I think your second sentence sort of defeats your first sentence. So many skaters didn't make the Olympics or skate well there and was still hungry for Worlds. Nathan, Kazuki, Kaetlyn, Wakaba, and even Satoko totally skated their best at 2018 Worlds. And don't forget Tatsuki and Mao at 2014 Worlds. They might not have won the big prize at the Olympics but they skated great at Worlds. It would be a great pity if these performances were lost due to post-Olympic Worlds not being held.
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I think your second sentence sort of defeats your first sentence. So many skaters didn't make the Olympics or skate well there and was still hungry for Worlds. Nathan, Kazuki, Kaetlyn, Wakaba, and even Satoko totally skated their best at 2018 Worlds. And don't forget Tatsuki and Mao at 2014 Worlds. They might not have won the big prize at the Olympics but they skated great at Worlds. It would be a great pity if these performances were lost due to post-Olympic Worlds not being held.
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For a little while after placing second at Skate America and taking gold at Skate Canada, USA's Alissa Czisny was being talked about as a potential medal winner in Torino.
Too bad she fell apart at the Grand Prix Final and the national championships.
Too bad she fell apart at the Grand Prix Final and the national championships.
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Absolutely ! Alissa skated so well at the beginning of the season. I loved her SP, and her spins were to die for !
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I remember!!! I thought who was this Czisny new girl and why do I like her waay more than I ever liked Kwan. But Then she became an ultimate traintrewck.
And Daisuke Takahashi would not be a World Champion if there were no post-Olympics Worlds.
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I mean if the post-Olympic Worlds was meaningless, then what was Surya Bonaly crying about?
Because it was her worst silver medaling performance for the 3 silver medals she won.
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It really was and that's why I find it funny that out of all the silver medals that's the one she decided to throw a tantrum about. I wonder if Suzanne Bonaly felt Yuka Sato was an easy target making assumptions about her demeanor and culture and stuff.
I was quietly hopeful but wasn't even sure if she would make the US team because there was Cohen and Kwan, and then Meissner had the 3axel hype and the Kwan-esque Salome-esque program, and people liked Hughes because of her sister and the potential story. Meissner was throwing out 3/3s (that received full credit for some unknown reason) since 2005 and was the big hype to succeed Kwan and Cohen after 2006.
I felt the US team would be so wonderful to watch with those spiral and spins if Czisny were to edge out Meissner and Hughes. But honestly Czisny herself medalled / won her GP events with like 4ish triples, and she had no real international success yet up to that point.
And Yuka actually gave the most complete performance out of all 3 who beat her for gold at Worlds. She did 6 triples instead of 5 for Oksana and Lulu, had much better spins and actual footwork.
Having said that, I would probably have given the title to her in 1993, but drop her off the podium in 1995.
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I have a real soft spot for Bonaly's 1995 Worlds LP though.
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I think she was crying because people considered post-Olympics Worlds as consolation price.
She should have won in 1993. And then she skated a perfect SP at the Olyhmpics but fell in the LP and finished in 4th. So, I imagine a lot of people saying to her : "1994 Worlds is yours".
She made mistakes, she didn't skate as well as she could have, it's all her fault. Too bad.
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Why people have to rationalize & minimize things this way like that I'll never understand (like she should not be disgruntled that much because this time she was ''robbed'' the least according to know-it-allls!). Maybe this event coincided with her irritable mood that she experienced for few days prior or some trivial off-ice incident took place, it can be something mundane and cosmic at the same time. There are human beings that are more susceptible, you can add Surya's mother pecularity into equation and you have even more. Lol I paradoxicallt basically did the opposite of what I am objecting to but you get my clue.
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Thread drift alert! 
Re: surya in 94. I think 3 thigs may have been in play:
1. I think like the judges the skaters also have a pre-determined ranking in their heads should everyone skate well(ish). I think Irina said something to the effect that she was emotionally prepared for the possibility of losing SLC to Kwan, but when she heard she’s lost to Hughes she was like “what!?!” Surya and Oksana has been fairly competitive over 2 years and with the 3 women who had bested her previous out, she was confidenct on a win should she skate well(ish). Yuka had never iirc beaten her previously and I do t think she had mentally prepared herself for the possibility.
