IOC's decision: (clean) Russian athletes can compete under neutral flag at PyeongChang Olympics

Extraordinary

Appeals upheld – no ADRV – sanctions annulled
Dmitry Trunenkov (bobsleigh)
Aleksei Negodailo (bobsleigh)

Olga Stulneva (bobsleigh)
Liudmila Udobkina (bobsleigh)
Aleksander Tretiakov (skeleton)
Sergei Chudinov (skeleton)

Elena Nikitina (skeleton)
Olga Potylitsyna (skeleton)
Maria Orlova (skeleton)
Alexander Legkov (cross-country skiing)
Evgeniy Belov (cross-country skiing)
Maxim Vylegzhanin (cross-country skiing)
Alexey Petukhov (cross-country skiing)
Nikita Kryukov (cross-country skiing)
Alexander Bessmertnykh (cross-country skiing)
Evgenia Shapovalova (cross-country skiing)
Natalia Matveeva (cross-country skiing)

Olga Fatkulina (speed skating)
Alexander Rumyantsev (speed skating)
Ivan Skobrev (speed skating)
Artem Kuznetcov (speed skating)
Tatyana Ivanova (luge)
Albert Demchenko (luge)
 
Extraordinary continued!!!

Ekaterina Lebedeva (ice hockey) Ekaterina Pashkevich (ice hockey) Tatiana Burina (ice hockey)
Anna Shchukina (ice hockey) Ekaterina Smolentseva (ice hockey)
Appeals partially upheld – ADRV confirmed
Aleksandr Zubkov (bobsleigh) Alexey Voevoda (bobsleigh) Alexander Kasyanov (bobsleigh) Aleksei Pushkarev (bobsleigh) Ilvir Khuzin (bobsleigh)
Julia Ivanova (cross-country skiing)
Yulia Chekaleva (cross-country skiing) Anastasia Dotsenko (cross-country skiing) Galina Skiba (ice hockey)
Anna Shibanova (ice hockey)
Inna Dyubanok (ice hockey)
Hearing postponed
Olga Zaytseva (biathlon) Olga Vilukhina (biathlon) Yana Romanova (biathlon)
 
Apologies

Both CAS panels unanimously found that the evidence put forward by the IOC in relation to this matter did not have the same weight in each individual case. In 28 cases, the evidence collected was found to be insufficient to establish that an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) was committed by the athletes concerned. With respect to these 28 athletes, the appeals are upheld, the sanctions annulled and their individual results achieved in Sochi 2014 are reinstated.
 
I wonder what was the purpose of all this. To disrupt the athletes’ preparation? Having this amount of stress, not knowing whether they will be competing just two weeks before the event, definitely would impact on how they are prepared for the event.
 
hanca said:
I wonder what was the purpose of all this. To disrupt the athletes’ preparation? Having this amount of stress, not knowing whether they will be competing just two weeks before the event, definitely would impact on how they are prepared for the event.
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They don't have to still invite these athletes, since They are not going compete for Russia but OAR. Also, IOC is apparently under no obligation to give any evidence... At least most of them get to keep their medals
 
Domshabfan said:
They don't have to still invite these athletes, since They are not going compete for Russia but OAR. Also, IOC is apparently under no obligation to give any evidence... At least most of them get to keep their medals
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The Russian side, by submitting a list with a number of athletes less than the number "invited", has room.

Since this is a serious issue, the uphold of the Appeals, it is best to look at the official court documents, and not "assume" or make speculations. We have about a week before the Olys, and some of us have to work while keeping up with the sport, so lets stay with facts and not have 1001 pages of "interpretations".

http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Media_Release__decision_RUS_IOC_.pdf
 
Tinami Amori said:
The Russian side, by submitting a list with a number of athletes less than the number "invited", has room.

Since this is a serious issue, the uphold of the Appeals, it is best to look at the official court documents, and not "assume" or make speculations. We have about a week before the Olys, and some of us have to work while keeping up with the sport, so lets stay with facts and not have 1001 pages of "interpretations".

http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Media_Release__decision_RUS_IOC_.pdf
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If your such a serious worker, you are not obliged to respond to my post. The fact is there was 19 odd criteria that IOC has put out, including being mentioned in the McLaren report. The right thing for IOC to do is to invite these athletes including the athletes who did not fail any dope test like Stolbova. However, I am not at all hopeful for these athletes.
 
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This is just a whole mess

and a big blow against the IOC (as if it needed one more)

Sochi Games will be tainted forever
 
The IOC really handled all that mess in the worst possible way.
It has fuelled people with theories and suspicions. Even in ten years, Bukin will have that cloud upon his head. Really, I hate the way they've handled all this.
 
