IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics

[hanca]

I'm with you. I wrote it not once on these pages...

And I am talking about all drugs, not only asthma, but also ADHD medications and any other medications. Either allowed for all athletes, or banned for all athletes. No medical exceptions.

 

[Twilight1]

So people with asthma, heart disease, blood pressure problems, mental health issues, etc are banned from competitive sport because poor Russians could not get away with taking a drug cocktail of steroids?

 

[Tinami Amori]

The "secret of the white scarf"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDc-7Ycoxk

 

[barbarafan]

No, you didn’t say that she deserved gold, but you expressed so much feelings of unhappiness about Russians being able to take part, that I am just wondering whether your nationalism went as far as hoping to get rid of any skaters that were standing between Osmond and the gold medal.

OMG another conspiracy....Your talents are wasted on this forum....Did you get turned down by the KGB/FSB?

 

[Tinami Amori]

No, you didn’t say that she deserved gold, but you expressed so much feelings of unhappiness about Russians being able to take part, that I am just wondering whether your nationalism went as far as hoping to get rid of any skaters that were standing between Osmond and the gold medal.

... and don't you doubt it..

 

[Twilight1]

The "secret of the white scarf"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDc-7Ycoxk

Ya hardly a shocker.

Not sure where anyone would expect respect there...

 

[Tinami Amori]

Ya hardly a shocker.

Not sure where anyone would expect respect there...

IOC approved these uniforms, they knew the jacket had a flag and requested that it is covered up (in order not to make a bunch of new jackets) so in case the ban is lifted and flag is allowed for closing ceremony, the uniform can be easily converted, instead of taking 2 jackets.....

 

[Twilight1]

Easy to hand them out at the end right?

Just another thumb the nose at TPTB.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Easy to hand them out at the end right?

Just another thumb the nose at TPTB.

The point was to not show any Russian flags at official events. That was done, exactly as agreed. "Hidden flags" is not an issue, not any different than if they wore "flag color" undergarments...

 

[misskarne]

Just another thumb the nose at TPTB.

TPTB were the ones who made and handed the jackets out

We get it, we get it, you're overjoyed that Russia had the ban and innocent Russian athletes were forbidden to go for the crime of being Russian.

 

[Twilight1]

TPTB were the ones who made and handed the jackets out

We get it, we get it, you're overjoyed that Russia had the ban and innocent Russian athletes were forbidden to go for the crime of being Russian.

If holding people accountable for their illegal bahaviour is overjoyed sure I am "overjoyed"

It is terrible for someone to have values of accountability, honesty and integrity right. How "awful" of me...

 

[Twilight1]

P.S. I am sure it was also TPTB that encouraged Russian hockey players to belt out their anthem during the medal ceremonies too right?

 

[misskarne]

If holding people accountable for their illegal bahaviour is overjoyed sure I am "overjoyed"

What illegal behaviour had Stolbova and Klimov engaged in that deserved to have them banned from the Games?

It is terrible for someone to have values of accountability, honesty and integrity right. How "awful" of me...

Of course it is when you're holding the wrong people accountable. Be pissed off at the Russian PTB. Don't take it out on innocent athletes.

P.S. I am sure it was also TPTB that encouraged Russian hockey players to belt out their anthem during the medal ceremonies too right?

I'm sure they didn't but I'm so glad they did because they had done nothing wrong and deserved to have full enjoyment of their moment.

 

[Alilou]

And I am talking about all drugs, not only asthma, but also ADHD medications and any other medications. Either allowed for all athletes, or banned for all athletes. No medical exceptions.

So what about Hanyu who AFAIK takes asthma medication? He should be banned?

 

[Twilight1]

misskarne- please read over post 2030 here before spouting lies thanks...

And being joyful about a Russian team flipping the middle finger at TPTB despite their government supporting doping is really a reflection on YOUR values not mine.

But it's cool... you support lying, cheating, betraying, covering up, and also betraying the Olympic spirit because it fits your moral compass.

I strongly feel otherwise.

 

[Tinami Amori]

There are a lot of simple fun facts after the Olys..... no need to argue, really.

The games are finished, Russians back into IOC. Zagitova, Medvedeva, the whole Russian Team Event, Hockey Gold winners, and other medalists got:
BMS's, $65,000 USD for Gold, $40,000 USD for Silver, $25,000 USD for Bronze.... Zagitova and Medvedeva got 2 of each, Japanese fans sent Zagitova a puppy, Corporate sponsors tripping over themselves to sign the girls up.... Everyone is happy now... Russians forgot about all the troubles already.
http://www.sport-express.ru/olympic...-v-nepravilnyh-avtomobilyah-bmv-foto-1378742/

Russian flag was there where it was supposed to be, above the podium....
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/sports/olympics/womens-figure-skating.html

 

[ballettmaus]

So people with asthma, heart disease, blood pressure problems, mental health issues, etc are banned from competitive sport because poor Russians could not get away with taking a drug cocktail of steroids?

From the number of athletes who say they have asthma, I wouldn't be surprised if there are athletes who are abusing asthma medication. I have no idea about how many athletes take meds for heart disease or blood pressure, that's why I'm only mentioning asthma. I'm also sure there are legitimate cases and I have no idea how the legitimate cases could be distinguished from the cheaters, I'm just saying that I think it's likely that there is abuse of the meds taken for some of the conditions you listed.