2. I feel like she’s indicated she did feel wuz robbed in 93 but I think it’s easier the first time because you can think “next time I’ll show them” vs “what? again!” Plus she had the perhaps eclipsing feeling of medaling for first time and setting herself up as a contender for ogm. By 95 she was almost lucky to take silver after that sp and is rumored to have thanked Kwan for helping it happen. Plus having received such backlash for daring to be honest in 94, she probably was swallowing her feelings as best she could.
3. I suspect her plan/wish may have been to win worlds in 94 and turn pro. I know she struggled with injuries and maybe it was just that plus the growing feeling that she was disliked by judges, but it really seemed like she stayed in for a world title or oly medal but in 95-98 she was just over it. Idk. But if coming second actually postponed your retirement 4 years, it’s an understandable upsetting prospect.
Re: surya in 94. I think 3 thigs may have been in play:
1. I think like the judges the skaters also have a pre-determined ranking in their heads should everyone skate well(ish). I think Irina said something to the effect that she was emotionally prepared for the possibility of losing SLC to Kwan, but when she heard she’s lost to Hughes she was like “what!?!” Surya and Oksana has been fairly competitive over 2 years and with the 3 women who had bested her previous out, she was confidenct on a win should she skate well(ish). Yuka had never iirc beaten her previously and I do t think she had mentally prepared herself for the possibility.
2. I feel like she’s indicated she did feel wuz robbed in 93 but I think it’s easier the first time because you can think “next time I’ll show them” vs “what? again!” Plus she had the perhaps eclipsing feeling of medaling for first time and setting herself up as a contender for ogm. By 95 she was almost lucky to take silver after that sp and is rumored to have thanked Kwan for helping it happen. Plus having received such backlash for daring to be honest in 94, she probably was swallowing her feelings as best she could.
3. I suspect her plan/wish may have been to win worlds in 94 and turn pro. I know she struggled with injuries and maybe it was just that plus the growing feeling that she was disliked by judges, but it really seemed like she stayed in for a world title or oly medal but in 95-98 she was just over it. Idk. But if coming second actually postponed your retirement 4 years, it’s an understandable upsetting prospect.
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I think it is because Yuka is not a big name at that point. The other 2 she lost to - Baiul and Chen were big names, and renowned for their artistry. Yuka wasn't really acclaimed for anything at that point besides great stroking and footwork. Add to that Worlds being in Japan and yes she was an easy target for the Bonaly's
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Surya really should have gone pro after the 95 season at the latest. The writing was already on the wall. There was just no way she was going to hang on to medal in 98, and the world title was very unlikely to happen in the future. The 95 field looked to be full of up and comers, in hindsight I am surprised iit wasnt a much deeper field for the 98 Olympics than it ended up being. I feel sad for her she missed out on the height of the pro boom for essentially 3 seasons of mad struggle and a greatly diminished stature.
I would have predicted after 95, Slutskaya would probably take Surya's European title in just a year or two should she stay in (turned out to be only 1).
I would have predicted after 95, Slutskaya would probably take Surya's European title in just a year or two should she stay in (turned out to be only 1).
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Didn't Surya want to go pro, make some money, and reinstate in time for the 1995-1996 season as was allowed but the French Federation didn't let her do it and forced her to stay.
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They threatened her with not letting her come back. I think she wanted to take a break and return for Nagano. I don't think they could have ever stopped her going pro though.
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Surya's SP in Nagano was fab!
https://youtu.be/mbhKlV_29ww Feed
https://youtu.be/WeMqHBZdfCM Eurosport
https://youtu.be/mbhKlV_29ww Feed
https://youtu.be/WeMqHBZdfCM Eurosport
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IIRC, it was more a deal between TF1 (a french channel) and french Fed. They paid a lot of money to have Figure Skating rights on french TV (from 1995 to 1999, right after Kerrigan-Harding story), as long as Surya Bonaly and Philippe Candeloro stay amateur skaters.
