You do realize this song was #1 or #2 in many nations when it was first released, right? Medvedeva may have loved it, but so did/does the rest of the world. It’s not as if it’s some random piece discovered by Evgenia.I really wish that this silly controversy didn't exist. To chose music that was publicly coveted by Medvedeva was so petty.
But no. That would be too easy. Must play stupid games.
Darling, you know how they say it’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and confirm to everyone you really are one?Alina's program (or do I need to watch something else other than the beginning?) has like 3 to 5 seconds of this so-called choreography, which consists of shirt biting and similar head motions.
Gomez is going to suffer professionally ? The overreaction of it all. She is being criticized because maybe not everyone sees this the same way as you do.
Are you full of yourself much? I'm not sure why you feel so entitled, but goodbye.Darling, you know how they say it’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and confirm to everyone you really are one?
You’re welcome to think whatever you want, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. I spent seven years dealing with exactly these kinds of issues, and I do.
It was more than the shirt-biting. Come on. It was the whole concept, and the entire opening of dance moves we see in the Gomez video, starting from the on-ice sitting position, and the bending over move upon rising, plus attempting to approximate other moves from Gomez's dance throughout Alina's program. The concept, structure, inspiration and a number of moves are from Gomez's work. It's just that Daniil tried to adapt/ co-opt it for the ice, as best he could.So he took 10 seconds of shirt biting and maybe 2 moves from her video...
Yeah the song is gross, the performance is stupid asides that one spin.... ewwww to biting at clothes. I worked with child of multiple diagnoses who did that and we tried to break the habit lol.You guys got me to check out this song, and then a whole bunch of other popular stuff, and I hated it all, and now I feel old. Thanks a lot! On the bright side, I hated everything popular when I was young too, so maybe I'm just consistent, not out of touch.
If Medvedeva coveted this music, she should have taken it, shut up and get a program built to it like everybody does. It's not like she was the one who discovered the song and made it successful. If she has learnt her lesson now, next time, that's what she'll do. We see countless programs made to the same music every season and skaters don't complain "I heard it first". No one cares. I'm a fan of both Medvedeva and Zagitova and some of the sociopaths they have as "fans" are both despicable ans scary. I just hope no one of this demented bunch will ever get anywhere near them. As for Daniil copying Jojo's choreography, well, being copied means you've reached true success. To me Jojo was right claiming her work had been used without permission, DG apologized, now everybody's happy living in a beautiful world. End of story.To chose music that was publicly coveted by Medvedeva was so petty.
If there's something negative about Med it will definitely be brought here. If there's something negative about Zags it will likely be brought over here. Some people just like to take potshots at skaters for no reason.There was a huge campaign in Russian social media organized by Evgenia's fans who claimed that Alina stole Evgenia's song when they announced Bad Guy for Alina. I am surprised it was brought to this board however
In the Eilish video or the Gomez video?It was more than the shirt-biting. Come on. It was the whole concept, and the entire opening of dance moves we see in the Eilish video, starting from the on-ice sitting position, and the bending over move upon rising, plus attempting to approximate other moves from Gomez's dance throughout Alina's program. The concept, structure, inspiration and a number of moves are from Gomez's work. It's just that Daniil tried to adapt/ co-opt it for the ice, as best he could.
I never said that the quality of her choreo had anything to do with whether incorporating moves similar to her "choreo" was okay or not. I just said I wish it hadn't been because it's not very good.there’s some pretty whacked logic here: someone thinks that the song/choreo isn’t so great, so stealing the choreo is nothing much. No, if Gleikhengauz thought the choreo was great enough to copy the moves and the concept, your opinions about the song and the choreo don’t matter one bit. What matters is that he did copy them and didn’t give credit to JoJo - the fact you cannot deny since he admitted it himself.
All JoJo wanted is credit where credit is due. In case some smart heads can’t grasp the idea.
I really am not following your line of thinking.In the Eilish video or the Gomez video?
I cannot really be bothered to rewatch the program right now to see what else is borrowed upon / or inspired by apart from the opening 4 seconds (and , is there really a lot?) , but again I'm on the "so what" bandwagon, as this is a skating program, which other have mentioned have previously have borrowed from other pop videos / dance.
I honestly fail to see the outrage... what does Gomez want, money for using some moves similar to hers? If it's not money, to be consulted one using 3 moves similar to hers in a skating program? If she is so bothered that she wasn't consulted, and then why didn't she copyright these moves? I could sort of see her point, if this wasn't a skating program. The whole thing smacks of attention seeking. The sad thing, this so called choreography/program/ song are not that good (in my opinion at least), and it's not like it's needed at all to sell the shows, as Zagitova sells the shows just by herself. I wish they would scrap the whole thing and make a new program
Well, he did steal the moves - and from the moment he did, your opinion doesn’t change a single thing. He stole the concept, he didn’t credit JoJo with it, he even tried to evade responsibility until JoJo called him out. That’s totally not ok, no matter how many times you choose to repeat that the original choreo isn’t good.I never said that the quality of her choreo had anything to do with whether incorporating moves similar to her "choreo" was okay or not. I just said I wish it hadn't been because it's not very good.