 

[misskarne]

But it's cool... you support lying, cheating, betraying, covering up, and also betraying the Olympic spirit because it fits your moral compass.

I strongly feel otherwise.

So you're perfectly okay with Carolina Kostner competing in the Olympics even though she knowingly and wilfully lied, cheated, betrayed, covered up, and betrayed the Olympic spirit, but you're violently against innocent athletes who have done absolutely nothing wrong competing.

 

[allezfred]

What Russia got was a pathetic slap on the wrist. 2 skaters couldn't compete for a bullshyte surfacy punishment.

It was actually four skaters who couldn't compete and for reasons we still don't know why. The lack of transparency around this decision should be extremely worrying to anyone with a sense of fair play. And yet it's bad enough for them to be barred from the Olympics, but they can compete at Europeans and Worlds. It makes no sense at all.

 

[MacMadame]

So you're perfectly okay with Carolina Kostner competing in the Olympics even though she knowingly and wilfully lied, cheated, betrayed, covered up, and betrayed the Olympic spirit

I'm not okay with it or her! But she did her time within the rules so I'm not going to scream about it.

It was actually four skaters who couldn't compete and for reasons we still don't know why. The lack of transparency around this decision should be extremely worrying to anyone with a sense of fair play.

The lack of transparency is definitely an issue. I'm assuming at this point that if the ROC or the RSSF were told the reasons it would have leaked out. Unless they are a lot better at keeping secrets than other organizations like that. Which I supposed is possible but unlikely.

And yet it's bad enough for them to be barred from the Olympics, but they can compete at Europeans and Worlds. It makes no sense at all.

That's right. It makes no sense that two different organization with overlapping but not identical missions would have similar but not identical rules about who can participate!

 

[Twilight1]

People are assuming I think they should be arbitrary in punishment... I am not.

People assume that I don't believe in transparency... I do.

People assume because I believe in punishment against the Russian team... I am against all Russian athletes. That is false.

But do keep making assumptions about my integrity.

I will sit back and read the entertainment...

 

[Twilight1]

From the number of athletes who say they have asthma, I wouldn't be surprised if there are athletes who are abusing asthma medication. I have no idea about how many athletes take meds for heart disease or blood pressure, that's why I'm only mentioning asthma. I'm also sure there are legitimate cases and I have no idea how the legitimate cases could be distinguished from the cheaters, I'm just saying that I think it's likely that there is abuse of the meds taken for some of the conditions you listed.

copying and pasting from earlier

Hyperpnoea with cold dry air represents a significant environmental stress to airways and it has been previously reported that exposure to cold air cause parasympathetic stimulation of airways, contributing to EIB.[30] It has been observed that during one competitive winter season, adolescent cross-country skiers develop signs of inflammation (lymphoid follicles and deposition of tenascin) in their bronchial biopsies.[31]"

Source- http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/all.13224/full

 

[Twilight1]

So you're perfectly okay with Carolina Kostner competing in the Olympics even though she knowingly and wilfully lied, cheated, betrayed, covered up, and betrayed the Olympic spirit, but you're violently against innocent athletes who have done absolutely nothing wrong competing.

I had no idea that Kostner was supported by the Italian government for a state run doping strategy. Who helped her pass clean urine and supported her in this endeavour?

This is a fascinating retelling of her situation. Please share your

 

[kwanfan1818]

Plus, Kostner never confronted the actual cheater, nor reamed his ass and insisted he turn himself in, which he did.

Oh, wait...

She should have brought them to court for showing up on her property, which was not listed on his mandatory whereabouts list, after following him. They had no right to be there or ask her anything.

 

[allezfred]

That's right. It makes no sense that two different organization with overlapping but not identical missions would have similar but not identical rules about who can participate!

If you are banned for doping related offences, then depending on when you got caught you are banned from all competitions, Olympic or not. There is no doping violation with a ban that I know of that says "you're good to go for every competition except the Olympics."

 

[MacMadame]

If you don't know about such a doping violation, you didn't read the press release that the IOC put out that listed some rules that other groups don't have.

Plus, Kostner never confronted the actual cheater, nor reamed his ass and insisted he turn himself in, which he did.

And yet after that, she continued to lie to the investigators and only changed her story when they would present evidence that they knew she was lying. Several times.

 

[kwanfan1818]

And yet after that, she continued to lie to the investigators and only changed her story when they would present evidence that they knew she was lying. Several times.

She was an idiot. I don't know what she was thinking.

 

[DELTA]

copying and pasting from earlier

Hyperpnoea with cold dry air represents a significant environmental stress to airways and it has been previously reported that exposure to cold air cause parasympathetic stimulation of airways, contributing to EIB.[30] It has been observed that during one competitive winter season, adolescent cross-country skiers develop signs of inflammation (lymphoid follicles and deposition of tenascin) in their bronchial biopsies.[31]"

Source- http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/all.13224/full

Surprisingly it affects Norwegian skiers the most.

 

[Twilight1]

DELTA- It affects athletes from all extremely north cold climates... including Russia, Finland, Sweden, USA (Alaska) and Canada etc.

but please share your peer reviewed article to counter the one I linked above.

 

[hanca]

So what about Hanyu who AFAIK takes asthma medication? He should be banned?

He shouldn’t be banned. He should decide whether he needs them badly enough, or whether is there is any alternative drug that is not banned. If he can’t be without them and if there are no alternatives, then he is not physically healthy to compete while being drug free. Alternatively, they could make it non banned drug - allowed for everyone.