Ice dance costumes

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Just wondering randomly..around what time did ice dance costumes stop looking like rags and start looking cleaner.. looking at 2007 Worlds and before, just so many hideous costumes and sometimes styling, I feel like it's the 80s and not just 10 years ago? Did the change from "full on drama" programs have something to do with it?

Most of the top ice dancers today are well styled...Yes there are misses but the rags are not in vogue anymore they were 10 years ago...and actually I think if someone wore something from around that time, they would stick out like a sore thumb
 
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Well I think everything goes through phases and also reflects street fashion at the time.

This is the ice dance podium at 1970 European Championships and as you can see, very clean costumes with simple dresses for the ladies and suits for the men.

I think as ice dance has become more athletic with the lifts that the very dramatic costumes can't work as they would get tangled. Also when the compulsory dance was still around, the ice dancers would wear dresses that more closely resembled ballroom dancing costumes.

But I wouldn't be surprised if the fashion changes again. Dance's biggest challenge at the moment is to avoid looking like pairs lite, so I can certainly see there being an appeal to bringing back more theatrical costumes to make it seem more unique.

Every team is always looking for something to make them stand out from everyone else. Dance costumes have been getting more and more minimalist these past two quads, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if it starts to move in the opposite direction.
 
I'm not an ice dance historian and I didn't really follow skating in the aughts when dramatic rags reigned supreme, but my impression is that the rise of Detroit and Zueva had something to do with the changing fashion.

Which reminds me... I remember a podcast where Meryl Davis talked about ice dance fashion. Don't remember exactly what she said or how much detail there was to the discussion (it was one of those "figure skating 101 for dummies" things from around the Olys) but I think she talked about the influence of modern dance.

Just did some googling and it probably was this podcast.
 
I seemed to remember a Marina Zoueva interview where she mention Sergei Grinkov was a believer in simpler costume because he thinks it should be the skating skills and performance that should be showcased not the lavish elaborate costumes. Marina brought that philosophy when she started coaching ice dance. Although I cannot say if the trend started with her or already been going around 2 quads ago
 
FWIW, a long-time high-level skating coach opined to me that the "rags" look was a tool popularized by the Russians to highlight speed - loose pieces of fabric billow in the wind created by movement and draw attention to speed, which is a historical strength of the Russians. It may also reflect Russians typical preference for dramatic impression.

My guess is that the trend towards less costume clutter is probably rooted in a number of factors, principally the level of athleticism required in lifts today. I would imagine that stray pieces of fabric would be more likely to separate from the costume under the stress of the handling required for today's complicated lifts, which could be both dangerous and lead to a deduction. As well, as the scoring of dance has become more quantitative under the IJS, the trend towards sparer costumes may be intended to draw attention more to the feet than overall impression.

Or it could just be that fashion comes and goes. To paraphrase Heidi Klum, in fashion, one day it's in, and the next day, it's OUT.
 
I don't know when exactly the aesthetic changed, but I remember thinking how beautiful and classic Dubreuil and Lauzon looked in 2006 and 2007, compared to their competitors.
 
I don't know when exactly the aesthetic changed, but I remember thinking how beautiful and classic Dubreuil and Lauzon looked in 2006 and 2007, compared to their competitors.
The 2007 picture is wonderful.
I think it goes with a trend. D/L were quite current, especially her, she tries to keep it current. The younger skaters coming were everything but OTT :

Davis/White 2008 : https://goo.gl/images/HaKMgH
Virtue/Moir 2008 : https://goo.gl/images/NstakY
Davis/White 2010 : https://goo.gl/images/9xAMYW
Virtue/Moir 2010 : https://goo.gl/images/UeUfBm
Again, since these teams were winning, they set the trend. It's not just programs, music and skating that is replicated, the style is also.
There is a focus on skating instead of adding unecessary things to try to tell a story. But it's great because it turned out more elegant in the following quad.
And this is why where I live, people have this image of Ice Dance, which makes it outdated. The costumes pre-2007 were horrifying.
Although the 2014-2018 quad in Ice Dance is the most sober of all time in terms of costuming, which made me a very very happy Ice Dance fan. It does go with the trend this days, kind of contemporary, almost sporty, yet stylish and elegant. Very current and very 2018 I think.

I think we have to give credit to Marina Zueva on this trend though. Her teams always looked super elegant.
 
I remember Tessa’s always said that they want their skating to speak for itself, rather than their costumes.
 
I thought Tessa's FD costumes last year did a very apt job of looking like rags, especially the brown one.

While I can see the theory about athleticism impacting costume style, it sure didn't seem to limit the long swinging fringe earrings this season. Generally, I would just go with Bitty Bug's theory. Fashion. It comes & goes, and it's very cultural. Fifteen years from now, everything will look out of date.