Tinami Amori said:
@Domshabfan
only the first line was follow up (not an argument) to your post.

the rest in general. i did not mean to offend you. sorry.
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Apology accepted

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1060890/ioc-claim-russians-successful-in-overturning-sanctions-not-assured-of-invite-to-pyeongchang-2018

It makes it clear that, since the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC) is suspended, Russian athletes can participate in Pyeongchang only on invitation by the IOC.

“The result of the CAS decision does not mean that athletes from the group of 28 will be invited to the Games.

“Not being sanctioned does not automatically confer the privilege of an invitation.
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“In this context, it is also important to note that, in his press conference, the CAS Secretary General insisted that the CAS decision “…does not mean that these 28 athletes are declared innocent”.
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As I said before, IOC does what it wants.
 
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Vash01 said:
I believe China had done plenty of state sponsored cheating in the summer Olympics, but nobody raised a flag. When it comes to Russia, they are presumed guilty, using all kinds of criteria (the recent Meldonium case for example). Since East Germany doesnt exist anymore, those mistakes by the IOC cannot be corrected, but China got away with some cheating (e.g. Changing birth dates of some gymnasts to make them eligible when they were not. Its not doping but it is cheating)
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The difference between China & Russia when it comes to state sponsored doping schemes is that a number of things have changed in the couple of decades since the Chinese doping was believed to be widespread, particularly with testing. In addition, the evidence of a Chinese doping scheme has never materialized. Lots of speculation, athletes who had amazing performances one year and then disappeared the next particularly in swimming and athletics, but nothing to tie everything together and prove a doping scheme.
 
What an absolute farce. Might as well just ban all the Russians from participating. What's the difference? All the joy has been taken out of the experience anyway. Fighting doping is important. Fighting doping against one country, whatever the idiotic political excuses are, is a farce that's going to backfire, spectacularly. The IOC is handling their best Stalin-like manner. Guilty till proven innocent. The baby has been thrown out with the bathwater. The concept of fairness is sacrificed to achieve "fairness". The end justifies the means. No it doesn't. So lets all congratulate the IOC on the upcoming clean Olympic experience. With dude-looking Chinese speedskaters, and god knows what else. Because we all know, it's just the Russians that dope. And how can we forget the Summer Olympics with sexually abused and starved American children (yes, that's what female gymnasts are) and their glorified medals, and CLEAN American and Canadian track and field athletes. Congrats all around.
 
Vash01 said:
I believe China had done plenty of state sponsored cheating in the summer Olympics, but nobody raised a flag. When it comes to Russia, they are presumed guilty, using all kinds of criteria (the recent Meldonium case for example). Since East Germany doesnt exist anymore, those mistakes by the IOC cannot be corrected, but China got away with some cheating (e.g. Changing birth dates of some gymnasts to make them eligible when they were not. Its not doping but it is cheating)
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The Chinese gymnasts who were caught up in the age falsifying were stripped of their medals and placements, both at 1999 Worlds and the 2000 Olympics: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/gymnastics/8649850.stm

I don't know if there were any repercussions for the Chinese gymnastics or Olympic organizing bodies.
 
Domshabfan said:
Apology accepted

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1060890/ioc-claim-russians-successful-in-overturning-sanctions-not-assured-of-invite-to-pyeongchang-2018



As I said before, IOC does what it wants.
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The CAS statement contradicts your conclusions. As a court, CAS can't "convict" without a preponderance of evidence and that's why they took pains to say that it DOESN'T mean those 28 athletes are innocent.

As a governing body, the IOC is free to impose that long list of criteria on athletes from a banned country, it's not a court. We all believe that Stolbova and Bukin were probably not invited on a technicality like medications without TUEs, because skaters really don't benefit from doping. But we don't know for sure, and in the meantime the IOC is trying for a balanced reaction to the biggest state-sponsored doping scandal in modern history.
 
PRlady said:
The CAS statement contradicts your conclusions. As a court, CAS can't "convict" without a preponderance of evidence and that's why they took pains to say that it DOESN'T mean those 28 athletes are innocent.

As a governing body, the IOC is free to impose that long list of criteria on athletes from a banned country, it's not a court. We all believe that Stolbova and Bukin were probably not invited on a technicality like medications without TUEs, because skaters really don't benefit from doping. But we don't know for sure, and in the meantime the IOC is trying for a balanced reaction to the biggest state-sponsored doping scandal in modern history.
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And failing.

I tend to be sympathetic to people working in institutions. I had a lot to say in defense of USFSA over the choices for the Olympic team. I'm not one who automatically thinks the people in authority are corrupt or totally incompetent.

But in this case, I think the IOC has harmed individual athletes for no defensible reason. And they don't deserve to be let off the hook of criticism just because its a tough job they are in charge of.
 
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