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is there a step I’m missing here? TF1 gives French fed $$. And how much of that $$ did Surya and Philippe get for staying 4 years longer than they wanted?
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I don't know, I was young at that time. I just remember it was said TF1 wanted Surya and Philippe to stay amateur because they paid a lot to have TV rights.
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yes, the comeback stories of Surya and lulu in Nagano were great and the fact that they both made themselves hot topics at those games is a testament to their star power considering how they’d basically been eclipsed by the Americans and Russians during that quad.
Thread drift alert!
Re: surya in 94. I think 3 thigs may have been in play:
1. I think like the judges the skaters also have a pre-determined ranking in their heads should everyone skate well(ish). I think Irina said something to the effect that she was emotionally prepared for the possibility of losing SLC to Kwan, but when she heard she’s lost to Hughes she was like “what!?!” Surya and Oksana has been fairly competitive over 2 years and with the 3 women who had bested her previous out, she was confidenct on a win should she skate well(ish). Yuka had never iirc beaten her previously and I do t think she had mentally prepared herself for the possibility.
2. I feel like she’s indicated she did feel wuz robbed in 93 but I think it’s easier the first time because you can think “next time I’ll show them” vs “what? again!” Plus she had the perhaps eclipsing feeling of medaling for first time and setting herself up as a contender for ogm. By 95 she was almost lucky to take silver after that sp and is rumored to have thanked Kwan for helping it happen. Plus having received such backlash for daring to be honest in 94, she probably was swallowing her feelings as best she could.
3. I suspect her plan/wish may have been to win worlds in 94 and turn pro. I know she struggled with injuries and maybe it was just that plus the growing feeling that she was disliked by judges, but it really seemed like she stayed in for a world title or oly medal but in 95-98 she was just over it. Idk. But if coming second actually postponed your retirement 4 years, it’s an understandable upsetting prospect.
Well, Surya headed into 94 Worlds as top seed, being 93 Worlds silver medalist and 94 Olympics 4th place finisher - and those who finished ahead of her weren't there. Perhaps her own expectation was too high.
Yuka did beat Surya by a few places at 92 Worlds without lutzes and flips so it's not like Surya was totally dominant over Yuka up til that point. And Yuka skated very well at 94 Olympics with lutz and flip just weeks prior to 94 Worlds and missed out on the medals / placing behind Surya simply because of a missed short program. So by 94 Worlds Yuka was a reasonable competitor for Surya.
Back at 93 Worlds, Baiul was not a big name at all. She might have come 2nd at 93 Euros, but she didn't even go to 92 Olympics and Worlds.
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No, but Bauil brought a lot of attention to herself at 1993 Euros when she burst out onto the seen with the best SP of her career prefaced with Tonya Harding like antics.
https://youtu.be/fqVcHhIC0pk
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I don't know what the rules actually said back then, but thank goodness they changed it and made it clear that a skater no longer gets to start the whole program again. BTW, the size of that crowd looked like 4CC in Taipei.
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IMHO she absolutely was a big name. The hype machine on her after Europeans was already insanely high I recall at the time. Maybe she didn't merit being a big name, but she was.
I am 100% sure Sato wins atleast the bronze in Lillehammer, if not possibly higher, if she didn't mess up the short program and skated the same long program. Heck had she made the final flight over Witt even with her exact same short program, in 6th place, which she would have under OBO as 5 of the 9 judges actualy placed her over Witt, I am atleast 95% sure the judges now place her 3rd in the LP over Chen with the exact same skate and she medals.
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What rules were altered subsequently and how would she have been eligible in a subsequent Olympics?
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I could be mistaken but I was pretty sure Julia in 2014 was younger birth wise than Mao in 2006 would have been. If I am mistaken I take back some of my previous comments, and as a huge Mao fan I feel better about her missing the 2006 Olympics if she atleast would have missed the last 3 as well. If 2006 was the only one she would have missed that is terrible though.
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Lipnitskaya was born June 5, 1998 i.e. before the July 1 deadline. Mao’s date of birth is September 25, 1990, after the July 1 deadline, which is the same one that has always been in place. These are not hard things to google.
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