He deletes just about everyone who posts something remotely negative about him; this isn't exclusive to this situationI really am not following your line of thinking.
He copied another choreographer's work without permission and didn't credit her. When he was informed about his actions by fans, he could have reached out to Jojo and explained the situation. Instead, he deleted the comments and blocked the posters. Jojo had every right to call him out publicly.
Except she did it in a very public way, which conceivably generates more attention. My line of thinking is that I just don't recall someone screaming about "Stealing" and "copyright" when (I'm sure) similar things have happened before in skating programs "borrowing" from other mediums...Furthermore, the second that Jojo posted that video on YouTube, she received copyright protection under U.S. law. Even if she had copyrighted the choreography, suing Daniil for copyright infringement is more time-consuming and expensive than it is worth, especially considering the fact that he is based in Russia. In most cases, an artist's most feasible option is to ask that they be credited - which is what Jojo did.
Jojo Gomez wants people to stop copying her choreo without giving her credit or acknowledgment. She was frustrated and called him out, rightfully so. He did apologized and gave her credit. Honestly, Daniil was not the first or will be the last to copy her work.I honestly fail to see the outrage... what does Gomez want, money for using some moves similar to hers?
They don’t have to, in case it never occurred to you.(I think I'm over this topic. It's obvious some of us are not going to see this the same way)
Sure but Stravinsky was also a genius who placed his own stamp on what he copped/ got inspired by.As Stravinsky said - - on film, used in the PBS Balanchine bio, - - " I steal from Mozart because I love him."
Why is this turned into poor Alina? The coach did a bad. Why try to twist it?- I personally very well understand JoJo's reaction when she saw first few seconds of Alina's programme, since the first 6 gestures are from her video. It is not a matter of "payment", it is a matter of what's in her perception "taking hers, without asking first". She said that she did not copyright it, or marked her video with any legal notifications, but still, her human reaction is normal. I can relate, because when few times people took my FSU russian translations and posted on their site, for me it was not about "money" or "credit", but "taking without asking".
- JoJo and her boyfriend Donovan (rudeboydonovan) have been now made aware of the "causes and reasons and story behind" all the hate and threats Alina has received on her social media last two days. Beside JoJo's request to stop hate against Alina, her boyfriend also felt he had to speak out and posted his request to stop:
- JoJo apparently is interested in visiting Russia, or possibly working with Alina, and both of them for example doing a "Puma" commercial, with her choreography and Alina's skating, is an interesting option, given the "Puma" market segment and target audience overlap with JoJo's audience demographics.
- Now. Daniil, on the other hand, has not done anything "sneaky" or "malicious" or "intentional. It is a misunderstanding, and it had to be resolved, since it came to this.
Most figure skating programmes are BASED on "copying something" from already existing "visual arts" pieces. Choreographers do watch videos of ballets, dance and theatre performances to use the parts in their programmes. So far it has NOT been a problem when one "watched a video" and "uses few moves/steps in the programme". It is reasonable that a choreographer will not make a connection between "steps in a video" and "a copyright" or "infringement issue" (unless it is noted on the video).
Plushenko's and Kostner's "Nizhinsky" programmes have exact copies of 3-4 moves from the "Faun" ballet.
Oksana Baul's "Dying Swan" has more than 8 element sequences from Anna Pavlova's ballet choreography.
The issue of using Michael Jackon's and Charlie Chaplin's "trade mark moves" is a gray area. But in the mind of a choreographer "here is a video of a choreography (which is obviously designed by someone)" and "here i am using a segment of it in a programme, and nobody complains".
When a pattern is established of "using videos with others' choreography in skating programmes without complaints", for so many years, it is reasonable to assume that "a video of someone dancing hip-hop" would be treated any differently in the mind of a choreographer. And that is what happened with Daniil.
There are many "dancing versions" of "Bad Guy". Over 15. JoJo's is just one of them. Most of the videos look like bunch of teenage girls/boys, or young adults, having a dance party, or a dance competition, or just dancing their school gym or studio, or girls showing off their dancing skills and abilities, or promoting themselves as dancers, or dance trainers.
None of these videos (en mass) look like a "business project with copyright issues" or "something of commercial value". I've shown these videos to people with legal background, and their reaction also was, pretty much "bunch of young people dancing". To the question "what about some titles of the videos saying Choreography By so-and-so", I received a number of legal explanations, which pretty much come down to "how much of the chore what used", "for what purpose (competition or not)", and that copyrighting choreography, or ethics issues of use, is a complex and a very tricky business.
Again, there are many "kids dancing to Big Guy, and doing choreography", en mass, they don't look like commercial projects, and "using few of their moves" does not ring a bell of "infringement on copyrights". JoJo's video is just one of them....
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Had Daniil even suspected a problem, he would not have OPENLY posted this foto over 2 months ago.