Regardless of the year, you win some & you lose some. Especially when you take into account the changing SD rhythms and the attempts to dress the part of a specific era. Most teams have hits and misses.
 
I remember when I first watched Ice Dance during the Vancouver, I was really struck by the difference between V/M's FD costumes and D/S and B/A's.
 
I was going to say I don't think I subscribe to the athleticism theory... I think while lifts have become a lot more athletic and complicated, they were still athletic at the time the rags were around

I have to say I'm very happy this esthetic is gone because it didn't did the sport any favors whatsoever

I am just honestly surprised it only started to change post 2007.
 
^Domnina and Shabalin always had terrible, tasteless costumes...

Unfortunately this is often the case with many Russian/Soviet teams. Look at teams like Bestemianova & Bukin, Klimova & Ponomarenko, and Grishuk & Platov. So many of their costumes were major eye-sores.
 
FiT museum (fashion Institute of technology) in NYC should do an exhibition on ice dance costumes evolution :lol:

It's kind of a niche subject but I would go

They always have great exhibits
 
I think you have always had a mixed bag of costumes in the dance event. P&C keep it probably the most simple out of all the teams because they do let the skating do the talking and it enhances their bodies (particularly his hmmmm).

The Russians have always tended to verve towards the garish. Maybe it is about keeping Russian costume makers employed.
 
Just wondering randomly..around what time did ice dance costumes stop looking like rags and start looking cleaner.. looking at 2007 Worlds and before, just so many hideous costumes and sometimes styling, I feel like it's the 80s and not just 10 years ago? Did the change from "full on drama" programs have something to do with it?
Oh, this one is easy.
It started in 2004 with the apparition in junior ice dance of Zoé Blanc and Pierre-Loup Bouquet and the school of Villard de Lans.
The costumes of the dancers of Villard are designed by their coach / choreographer Karine Arribert. At the time, they looked like no one else's (they are still very distinctive but less than they used to, because ice-dance has played catch up a little bit), very modern, often tight on the upper male body (Cizeron's costumes often make me think of a more classical take of Villard's costumes), with a play on different types of fabrics, diagonal cuts, different forms, very graphic, very similar between man and woman (Villard dancers don't skate as opposites or male / female characters in a story, the same way Papadakis / Cizeron have done in large part, except that Villard's costumes follow that rule too ; if Arribert could have a couple dressed both in sarouel trousers, she would but ice-dance is pretty adverse to this kind of thing)
The first to notice that was the school of Lyon. And most of all, Péchalat / Bourzat who were young dancers, ex-clones of Anissina / Bourzat and were trying to find a personality and direction.
They found a stylist in 2006, Marlene Weber, who would work on new fabrics, new cuts. The change is obvious for them between 2005-2006 and 2006-2007. They started to make strong artistic propositions, far from what was the norm in ice-dance, costume and music-wise, which helped legitimize the trend.
What is funny is that there are 2 ice-dance schools in Lyon. One who moved on quickly from the russian styles from 2006 to something much closer to Villard (Zazoui's school) and one who did only after quite a long period of time (Cedric Pernet's Baraban school). So watching the french juniors was quite the stylistic contrast for a few years.

Because they had 0 stylistic complex, Villard broke the inhibitions linked to the russian dominance while Russia was still the powerhouse. All the dancers who grew up with Zoé and Pierre-Loup started to make stylistic changes as their career went on.
Villard had the same effect on musical choices.
If anyone is skating on anything remotely "modern", that's because Villard did, without complex and without asking anyone's permission. And they paid for it dearly. They were litterally depressed by their discipline when they left ice-dance in 2011. They didn't have the level to be respected and ice-dance powers spent their time trying to force them into something more "acceptable".

As Arribert is the goddess of the discipline of ballet/theatre on ice, one can also say that ballet / theatre on ice rejuvenated ice-dance through its best representative. And OMG how much modern and interesting ballet / theatre on ice looked then compared to ice-dance (still does). It was looking young and fun as ice-dance was looking so old and tacky.


Blanc Bouquet 2004-2005 (their 2nd music would still be fabulously modern today)
Blanc Bouquet 2005-2006 (yes, their hair are blue)
Blanc Bouquet 2006-2007 (can't find this one, it was on the superb It's a man's man's world by Sekouba Bambino)
Blanc Bouquet 2007-2008, also their SD as they were the first to skate on Bollywood music. No actually they did that 3 seasons before, but not for an indian folk dance. 1st year senior.
Blanc Bouquet 2008-2009
Blanc Bouquet 2009-2010
Blanc Bouquet 2010-2011

They were aliens from another planet.
I miss them. A lot.
 
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