allezfred
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Doping is not just about building muscle.
IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics
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Doping is not just about building muscle.
lala
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Yes, I know... I just wanted to be short and simple..But my opinion is not changed.
I don't know wich doping is great for a figure skater or ice dancer during the preparation..
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ballettmaus
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Stuff that helps you with stamina, stuff that helps you concentrate especially when you're jet-lagged, stuff that helps you recover more quickly from sore muscles/a lot of training, maybe stuff that helps you control your weight. That's just from the top of my head.
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Agreed, Besides talent and/or natural flexibility you need long hours of hard work, strength and endurance. The doping gives you unnatural strength and endurance so you can work harder and longer which will improve your results. It gives you the ability to push your body far more than it is designed to do and the ability to recover quicker. Down the line it can cause chronic illness and even death but as long as your body holds out your results will be much better.
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There are many legal stuff for these problem and you can be sure every athletes use them in every country. For ex the athletes are lying in water with ice cubes because of the speedy recovery..
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barbarafan
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Would you like to list this stuff so we can check it out or are you just trying to justify doping?
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For ex the athletes are lying in water with ice cubes ( ice bath) because of the speedy recovery... and do you remember Helps' skin in Rio? What do you think why he did it?
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Cupping is like meldonium but not a pill. Neither really do anything! It’s old wives tale! Except pills are evil! Cupping is fine! RIDICULOUS! I don’t doubt cupping would be banned if it was Russian though.
Heroin to make the pain bearable after an injury (or morphine or ...)
Cocaine to get a booster effect (or cafeine or ...). Plus cocaine is an appetite suppressant that models use quite extensively.
Diuretics to lose some weight quickly and mask some other stuff.
Growth hormones which favor muscle gain without gaining weight (actually everything weight-related is of interest in figure skating, and everything about muscle-building coupled with weight control).
Everything related to stamina and recovery, ESPECIALLY during the off-season where there are far less controls.
Amphetamins against stress ...
Salbutamol to enhance breath capacity, hence blood oxygenation ...
Lots of stuff for everyone's need.
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This is very interesting. I had never heard of cupping in regards to sports. As a matter of fact I have only heard of cupping once, in early 2017 when I was attending aquatherapy for my shoulder and arm and one of the guys in my glass went to an accupuncturist for cupping on his shoulder to reduce pain. So Michael Phelps used cupping about twice a week during training to reduce the pain in his back and shoulders after hard workouts .Apparently it circulates the blood. So it is not something ingested which effects all your innards like drugs do but I am wondering if the way the cupping attacks blood vessels could cause cancer or heart conditions later on.
lala
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yes, a skater use everything what you mention and the nerves can't handle the pressure.....the concentration drops for a moment...etc. I don't believe it would be worth using them for a skater.
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lala
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The legal methods are always evolving.
OMG! Did I write "Helps????? What a ridiculous typo!!!!!
barbarafan
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The legal methods are always evolving.
OMG! Did I write "Helps????? What a ridiculous typo!!!!!
You threw me off. I do know Michael Phelps in swimming but I did not watch Rio Olympics except a bit of gymnastics...(my shoulder injuries were new and I was taking codeine and anti-imflamatories and was in terrible pain) sO I was googling Help-skin-Rio Olympics which just took me to Rio needs help to pay Olympic debt...Anyways I finally found it so all is well.
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lala
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Oh, so sorry... I hope you are fine now !
lala
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OMG! I didn't know about Bowman!
This is a pretty impressive list. It would be good to see who has ever been caught using those...
Not sure about Bowman, I think his skating went downhill pretty fast after he started using drugs.
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And, unfortunately, the chemical stuff is often more effective.
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It is ok...I can't believe I didn't catch right away that Helpa was Phelps. MY arm is still kinda sad. I dislocated it 3 times in 18 hrs and found out a few wks later that there were fractures as well. During physio the physiotherapist checked my file because of the noise my shoulder made everytime I moved it and on the c-scan there was a piece of bone missing . I work it all the time to strengthen it and am going to the Y to swim weekly and I take 1 mild fitness class which I think is helping. Thank-you for asking.
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It made him erratic and did impact his performance.
Note that Bowman was never caught while cocaine tests were already available and working.
Anyway, few athletes are ever caught for the main doping products.
Those who are spotted are usually caught for masking agents.
Diuretics. Probenecid. Finasterid. (Salbutamol is not even illegal)
Plus the methods are evolving with micro-doses techniques or other ways
Experts agree that doping is years ahead of anti-doping techniques.
Biggest doping cases started not by random tests but by leaks/ luck, when investigators knew precisely what they were looking for and involved police authorities.
