameless for the rift, which shows a lack of maturity and self-awareness.

Bolding me.

1) I'm not sure it's fair to give the KING OF BRITAIN, and the FUTURE KING so much credit for not "airing their grievances." They are in a position of power contrary to their son/brother. It's not a fair comparison. I can appreciate H&M have been more vocal than is comfortable for many, myself included at times, but I have less of an issue with it. In the end, they pay their own consequences for it. And I understand this position of "spare" that is hard to live within. After awhile, you might feel your only recourse is brutal honesty.

2) I doubt even H&M see themselves as blameless. A docuseries is just that-- a slanted docuseries. I'm sure there is a lot they could have handled differently, such as leaving the Royal Family earlier. Harry was never going to be comfortable in this place of "we're family, but our god-given roles dictate our importance professionally". I think those that could compartmentalize it extremely well (such as Prince Phillip & Princess Anne, the great dispassionate neutrals, or even Prince Edward) would probably not characterize it as easy.

Harry appears to be not so neutral in temperament. Even if he easily arrived at a place where he's fine with being decidedly less important "professionally" in his own family, he seems to have bristled at not being able to pursue things he felt were important, when he felt they were important. It's one thing to say, "Okay, you're gonna be king, that's fine. I don't want that BS anyways." It's another to say "That's fine, I won't go to this veterans/invictus/etc event because my brother needs to be the focus that day instead." Imho, in Meghan, he found someone that validated his frustration, as a millennial who hasn't lived under a monarchy at all.

I relate to that, and have no sympathy for a monarchy that serves no real purpose past tourism, but seems to require certain traditions and protocols be respected. It's ridiculous, but that's my North American, millennial perspective. :)
 
They aren't incompetent. They are doing exactly what the RF wants them to do. (Like the people who lied for Trump about the stolen election.) They weren't incompetent just despictable. They did their jobs well.

As for the employee getting honored, he's one of the ones who did their bidding well.
I have always felt this accusation was completely made up unless Meghan's different working style was viewed as bullying. In my work life the biggest complainers in the office were always the laziest/most incompetent employees. There are several accusations against her that I believe could be true but not this one. During a period that people in her situation would be trying to fit in & would be on their best behavior we are supposed to believe she went all rogue & became a classless tyrant? Nope.

I also saw that an palace employee who was vocal about her bullying just got a Companion of Honor award.
Based only on your assumption that a new boss wouldn't behave badly, you have labeled multiple staffers first as lazy, lying, complainers and now as despicable schemers trading false accusations for job advancement. This is a perfect illustration of why so many people who are bullied (or harassed) at work are afraid to report it.
 
Okay but do you think the palace would hire incompetent workers?

Yes. Every organization has incompetent employees

It's also a fact that Buckingham Palace pays anywhere from 20-50% below market rate for most of the jobs available and they expect the candidates to be happy with the awful pay just because of the mere fact they work for the palace....that kind of attitude attracts a certain kind of person. Many roles will go to aristocrats/ their kids with a trust fund who don't need the money but need something to do. I can't imagine a more toxic place to work.

Just like with A-list celebrities who are generally ok, it's usually the little known "entourage" who would do anything to be in their star's orbit who create all of the BS around the people they work for.
 
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