Balco - anonymous gives a sample of doping product which is then tested among the athletes
Armstrong - Floyd Landis gave him and his system away while Armstrong was suspected for years, without success.
Festina - it's a custom control at 6am that found lots of doping material in a car of a cycling team, 3 days before the start of the tour de France.
Worlds
1987 : 7th
1988 : 5th
1989 : 2nd
1990 : 3rd
1991 : 5th
1992 : 4th
U.S. Champ
1987 : 2nd
1988 : 3rd
1989 : 1st
1990 : wd
1991 : 2nd
1992 : 1st
I'd say that's respectably erratic AFA non-medically supervised drug use go.
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You know, if there are limited/no adverse consequences to using such substances, I really don't see anything wrong with taking something to recover more quickly from jetlag or from muscle soreness. Clean sport should be about fair play and an even playing field, not about making athletes suffer.
There are so many things that are performance enhancing yet perfectly legal - gear, nutrition, supplements, legal substances etc. - that the line sometimes seems quite arbitrary to me. Of course, if recovery is sped up, people may be tempted to overtrain, and that's something that needs to be dealt with. But the focus, IMO, needs to be on athletes' health and not whether something is performance enhancing.
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Except there are adverse effects, athletes have died or had their health ruined from taking performance enhancing drugs. That is why they are banned. Here is just one example:
“Erythropoietin is a type of hormone used to treat anemia in people with severe kidney disease. It increases production of red blood cells and hemoglobin, resulting in improved movement of oxygen to the muscles. Epoetin, a synthetic form of erythropoietin, is commonly used by endurance athletes.
Risks
Erythropoietin use among competitive cyclists was common in the 1990s and allegedly contributed to at least 18 deaths. Inappropriate use of erythropoietin may increase the risk of thrombotic events, such as stroke, heart attack and pulmonary embolism.”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-...epth/performance-enhancing-drugs/art-20046134
The legal methods are always evolving.
OMG! Did I write "Helps????? What a ridiculous typo!!!!!
I was trying to make sense out of that until I realized that you meant Phelps. LOL.
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Sure, from some drugs that are banned one can suffer quite serious harm if taking unregulated. But not from all. Just curious, who died from Meldonium that they felt so strongly about?
In that case caffeine should be banned because it helps you stay awake. Whatever helps you get over jet lag faster should be banned. Miso broth should be banned because it helps concentrate better.
I am sure there are other ridiculous examples.
I assume you are being sarcastic.
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It is a drug for people with serious heart conditions and has side affects that may include irregular heartbeat. Healthy young athletes should not be taking this stuff unless they have a medical reason to do so.
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This is getting interesting... 
International Ski Federation (ISF) is now accused of hiding an extensive data base of doping which took place between 2001 and present. Biggest offenders are: Russia, Germany, Austria, Norway, South Korea, etc..
https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/nordic-skiing-fresh-doping-scandal-on-eve-of-255229.html
“The database contains the results of more than 10,000 blood tests from 2,000 winter sports stars, according to The Sunday Times.
It also shows that about a third of all medals, including 91 golds, have been won in the Olympics and world championships since 2001 by skiers who have recorded suspicious tests.
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The secret data also reveals that more than 50 South Korean skiers on the qualification list recorded unusual blood test scores, suggesting they could have cheated in the past but escaped punishment.”
ISF denies, stating “high red cell count is blood is normal for skiers”.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/arti...bout-cross-country-skiers-at-pyeongchang-2018
IOC is now also considering removing Boxing from Summer Olympics (for all countries) because of governance issues. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...yo-games-because-governance-issues/304686002/
International Ski Federation (ISF) is now accused of hiding an extensive data base of doping which took place between 2001 and present. Biggest offenders are: Russia, Germany, Austria, Norway, South Korea, etc..
https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/nordic-skiing-fresh-doping-scandal-on-eve-of-255229.html
“The database contains the results of more than 10,000 blood tests from 2,000 winter sports stars, according to The Sunday Times.
It also shows that about a third of all medals, including 91 golds, have been won in the Olympics and world championships since 2001 by skiers who have recorded suspicious tests.
...
The secret data also reveals that more than 50 South Korean skiers on the qualification list recorded unusual blood test scores, suggesting they could have cheated in the past but escaped punishment.”
ISF denies, stating “high red cell count is blood is normal for skiers”.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/arti...bout-cross-country-skiers-at-pyeongchang-2018
IOC is now also considering removing Boxing from Summer Olympics (for all countries) because of governance issues. https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...yo-games-because-governance-issues/304686002/
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